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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-mark-hyman/depression-medication-why_b_550098.html
I've read this before but this article really spells it out in a way we can understand and points out how obvious this truth really is.
Think twice before putting that crap into your body, depression can usually be treated in other ways and is usually an indication of some underlying issue like nutritional deficiencies.. but people and doctors want some magic pill to cure all when in fact this pill is as good as a placebo in clinical trials. The Pharma industry does not want you to realize this.
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This is why I left the field of mental health 36 years ago. There is no desire to do anythig but medicate and those that wish to do other things are just as unregulated. Money and politics warps science.
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Antidepressants work for a lot of people.
It's ignorant to say otherwise.
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paulg_68 posted:
Antidepressants work for a lot of people.
It's ignorant to say otherwise.
So do placebos, it's ignorant to be ignorant
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We can see who is on the drugs based on the responses..
Must suck to be a naive guinea pig.
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Placebos will cure pain too. That doesn't prove that Tylenol doesn't work.
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it doesnt prove that tylenol does work either
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Placebos only help where the problem isnt rel.
We are overmedicated in general..meaning many people are treated when they dont need to be.
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a majority of the problems arent real.
ADD
obesity
alcoholism
there is no magic cure for obesity. theres no drug thats going to prevent or reverse it.
the cure for obesity is the same as the cure for alcoholism.
just like a chiropractor cant cure lazy posture and the back pain it causes.
the majority of people want to believe that they are perfect and merely affected by demons that modern medicine can drive out with a magic pill.
fibromyalgea... everybody hurts. stop sleeping on your arm or sitting on your legs that way, etc...
or better yet, lets prescribe magic pills to prevent peoples bad habits.
this is the american way
and we push this idea through media.
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Placebos only help where the problem isnt rel.
100% false.
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this thread gets tom cruise's seal of approval.
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It's easy to say what doesn't work for other people if you've never dealt with it yourself.
The fact is that antidepressants do work for many people and can/do significantly change their quality of life for the better. Proper nutrition, vitamins and minerals can indeed improve some issues but they won't work for the chemical imbalance that is at the root of many kinds of depression.
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Coriolus posted:
depression can usually be treated in other ways and is usually an indication of some underlying issue like nutritional deficiencies.
And so you agree that in some cases medication is necessary to treat depression. Thanks for that.
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Coriolus posted:
depression can usually be treated in other ways and is usually an indication of some underlying issue like nutritional deficiencies.
And so you agree that in some cases medication is necessary to treat depression. Thanks for that.
and in rare cases, a chiropractor can fix lazy posture and back aches associated with it.
but usually people just need to stand up on their own
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Eager_Igraine posted:
Coriolus posted:
depression can usually be treated in other ways and is usually an indication of some underlying issue like nutritional deficiencies.
And so you agree that in some cases medication is necessary to treat depression. Thanks for that.
Well I'm not sure based on what I have read on this subject that I am saying that. I am simply saying that basically there are other reasons for the depressive symptoms that can be addressed by other means than medication.
and you're welcome.
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Placebos only help where the problem isnt rel.
100% false.
No proof.. They only work in case studies that require the patient to say how they feel. They dont reduce the size of a tumor or make a cough stop or make you stop bleeding, etc...
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It's easy to say what doesn't work for other people if you've never dealt with it yourself.
The fact is that antidepressants do work for many people and can/do significantly change their quality of life for the better.
So do placebos.
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-effect-a-cure-in-the-mind
No. Placebos work. Not always, but then neither do "real" medicines.
You're just wrong. And even if you were right, it's a stupid point. If someone feels less pain the placebo worked. Arguing pain isn't "real" is beyond reatrded.
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Good luck curing your AIDS with placebos. 
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=placebo-effect-a-cure-in-the-mind
No. Placebos work. Not always, but then neither do "real" medicines.
You're just wrong. And even if you were right, it's a stupid point. If someone feels less pain the placebo worked. Arguing pain isn't "real" is beyond reatrded.
Lol.. So does everyone that says thy hear voices really hear voices? Picture a pink elephant flying.. Is it real?
Okay, so we agree somethings that people see, hear and feel are completely figments of the imagination conjured up by the mind.
That said, some pain is not real. Some pain is imagined while some is physical or chemical.
Placebos work on the imagined pain not on real physical or chemically induced pains.
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It's been proven that exercise works better than taking anti-depressants.
I have to side with the leaf eater on this one.
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eodoll posted:
Placebos work on the imagined pain not on real physical or chemically induced pains.
You're just wrong and your whole point just reveals you understand nothing at all about how the body works.
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Coriolus posted:
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It's easy to say what doesn't work for other people if you've never dealt with it yourself.
The fact is that antidepressants do work for many people and can/do significantly change their quality of life for the better.
So do placebos.
I suppose the only relevant question as far as your opinion on antidepressants and depression goes would be whether or not you suffer from clinical depression now or in the past?
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It's been proven that exercise works better than taking anti-depressants.
I have to side with the leaf eater on this one.
So it's been proven that you can just jog off Major Depressive Disorder?
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Excellent article:
"This isn't just a problem with antidepressants. It's a problem with scientific research. Some drug companies even pay or threaten scientists to not publish negative results on their drugs. So much for "evidence-based" medicine!"...
"The scientific trust is broken. What can we do? Unfortunately, there is no easy answer. But I do think functional medicine, on which my approach of UltraWellness is based, provides a more intelligent way of understanding the research. Rather than using drugs to suppress symptoms, Functional Medicine helps us find the true causes of problems, including depression."
Fix the causes of sickness -- and the depression takes care of itself...
The real cure lies in rebalancing the underlying systems in your body that are at the root of all healthy and illness.
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No youre wrong. They have never shown a person with a pinched nerve ger relief from a placebo.
Depression and pain are interpreted in the same part of the brain. If someone hurts your feelings and you get a tummy ache.. Is your stomach pain real or is it all in the mind? Its in the mind, your body is just confused. Mentally rooted pain can be fixed by a placebo.
Real pain due to physical trauma or chemical imbalance cant be fixed by a placebo.. You need to repair the imbalance ir correct the trauma.
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Coriolus posted:
depression ... is usually an indication of some underlying issue like nutritional deficiencies.
sweeny_comodore posted:
a majority of the problems arent real.
Stupid +
eodoll posted:
That said, some pain is not real. Some pain is imagined while some is physical or chemical.
Placebos work on the imagined pain not on real physical or chemically induced pains.
If a person feels it, it's real. Choose a better word, perhaps - mentally induced pain. And placebos have improved physical ailments. The power of the mind doesn't only work on mental pain.
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Well I'm not sure based on what I have read on this subject that I am saying that. I am simply saying that basically there are other reasons for the depressive symptoms that can be addressed by other means than medication.
and you're welcome.
When you say depression can usually be treated in ways other than medication, what you are also saying is that some times depression can only be treated by medication. Which I totally agree with.
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That said, some pain is not real. Some pain is imagined while some is physical or chemical.
Placebos work on the imagined pain not on real physical or chemically induced pains.
If a person feels it, it's real. Choose a better word, perhaps - mentally induced pain. And placebos have improved physical ailments. The power of the mind doesn't only work on mental pain.
Imagined is all about mental.. we can say mentally induced if its more clear. Some physical symptoms like a limp come about because people think they have something wrong- placebos could work there. But if a person has a bone tumor then a placebo will not fix it.
The key part is.. Is your problem real or imagined. And if its imagined a hug or pryer or sugar pill might work. If its rel then you got to to get real treatment, a placebo will not help..
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There is no mind-body division the way you are making out. Believing you are going to recover has a huge effect on your ability to recover from all sorts of serious illnesses.
Your worldview is simplistic and unsupported by real scientific evidence.
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Haha tell that to all the people with a good attitude that still died from cancer.
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Your worldview is simplistic and unsupported by real scientific evidence.
Eodell posted:
Not every person who thinks they're going to get better does get better! Therefore you are wrong!
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Walk into a hospital and tell them all its in their mind!!! Gee, thatll make them feel better.
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Your worldview is simplistic and unsupported by real scientific evidence.
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Placebos don't always cure you no matter what! Therefore it has no impact at all!
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I said they do work.. If its not real. Reading comprehension ftw!!!
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Alcohol doesn't get you drunk. Placebo effect all the way.
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Your worldview is simplistic and unsupported by real scientific evidence.
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I said they do work.. If its not real.
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The alcohol is a good example, some people get drunk when they think they drank alcohol.
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Placebos have a clearly demonstrated scientific effect, not merely on "mental" maladies but things like cancer as well.
Desire to recover effects your ability to recover. Belief you will recover effects your ability to recover. Obviously not everyone who believes they will recover will. But it has clearly demonstrated scientific effects.
The body is not divorced from the mind in the simplistic way you think. Someone who doesn't care if they die and thinks they're going to die is less likely to recover from cancer than someone who wants to live and believes they will live.
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you're proving to be a moron on this subject, eodoll.
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There is no mind-body division the way you are making out. Believing you are going to recover has a huge effect on your ability to recover from all sorts of serious illnesses.
Your worldview is simplistic and unsupported by real scientific evidence.
Not really. Placebos aren't really better than no treatment at all.
Hröbjartsson A, Gotzsche PC: Is the placebo powerless? An analysis of clinical trials comparing placebo with no treatment. N Engl J Med, 344, 1594-1602, 2001
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The mind has a large, but not absolute effect on recovery from an illness. Feelings and strong beliefs (including the feeling and belief that a pill will help even if it turns out afterwards it was just a placebo) in recovery can cause the brain to release certain endorphins that support the natural healing process. In some cases that is enough, in others it is not. That is from what I know how placebos can heal and how prayer and belief can help the body to battle a serious condition.
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Placebos have been shown to work as much as praying has been shown to work. It helps thaings that are not real. Some sicknesses need help from a lot f fronts, attitude is one and if the placebo helps thte attitude - fine. But real treatment should be administered.
Steve jobs refgretted putting off real treatment for so long.
Some studies suggest eating healthy makes cancer worse - feeding the cancer. So there is a lot we dont know. A good attitude while your body is having out of control cell growth might make the growing even worse.
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There is no mind-body division the way you are making out. Believing you are going to recover has a huge effect on your ability to recover from all sorts of serious illnesses.
This is where i was going as well, with what i said.
Believing, positive attitude, and mental strength aid in recovery and cure.
There was an article in Discover Magazine a few years back, they did an experiment with people with upper respiratory infections.
There were 3 groups. One group was told to go home and get plenty of rest and it should clear up in about a week. Another group was given antibiotics. A third group was given a placebo.
The 'resting' group took almost twice as long to recover, but the placebo group recovered almost as quickly as the antibiotic group.
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I wouldn't call the release of endorphins in the brain that support the immune system "not real" though
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I wouldn't call the release of endorphins in the brain that support the immune system "not real" though
My first response here was placebos are shown to work in feelings based studies..
Measure your pain on a scale of 1 to 10. Its hardly a scientific way to maesure something.
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There are ways to measure pain. The pain threshold of a person being relative doesn't make it any less real
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It helps thaings that are not real.
That's just dumb and as long as you stick with it you'll continue to look dumb.
If you are trying to say placebos work better on subjective complaints that is true. But subjective complaints are not "fake" simply because they're subjective. All pain is subjective. Is pain not real?
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When you say depression can usually be treated in ways other than medication, what you are also saying is that some times depression can only be treated by medication. Which I totally agree with.
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The notion that alcoholism isn't real is similarly retarded.
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Here is my impression of an outposter who goes to see their doctor aftwer reading this article:
Outposter: "Hi I am pretty sure anti-depressants aren't working so I would like to try a placebo"
MD: "  "
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Alcohol doesn't get you drunk. Placebo effect all the way.
Tell that to the North American Natives..
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Real as in based on real ailment or imagined ailment. Real aiment includes physical trauma or chemical imbalance, imagined is anything in the mind. That doesnt mean you dont feel real pain but the fix for a purely memtal problem can be fixed by a placebo while a real trauma cant be.
Most problems are mind based, we are overmedicated.
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When you say depression can usually be treated in ways other than medication, what you are also saying is that some times depression can only be treated by medication. Which I totally agree with.
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No I'm not and not it doesn't
The key is your use of the word "usually". you imply with it that there are times you see as unusual where it can't be treated in ways other than medication. Conclusion: there are times when medication is the only thing that helps
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Coriolus posted:
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When you say depression can usually be treated in ways other than medication, what you are also saying is that some times depression can only be treated by medication. Which I totally agree with.
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No I'm not and not it doesn't
The key is your use of the word "usually". you imply with it that there are times you see as unusual where it can't be treated in ways other than medication. Conclusion: there are times when medication is the only thing that helps
I'm familiar with the nuances of 'usually', thx, but you are implying I meant that and I am telling you I didn't.
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depression ... is usually an indication of some underlying issue like nutritional deficiencies.
sweeny_comodore posted:
a majority of the problems arent real.
Stupid +
eodoll posted:
That said, some pain is not real. Some pain is imagined while some is physical or chemical.
Placebos work on the imagined pain not on real physical or chemically induced pains.
If a person feels it, it's real. Choose a better word, perhaps - mentally induced pain. And placebos have improved physical ailments. The power of the mind doesn't only work on mental pain.
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fybromyalgia is "real pain".
its the pains you have when you climb out of in the morning after sleeping wrong.
or in your knees from walking incorrectly. etc...
do drugs treat this? or better posture and proper shoes
are drugs ever going to be able to fix the problem? or placebos?
make up a condition and invent drugs to "cure" it instead of trying to understand the reality of it.
ADD is "real" enough.
rather than telling parents to discipline their kids we invent a "condition" with its own slew of drugs to "treat" it.
the entire point of this article was that drugging people is almost never the answer for their ailments.
and its morons like you who think that because someone "feels wrong" drugs must be a correct response.
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You can't divide things that way. It doesn't make any sense.
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the entire point of this article was that drugging people is almost never the answer for their ailments.
and its morons like you who think that because someone "feels wrong" drugs must be a correct response.
And the entire point of the rebuttal is that you're wrong, sometimes drugs are the best course, sometimes other treatments are better, and sometimes it's a combination of things. And, a positive mental state will help any of those courses.
It's morons like you that can't grasp that when someone says youre wrong it doesn't mean they're arguing the exact oppposite must be the only truth.
The rest of your post is just  . ADHD, for example, might be overdiagnosed but it does exist, and for some (not all, probably not even most) drugs will help.
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Alcoholism is a thinly veiled excuse to beat your spouse.
What if she mocked you and your alcoholism? Is that a good excuse?
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the entire point of this article was that drugging people is almost never the answer for their ailments.
and its morons like you who think that because someone "feels wrong" drugs must be a correct response.
And the entire point of the rebuttal is that you're wrong, sometimes drugs are the best course, sometimes other treatments are better, and sometimes it's a combination of things. And, a positive mental state will help any of those courses.
It's morons like you that can't grasp that when someone says youre wrong it doesn't mean they're arguing the exact oppposite must be the only truth.
The rest of your post is just . ADHD, for example, might be overdiagnosed but it does exist, and for some (not all, probably not even most) drugs will help.
so the take away is that you cant read?
ADHD only exists as an excuse for parents to not discipline their children.
thats a perfect example of invented disorders so people can feel better about their own failures.
in a majority of cases there are other reasons for ailments aside from "chemical imbalance". or theres a natural cause for the "chemical imbalance".
admitting it would be like a chyropractor admitting that all they do is alleviate symptoms of bad posture and worn out shoes.
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Alcoholism is a thinly veiled excuse to beat your spouse.
What if she mocked you and your alcoholism? Is that a good excuse?
I don't drink I enjoy reality.
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Alcoholism is a thinly veiled excuse to beat your spouse.
What if she mocked you and your alcoholism? Is that a good excuse?
I don't drink I enjoy reality.
What if she mocked your subjective reality?
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What I took medicine which helped me to sleep. That helped a lot
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[quote=Thugoneous]Alcoholism is a thinly veiled excuse to beat your spouse.
What if she mocked you and your alcoholism? Is that a good excuse?
I don't drink I enjoy reality.
What if she mocked your subjective reality?[/quote]
I would jerk off on her pillow.
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I would jerk off on her pillow.
That's abuse
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Psychiatrists and psychologists have much different training. The result is that a high end psychologist has a lot more training in addressing mental health issues in ways that don’t involve popping a pill. In some ways that are even better suited to determine if therapy or a pill is the best option.
Meanwhile we have GPs prescribing antidepressants.
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I think medication really helped me. I didnt take a huge dose but it seemed to help
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so the take away is that you cant read?
ADHD only exists as an excuse for parents to not discipline their children.
thats a perfect example of invented disorders so people can feel better about their own failures.
in a majority of cases there are other reasons for ailments aside from "chemical imbalance". or theres a natural cause for the "chemical imbalance".
admitting it would be like a chyropractor admitting that all they do is alleviate symptoms of bad posture and worn out shoes.
My brother was diagnosed with ADHD years before it was all the 'hype' that it is now and I can assure you it was not due to lack of discipline from our parents.
To assume that it's an "invented" disorder for lazy parents is a grossly ignorant statement.
When he actually took the medication that prescribed him there was a noticeable difference in his behavior, enough that at 10 years old I could see it.
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so the take away is that you cant read?
ADHD only exists as an excuse for parents to not discipline their children.
thats a perfect example of invented disorders so people can feel better about their own failures.
in a majority of cases there are other reasons for ailments aside from "chemical imbalance". or theres a natural cause for the "chemical imbalance".
admitting it would be like a chyropractor admitting that all they do is alleviate symptoms of bad posture and worn out shoes.
My brother was diagnosed with ADHD years before it was all the 'hype' that it is now and I can assure you it was not due to lack of discipline from our parents.
To assume that it's an "invented" disorder for lazy parents is a grossly ignorant statement.
When he actually took the medication that prescribed him there was a noticeable difference in his behavior, enough that at 10 years old I could see it.
taking a drug altered his personality?
no way!
i dont believe you
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So in other words, your argument that drugs don't work fell flat so you are resorting to sarcasm to hide your obvious failure...
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Psychiatrists and psychologists have much different training. The result is that a high end psychologist has a lot more training in addressing mental health issues in ways that don’t involve popping a pill. In some ways that are even better suited to determine if therapy or a pill is the best option.
Meanwhile we have GPs prescribing antidepressants.
This is a major part of the problem. Everyone defaults to using drugs as an answer.
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i think you are misusing the term "work"
drugs do something.
as much acid as ive done im here to tell you that adding foreign chemicals to the body can have all kinds of effects.
thats not the issue here.
the issue here is that youre not "fixing" anything but adding foreign chemicals into the mix. your masking or covering problems.
ADHD is an invented "disorder" to give an easy way out. instead of finding out how to calm the kid down or keep his interest, he gets sedated. its easier that way.
again, a chiropractor can not "fix" back problems caused by your dumbasses lazy posture and bad choice of shoes.
and drugs dont "fix" problems caused by bad parenting or lazyness
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Drugs in many cases are needed. In some cases they clearly arnt. Get a second opinion. I needed drugs and my brother still needs them.
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Drugs in many cases are needed. In some cases they clearly arnt. Get a second opinion. I needed drugs and my brother still needs them.
thats what a heroin addict says
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sweeny_comodore posted:
i think you are misusing the term "work"
drugs do something.
as much acid as ive done im here to tell you that adding foreign chemicals to the body can have all kinds of effects.
thats not the issue here.
the issue here is that youre not "fixing" anything but adding foreign chemicals into the mix. your masking or covering problems.
ADHD is an invented "disorder" to give an easy way out. instead of finding out how to calm the kid down or keep his interest, he gets sedated. its easier that way.
again, a chiropractor can not "fix" back problems caused by your dumbasses lazy posture and bad choice of shoes.
and drugs dont "fix" problems caused by bad parenting or lazyness
Again your ignorance shines through.
Go back to doing acid, it's obviously messed you up past the point of no return so might as well continue.
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and you continue to make excuses for bad parenting
its parents like your who led to the overwhelming epidemic of ritalin kids.
sedating children so they behave in a manor you like is never an answer for anything.
i think its you who need to confront your parents and tell them what failures they are
then sit back and reflect on your own failure as a brother
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DemonicXH posted:
sweeny_comodore posted:
i think you are misusing the term "work"
drugs do something.
as much acid as ive done im here to tell you that adding foreign chemicals to the body can have all kinds of effects.
thats not the issue here.
the issue here is that youre not "fixing" anything but adding foreign chemicals into the mix. your masking or covering problems.
ADHD is an invented "disorder" to give an easy way out. instead of finding out how to calm the kid down or keep his interest, he gets sedated. its easier that way.
again, a chiropractor can not "fix" back problems caused by your dumbasses lazy posture and bad choice of shoes.
and drugs dont "fix" problems caused by bad parenting or lazyness
Again your ignorance shines through.
Go back to doing acid, it's obviously messed you up past the point of no return so might as well continue.
Don't mind Swirly, he often has comprehension problems that prevent him from making cogent posts on given topics.
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Depression has always been best overcome in my personal experience through talking to someone, working out, eating healthy and trying to get back to my old schedule and routine
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
Perhaps the next civil rights will be crazy people. The liberals are running out of people to march for. Getting a new group on board will be a big boon to their election chances. I keep waiting for the court ruling that gives minorties the right to vote twice; to make up for not being able to vote 50 years ago.
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Kjarhall posted:
Fist_de_Yuma posted:
Perhaps the next civil rights will be crazy people. The liberals are running out of people to march for. Getting a new group on board will be a big boon to their election chances. I keep waiting for the court ruling that gives minorties the right to vote twice; to make up for not being able to vote 50 years ago.
And out of left field comes Fist and some totally unrelated stupid! The crowd goes wild!
Very liberal response. Attacking the person is the liberal response to an issue they cannot attack truthfully.
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This thread got much better once Fisted Puma started contributing his humor to it. 
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sweeny_comodore posted:
and you continue to make excuses for bad parenting
its parents like your who led to the overwhelming epidemic of ritalin kids.
sedating children so they behave in a manor you like is never an answer for anything.
i think its you who need to confront your parents and tell them what failures they are
then sit back and reflect on your own failure as a brother
Now ad hominem attacks.
You honestly shouldn't jump into discussions if you are going to resort to name calling when your argument has shown to have holes in it.
I'll go and make sure and tell my parents that some ignorant, no name troll said that their parenting techniques were sub par to yours and that I failed as a brother because he was born with a disorder. Meanwhile you can do us all a favor and volunteer for a lobotomy, the thought of having to share the same breathing air as you makes me lose faith in the human race.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
Kjarhall posted:
Fist_de_Yuma posted:
Perhaps the next civil rights will be crazy people. The liberals are running out of people to march for. Getting a new group on board will be a big boon to their election chances. I keep waiting for the court ruling that gives minorties the right to vote twice; to make up for not being able to vote 50 years ago.
And out of left field comes Fist and some totally unrelated stupid! The crowd goes wild!
Very liberal response. Attacking the person is the liberal response to an issue they cannot attack truthfully.
So you're a liberal? Or is that too far over your head to understand?
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Kjarhall posted:
Don't mind Swirly, he often has comprehension problems that prevent him from making cogent posts on given topics.
I'll keep that in mind, thanks for the heads up.
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DemonicXH posted:
sweeny_comodore posted:
and you continue to make excuses for bad parenting
its parents like your who led to the overwhelming epidemic of ritalin kids.
sedating children so they behave in a manor you like is never an answer for anything.
i think its you who need to confront your parents and tell them what failures they are
then sit back and reflect on your own failure as a brother
Now ad hominem attacks.
You honestly shouldn't jump into discussions if you are going to resort to name calling when your argument has shown to have holes in it.
I'll go and make sure and tell my parents that some ignorant, no name troll said that their parenting techniques were sub par to yours and that I failed as a brother because he was born with a disorder. Meanwhile you can do us all a favor and volunteer for a lobotomy, the thought of having to share the same breathing air as you makes me lose faith in the human race.
Kudos! You learn fast!
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I had good parenting!
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
Perhaps the next civil rights will be crazy people. The liberals are running out of people to march for. Getting a new group on board will be a big boon to their election chances. I keep waiting for the court ruling that gives minorties the right to vote twice; to make up for not being able to vote 50 years ago.
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I had good parenting!
And probably some unneeded medication. 
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Why does Fisted Puma hate the mentally ill? Its not their fault they are mentally ill and there are many really mentally ill people in the US. My brother is one of them
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I've never really been able to wrap my mind around psychiatry. I know at a basic level our decisions and choices are hard coded responses to certain events, but I still FEEL like everyone can choose to do the smart thing. Intellectually I know it's not true and failing to do the best thing or think the best thing consistently is just as much a sickness as cells not dividing right or whatever, but my gut reaction is to always think people are wusses.
I think that a lot of them are though, so that's probably why.
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I've never really been able to wrap my mind around psychiatry. I know at a basic level our decisions and choices are hard coded responses to certain events, but I still FEEL like everyone can choose to do the smart thing. Intellectually I know it's not true and failing to do the best thing or think the best thing consistently is just as much a sickness as cells not dividing right or whatever, but my gut reaction is to always think people are wusses.
I think that a lot of them are though, so that's probably why.
This is my belief too. A nice percentage of the medicated just need to grow a pair. Not all, Not most, but A Lot just got away with crap all their lives and that led them to a weird place. Add medication and yep you get a messed up human. Begin at an early age and good luck. Everyone praises genetic information, but environment and behaviorism are still in the mix. Trained medi-caterers are cheaper, quicker, and pushers of samples. That too is fine for a large percentage of the people, but certainly not all.
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GrilledCheez posted:
I've never really been able to wrap my mind around psychiatry. I know at a basic level our decisions and choices are hard coded responses to certain events, but I still FEEL like everyone can choose to do the smart thing. Intellectually I know it's not true and failing to do the best thing or think the best thing consistently is just as much a sickness as cells not dividing right or whatever, but my gut reaction is to always think people are wusses.
I think that a lot of them are though, so that's probably why.
I see what you did there.
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I agree that we as a society are over medicated. Every other person at my job is taking Xanax. It boggles my mind. I think that a lot of issues can be treated by taking care of ourselves physically. So many people do not workout or choose to partake in healthy activities that will improve their minds/weight/health/etc.
However, I do believe that there are people who have chemical imbalances that do need medication. But I bet some of that could also be reduced if they adhered to a lifestyle change too (if they hadn't already.)
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