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His disdain for America and the justice system is clear!!!
http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2012/01/25/obama-ignore-order-atlanta-court/
President Obama will ignore an order by an Atlanta judge to appear in court Thursday for a hearing in a case challenging his qualifications under the Constitution to be president.
According to the White House, Obama will continue with his current trip out West, starting the day in Las Vegas and then continuing on to Buckley Air Force Base in Aurora, Colorado before heading to Detroit where he will spend the night.
The Associated Press reported last week that the judge had denied a motion to quash a subpoena for the president to show up for the hearing, which is scheduled for 9 am ET. Obama may still be sleeping – it will only be 6 am in Las Vegas.
The case centers on whether Obama, whose father was Kenyan, qualifies as a “natural born citizen,†as required of a president under the Constitution. Some contend that “natural born citizen†means both of a presidential candidate’s parents must be U.S. citizens.
The Atlanta lawsuit would deny Obama the right to participate in the March 6 Georgia Democratic primary, though backers of the suit clearly hope to establish a precedent that would help make a national issue over whether Obama can serve as president.
A letter apparently sent by Obama attorney Michael Jablonski Wednesday to Georgia Secretary of State Brian Kemp asks Kemp to “bring an end to this baseless, costly and unproductive hearing by withdrawing the original hearing request as improvidently issued.â€
Jablonski states that while waiting for Kemp to do as requested, “we will, of course, suspend further participation in these proceedings, including the hearing scheduled for January 26.â€
A letter that appears to be from Kemp to Jablonski rejects the demand and holds out the threat of punitive action should Obama and his attorneys withdraw from the proceedings.
“To the extent a request to withdraw the case referral is procedurally available, I do not believe such a request would be judicious given the hearing is set for tomorrow morning,†the Kemp letter states. “Anything you and your client place in the record in response to the challenge will be beneficial to my review of the initial decision; however, if you and your client choose to suspend your participation in the OSAH proceedings, please understand that you do so at your own peril.â€
I possess copies of both the Jablonski and Kemp letters, and I have little doubt that both are genuine, but I have not as of late this evening been able to contact officials to absolutely confirm their authenticity.
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The case centers on whether Obama, whose father was Kenyan, qualifies as a “natural born citizen,†as required of a president under the Constitution. Some contend that “natural born citizen†means both of a presidential candidate’s parents must be U.S. citizens.
I honestly don't see why he personally has to be there for them to figure this out. Much a do about nothing.
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Is he above the law? I guess we will soon find out.
The asshool has time for 90 rounds of golf, so you'd think he could make it to court for a day or two.
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Of course he thinks he is above the law, autocratic elitist scumbags always think they are above the law.
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Of course he thinks this is a frivolous bunch of arglebargle. I wouldn't show up either.
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PotUS isn't subject to every day court orders, a very high standard has to be met to override executive privilege. This is a good thing if you think about, but since you are RWN I don't have much hope.
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Of course Obama is a natural-born citizen. This was never even contemplated during his election. The birthers are still butthurt about the original birth certificate being released and are resorting to a frivolous legal "gotcha" to try to get him into court. These dumbasses know they don't have a case. The precedent they're citing actually states within the opinion that defining what is or isn't a "natural born citizen" was beyond the scope of the case.
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The precedent they're citing actually states within the opinion that defining what is or isn't a "natural born citizen" was beyond the scope of the case.
And outside the scope of Obama's authority.
He has no business being involved in defining or redefining or interpreting the phrase 'Natural Born Citizen'.
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So then it's agreed we can just ignore the justice system on things we don't agree with.
Let's adjourn!
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So then it's agreed we can just ignore the justice system on things we don't agree with.
Let's adjourn!
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Its funny the RWNs didn't care about the constitution when GW Bush and Chaney literally without twisting the constitution at all were not the winners of the 2001 election(they were both living in Texas and could not legally receive the the electoral votes from Texas) but now they want to twist the constitution for their own(bigoted) purposes.There have been 5 presidents before Obama that had one immigrant parent and one whose both parents were immigrants,this is not a real issue.
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It funny GW Bush and Chaney literally without twisting the constitution at all were not the winners of the 2001 election(they were both living in Texas and could not legally receive the the electoral votes from Texas) but now they want to twist the constitution for their own(bigoted) purposes.There have been 5 presidents before Obama that had one immigrant parent and one whose both parents were immigrants,this is not a real issue.
Hey - Cheney changed his state of residence to Montana.
True not in time for the Texas votes, so they shouldn't have been on the ballot, shouldn't have counted and blah blah - but he did change his official state of residence!
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Of course he isn't going to show up. Who would full knowing his presidency is illegal. If it wasnt and he was innocent and a natural born citizen he wouldn't have a problem showing up to prove to the people he was legit. The only people that hide are those that have something to hide. Truth never has to hide.
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Of course he isn't going to show up. Who would full knowing his presidency is illegal. If it wasnt and he was innocent and a natural born citizen he wouldn't have a problem showing up to prove to the people he was legit. The only people that hide are those that have something to hide. Truth never has to hide.
Are you dumb...
The case is about the definition of a 'natural born citizen'... Why do you think Obama has to be there for a court to decide this?
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Mastara posted:
Of course he isn't going to show up. Who would full knowing his presidency is illegal. If it wasnt and he was innocent and a natural born citizen he wouldn't have a problem showing up to prove to the people he was legit. The only people that hide are those that have something to hide. Truth never has to hide.
Are you dumb...
The case is about the definition of a 'natural born citizen'... Why do you think Obama has to be there for a court to decide this?
Now you know how I feel when I read your stupid posts.
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Of course he isn't going to show up. Who would full knowing his presidency is illegal. If it wasnt and he was innocent and a natural born citizen he wouldn't have a problem showing up to prove to the people he was legit. The only people that hide are those that have something to hide. Truth never has to hide.
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
reesescups posted:
Mastara posted:
Of course he isn't going to show up. Who would full knowing his presidency is illegal. If it wasnt and he was innocent and a natural born citizen he wouldn't have a problem showing up to prove to the people he was legit. The only people that hide are those that have something to hide. Truth never has to hide.
Are you dumb...
The case is about the definition of a 'natural born citizen'... Why do you think Obama has to be there for a court to decide this?
Now you know how I feel when I read your stupid posts.
Since I never post anything stupid, I guess we don't have to worry or wonder what that feels like.
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Since I never post anything stupid, I guess we don't have to worry or wonder what that feels like.
I rest my case
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Of course he isn't going to show up. Who would full knowing his presidency is illegal. If it wasnt and he was innocent and a natural born citizen he wouldn't have a problem showing up to prove to the people he was legit. The only people that hide are those that have something to hide. Truth never has to hide.
Stupid.
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
reesescups posted:
Since I never post anything stupid, I guess we don't have to worry or wonder what that feels like.
I rest my case
Can't really compare Mastborobaptistmoron with Reeses..
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Doesn't he have some kind of limited immunity or something like that?
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Doesn't he have some kind of limited immunity or something like that?
No - we don't have that, we all have to suffer equally with the stupid Mastboro posts.
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I feel the same about most of the people who post here. I guess we can all suffer together. I find no issues with arguing with you so called "educated" people. You lack common sense with all the knowledge you think you have lol. Its hillarious.
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I don't see why he has to show up. If they're just fighting over the definition of "natural born citizen" there's no reason he needs to be there. It's just a civil suit. There's no reason to have the parties to a civil suit actually in the court room if they don't want to be except in very specific circumstances.
It sounds like a runaway partisan state court judge having delusions of grandeur.
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I feel the same about most of the people who post here. I guess we can all suffer together. I find no issues with arguing with you so called "educated" people. You lack common sense with all the knowledge you think you have lol. Its hillarious.
Can you give us any examples of this 'common sense' you speak of?
To me it's common sense that Obama shouldn't nor wouldn't appear before a court that is trying to redefine the definition of the phrase 'Natural Born Citizen'. Doubly more so because it isn't even with the authority of said court to define...
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Can't really compare Mastborobaptistmoron with Reeses..
It was a comparison of relationships.
HTH
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I don't see why he has to show up. If they're just fighting over the definition of "natural born citizen" there's no reason he needs to be there. It's just a civil suit. There's no reason to have the parties to a civil suit actually in the court room if they don't want to be except in very specific circumstances.
It sounds like a runaway partisan state court judge having delusions of grandeur.
The judge ordered him to appear in court. Either the judge has the authority to do that or he doesn't. Period. Which is still up for debate apparently? It shouldn't be so complicated but it's a shining testament to our laws and legal system I guess.
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Can't really compare Mastborobaptistmoron with Reeses..
It was a comparison of relationships.
HTH
Reese kicking Mastboro around is nothing like your relationship..
any 5 year old can outwit that retard, just face it you and reese are pretty evenly matched and in most cases you go to a draw.
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The right to ignore subpeonas under Executive Privilige has a long history in the United States.
As in George Washington invoked it. As did Jefferson.
It was upheld formally by SCOTUS in US v Nixon.
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The judge ordered him to appear in court. Either the judge has the authority to do that or he doesn't. Period.
No. Not period. The judge has the authority to order him to appear but as the president he also has the perogative to ignore the subpoena in most cases.
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I guess the best question here is not really about Obama but procedure.
If any of us were subpoena'd by a court in another state for the same reasons would we be compelled to appear?
If so then I'd say Obama should have to do so as well regardless of the merits of the case.
If not then there's nothing to worry about.
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The plaintiff wanted the court to subpoena Obama. The judge asked the defendant's lawyer, in this case a local member of the DNC, for reasons why Obama shouldn't have to appear. The local guy submitted a weak brief and the judge said...this isn't enough. Last I heard, the judge was waiting for a more comprehensive argument. My understanding is that a simple...given his schedule, it would be a major imposition asking him to appear on a civil matter that his lawyers can easily handle...would be a sufficient argument, as it is in numerous civil trials.
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amazing this case didnt get thrown out of court. Why waste taxpayer money on this stuff?
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