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Life is set up to unfairly reward liars, thieves, and cheats.
This has been known for thousands of years.
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Sometimes. We have laws to discourage such things. SEC and FBI to know a couple of agencies that look out for such things.
I think part of it is the value on the things they lie, steal, and cheat. A lot of people here support those three when it comes to downloading music, GC doesn't. Some will look the other way when you cheat on your wife. To others its a mortal sin.
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Life is set up to unfairly reward liars, thieves, and cheats.
I believe this to be true. yes, you can get by and perhaps get by very well just on hard work and principles. But the true rewards go to snake oil sales men...
Manipulation of the heart and mind pay off, tug on some emotion and a sale is not far off...
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Marketing and Advertising - these things make the world go round. Public relations, paid professional liars in high regard.
Why do we build up society around what we know is an illusion?
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reesescups posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Life is set up to unfairly reward liars, thieves, and cheats.
I believe this to be true. yes, you can get by and perhaps get by very well just on hard work and principles. But the true rewards go to snake oil sales men...
Manipulation of the heart and mind pay off, tug on some emotion and a sale is not far off...
I will add to my comments as a response to Tych's post.
Society is often built on the premise that it will fix this unfairness but any civilization is also prone to find new ways to make life unfair.
In the end there has never been a time when virtue didn't need to be its own reward.
Christianity is built upon this very concept. The Kingdom of Heaven is this place where virtue is equal to the reward.
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Yes.
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From the other thread:
"Re politics, one of the underlying reasons is the paucity of distinctions between our media and our political structure and those who inhabit it. In this regard we outshine even the Old Soviet Politburo and their news structure sans punctuations for denture cream and toilet paper. This is why a political party devotee sounds less like an American and more like an Apparatchik."
Venues where it may not be true or not as true: Literature, canvass art, dance, music composition, sculpting, operatic divas, etc. some forms of music, some musical venues such as orchestral presentations/interpretations or small chamber music ensembles, philosophy, films - not movies.
In other words, those pursuits not readily enjoyed by very large numbers of people.
For you, Reese, a bit of unlikely beauty to cheer you up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsB4a--WRTs
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Rosaria posted:
Venues where it may not be true or not as true: Literature, canvass art, dance, music composition, sculpting, operatic divas, etc. some forms of music, some musical venues such as orchestral presentations/interpretations or small chamber music ensembles, philosophy, films - not movies.
In other words, those pursuits not readily enjoyed by very large numbers of people.
Indeed - good point. I think the 'rewards' aren't as high, because of the size of the audience and the relative affliction of BS by the audience.
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For you, Reese, a bit of unlikely beauty to cheer you up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsB4a--WRTs
An unexpected delight - ty
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There is a reason that the phrase "Nice guys finish last." came about.
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One could say that people hate truth and honesty.
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reesescups posted:
Rosaria posted:
Venues where it may not be true or not as true: Literature, canvass art, dance, music composition, sculpting, operatic divas, etc. some forms of music, some musical venues such as orchestral presentations/interpretations or small chamber music ensembles, philosophy, films - not movies.
In other words, those pursuits not readily enjoyed by very large numbers of people.
Indeed - good point. I think the 'rewards' aren't as high, because of the size of the audience and the relative affliction of BS by the audience.
Not sure what exactly you mean by rewards. What do you think this is worth? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwp1CH5R-w4&feature=related
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The law is a reflection of those who wrote it.
Perhaps if thieves, liars and cheats weren't writing the rules....
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Rosaria posted:
reesescups posted:
Rosaria posted:
Venues where it may not be true or not as true: Literature, canvass art, dance, music composition, sculpting, operatic divas, etc. some forms of music, some musical venues such as orchestral presentations/interpretations or small chamber music ensembles, philosophy, films - not movies.
In other words, those pursuits not readily enjoyed by very large numbers of people.
Indeed - good point. I think the 'rewards' aren't as high, because of the size of the audience and the relative affliction of BS by the audience.
Not sure what exactly you mean by rewards. What do you think this is worth? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwp1CH5R-w4&feature=related
It's priceless... But I doubt they are rewarded as much as say Elvis, Madonna, U2, Michael Jackson...
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Life is set up to unfairly reward liars, thieves, and cheats.
Yep.
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Almost certainly, SoO!
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A large multicultural society is not going to have rudimentary social bonds that are dependent on affinity that keeps down immoral or unethical behavior. The big push for a multicultural society can be largely blamed for our wholesale ethical / moral breakdown. You can also lay a lot of blame at the feet of those that rationalize for a living, IE lawyers and politicians. Those people don't need or want principles, what they want are winning/convincing arguments that can sway others. Winning for them is more important than the ultimate outcome which may not be seen/realized for generations after the fact.
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Aerlinthian posted:
Those people don't need or want principles, what they want are winning/convincing arguments that can sway others. Winning for them is more important than the ultimate outcome which may not be seen/realized for generations after the fact.
Recent research supports this concept as the way the human mind works in general.
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Eager_Igraine posted:
Aerlinthian posted:
Those people don't need or want principles, what they want are winning/convincing arguments that can sway others. Winning for them is more important than the ultimate outcome which may not be seen/realized for generations after the fact.
Recent research supports this concept as the way the human mind works in general.
I can accept that claim but the point remains is that the aforementioned groups make a living out of being unprincipled pieces of garbage where they are the ones that are supposed be held to a higher standard because they have either been academically trained to understand the foundational basis of our society or purport to run on it.
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Not sure what exactly you mean by rewards. What do you think this is worth? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwp1CH5R-w4&feature=related
It's priceless... But I doubt they are rewarded as much as say Elvis, Madonna, U2, Michael Jackson...
It is indeed priceless. Bocelli, and the 'boys in the band' for that matter [a small Roman classical conservitorio] are revered and appreciated by serious students of classical music as well as the general public. The nature of his audience is very important to him, but he does not suffer from lack of popularity. I refer you to wiki for a list of his accomplishments.
Bocelli lives very comfortably in his three villas and is a frequent guest of palaces throughout the world. He's also blind and has never seen the treasures collected by his estate. Bocelli says he lives to feel the interaction with his audiences which he describes as a giving of mutual love and respect. True, he's no Madonna or U2 who are piove sul bagnato.
I hopefully ease your cynicism a little which seems to be gnawing at you.
Edited for quote build-up.
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Those people succeed in every society but they arent the low life robbers and petty thieves. THey are the businessmen, royalty, government, and upper crust of society
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I hopefully ease your cynicism a little which seems to be gnawing at you.
Indeed on both accounts, thank you!
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Aerlinthian posted:
The big push for a multicultural society can be largely blamed for our wholesale ethical / moral breakdown.
Considering that the human race is experiencing a peace it has never seen before and violent crime is basically at a species low. I consider your remarks to be complete and utter nonsense and wholly dismiss your claims.
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Vydor posted:
There is a reason that the phrase "Nice guys finish last." came about.
I like finishing last. It sure beats pumping when you're flaccid or going down after you've blown your load. Girls tend to enjoy it more after they've gotten theirs anyway. Sounds like a win/win to me!
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Bah, n/m
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how are liars, thieves and cheats rewarded amongst your family or group of friends?
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