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That could includes you as well as other people you know. What did you say to them? I know someone who had an abortion in high school, for them it was the right decision to make. There is no way you should be raising a baby when you don't know crap from apple butter.
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I went in for one once but they told me to just drink less beer, I wasn't pregnant.
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Why abort when you can spay or neuter?
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I went in for one once but they told me to just drink less beer, I wasn't pregnant.
Did they at least let you take the test?
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for them it was the right decision to make.
Doubt that, unless you mean it in a "lol, that person shouldn't procreate" sort of way.
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I went in for one once but they told me to just drink less beer, I wasn't pregnant.
Did they at least let you take the test?
Right up until they saw my penis.
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No; but my sister did have a crack baby. I'm pretty sure it would have been better off to have been an abortion 
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I think that guy is sporting some wood in that picture. Stop messing up this srs ACFS thread.
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it's your thumb, dummy!
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High quality thread.
Well, so far today theres only politics, tipping and abortion on.
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nope I dont know anyone who has murdered their unborn child.
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nope I dont know anyone who has murdered their unborn child.
Easy for you to say. Try having sex with women and see if you change your mind. 
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nope I dont know anyone who has murdered their unborn child.
Easy for you to say. Try having sex with women and see if you change your mind.
been there done that, wasnt impressed :P
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Yes. Multiple people, actually. What did I say to them? To the person who was having it done (as opposed to having had in the past), I asked them if they needed a ride to/from and if they needed anything other wise (food, etc) to let me know.
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Yep.
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Don't you think giving them a ride to the clinic is going too far? That's almost like giving them the abortion yourself.
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nope I dont know anyone who has murdered their unborn child.
Easy for you to say. Try being pregnant for nine months and having a child for decades
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nope I dont know anyone who has murdered their unborn child.
Easy for you to say. Try being pregnant for nine months and having a child for decades
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You can get pregnant by sitting on a toilet seat. Why should you be punished for that?
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Don't you think giving them a ride to the clinic is going too far? That's almost like giving them the abortion yourself.
If there was a safe way for me to do so, I would. However, since I'm not a doctor I do what I can.
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Don't you think giving them a ride to the clinic is going too far? That's almost like giving them the abortion yourself.
no its just accessory to murder
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Coat hangers should be free.
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I wish aborted children would haunt their mothers.
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Don't you think giving them a ride to the clinic is going too far? That's almost like giving them the abortion yourself.
no its just accessory to murder
That's the stupidest thing I've read today.
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Don't you think giving them a ride to the clinic is going too far? That's almost like giving them the abortion yourself.
no its just accessory to murder
That's the stupidest thing I've read today.
Which one, mine, his, or both?
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nope I dont know anyone who has murdered their unborn child.
Pfft, every time you or your bfs crap or fart.
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Don't you think giving them a ride to the clinic is going too far? That's almost like giving them the abortion yourself.
no its just accessory to murder
That's the stupidest thing I've read today.
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Which one, mine, his, or both?
His post.
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This is ACF
I know - I've only been up since 7AM Pacific time, so I know there's more stupid on the way for ACF today.
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nope I dont know anyone who has murdered their unborn child.
Pfft, every time you or your bfs crap or fart.
are you saying gay guy's poops and fart can create babies?  We should certainly let the world know so all those gay people in states who dont allow gay adoptions would totally be pleased!
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I think he was saying that by wasting all that sperm in the ass of some dude means you are killing babies.
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I think he was saying that by wasting all that sperm in the ass of some dude means you are killing babies.
Now that is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
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I think he was saying that by wasting all that sperm in the ass of some dude means you are killing babies.
I know what he was trying to say and its ludicrous...its not even the same thing. Sperm alone cant create a baby so there was never a chance for life to even be born so its not murder. When you have a man and a woman have sex and they create a human life and then kill it, thats murder.
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I know what he was trying to say and its ludicrous...its not even the same thing. Sperm alone cant create a baby so there was never a chance for life to even be born so its not murder. When you have a man and a woman have sex and they create a human life and then kill it, thats murder.
DINGDINGDINGDING
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I suggested that a girl on my wife's side of the family got an abortion a few weeks ago and she did. Everyone agreed it was good advice.
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I know what he was trying to say and its ludicrous...its not even the same thing. Sperm alone cant create a baby so there was never a chance for life to even be born so its not murder. When you have a man and a woman have sex and they create a human life and then kill it, thats murder.
DINGDINGDINGDING New winner for dumbest thing I've read today.
lol just because you have no defense for being allowed to legally murder innocent doesn't make what I say "stupid" lol I guess if you say it enough times though the sheeple here will agree with you.
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I know what he was trying to say and its ludicrous...its not even the same thing. Sperm alone cant create a baby so there was never a chance for life to even be born so its not murder. When you have a man and a woman have sex and they create a human life and then kill it, thats murder.
DINGDINGDINGDING New winner for dumbest thing I've read today.
lol just because you have no defense for being allowed to legally murder innocent doesn't make what I say "stupid" lol I guess if you say it enough times though the sheeple here will agree with you.
Just because your parents gave your fat ass up for adoption rather than feeding you to a vacuum doesn't mean it's the right choice for everyone.
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I suggested that a girl on my wife's side of the family got an abortion a few weeks ago and she did. Everyone agreed it was good advice.
Dude you are totally a jedi, even Obi Wan couldn't pull off an AOE jedi mind trick.
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NonOffensiveName posted:
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I know what he was trying to say and its ludicrous...its not even the same thing. Sperm alone cant create a baby so there was never a chance for life to even be born so its not murder. When you have a man and a woman have sex and they create a human life and then kill it, thats murder.
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lol just because you have no defense for being allowed to legally murder innocent doesn't make what I say "stupid" lol I guess if you say it enough times though the sheeple here will agree with you.
Just because your parents gave your fat ass up for adoption rather than feeding you to a vacuum doesn't mean it's the right choice for everyone.
I guarantee her *parents are investigating retroactive abortion now. 
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I don't know what you don't get. It's not a person. It's not a child.
It is a collection of cells, that is developing and becoming a person.
Once it is born, it is a person. Not before.
There is no guarantee that while it is developing it will survive. It's not counted as a person by the census.
I don't perceive this as that difficult a concept. But I bet you're one of those people who would love to drive around schools in a van plastered in pictures of aborted fetuses, and hold out posters of the same - in an attempt to disgust people into thinking that it's murder.
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I think he was saying that by wasting all that sperm in the ass of some dude means you are killing babies.
miscarriage is manslaughter!/quote]
I know someone who had an abortion. I didn't say anything because it's none of my business. But now that she wants to get pregnant, she can't, she always miscarries
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I know what he was trying to say and its ludicrous...its not even the same thing. Sperm alone cant create a baby so there was never a chance for life to even be born so its not murder. When you have a man and a woman have sex and they create a human life and then kill it, thats murder.
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lol just because you have no defense for being allowed to legally murder innocent doesn't make what I say "stupid" lol I guess if you say it enough times though the sheeple here will agree with you.
Just because your parents gave your fat ass up for adoption rather than feeding you to a vacuum doesn't mean it's the right choice for everyone.
[/blockquote] umm...how deluded are you? I never said nor even hinted that I was adopted. lol Adoption is a far far better option than murdering your own child though.
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Three that I personally know of since they would have been my progency.
Does that answer your question?
All back in the 1970's.
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Three that I personally know of since they would have been my progency.
Does that answer your question?
All back in the 1970's.
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Yes, although I didn't know her at the time.
We haven't discussed it really, but I'm glad she did as she was very young at the time and is now happy and finishing a degree.
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I don't know what you don't get. It's not a person. It's not a child. It is a collection of cells, that is developing and becoming a person. Once it is born, it is a person. Not before. There is no guarantee that while it is developing it will survive. It's not counted as a person by the census. I don't perceive this as that difficult a concept. But I bet you're one of those people who would love to drive around schools in a van plastered in pictures of aborted fetuses, and hold out posters of the same - in an attempt to disgust people into thinking that it's murder.
yeah thats why there is a ban nation wide on partial birth abortions...
thats also why if someone beats a woman so brutally that it kills her and/or the child that person is charged with the murder of the baby as well. Yet if she had went into a doctor's office and had it killed there its "legal"
such hypocrisy is sickening
About driving around a school in a van, not so much. I would be for teaching in those schools that aborting/killing an unborn baby is wrong though.
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I know someone who had two abortions, because in both cases the baby had anencephaly. Like being hit by lightning twice. 
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I suggested that a girl on my wife's side of the family got an abortion a few weeks ago and she did. Everyone agreed it was good advice.
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Yep, I know people who have had an abortion.
I went with one of them for moral support when she had an abortion at 20 weeks because the baby tested positive for Down's in the amniocentesis and had a major heart defect.
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I suggested that a girl on my wife's side of the family got an abortion a few weeks ago and she did. Everyone agreed it was good advice.
What'd the baby think?
squish squish squish.
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Speaking of hypocrisy...
Wasn't NON the one who wanted the brave little boy who courageously stood up to the vicious little nope that was harassing him murdered?
Why would that murder have been ok?
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Speaking of hypocrisy... Wasn't NON the one who wanted the brave little boy who courageously stood up to the vicious little nope that was harassing him murdered? Why would that murder have been ok?
really? you're comparing a cold blooded premeditated murder to an unborn innocent baby? Wow no wonder people have such screwed up values now a days.
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I took a friend in high school to have hers done, that was before they had the chemical version.
Its not a choice I would make for myself, but I also don't judge others that feel its their best choice.
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More than one. Had one girl call me in tears in the clinic.
Kinda fks with their heads, which is what I told all of them to be prepared for. Never really tried to talk any of them out of it, just warned them what they might be getting into.
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if half of all fertilizations don't even make it to full term pregnancy- and the number is estimated to be something like that if you look it up- then for every person who is walking around there is at least another person who died before they even developed.
if you truly believed that fertilization equates with person hood then you have to reconcile the fact that most people are dying of natural causes before they are ever born. what a cruel world it is. what kind of mean god strikes most people down before they've developed eyes to even see the world?
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LOOK! A PERSON. i think this one is going to be president.
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if half of all fertilizations don't even make it to full term pregnancy- and the number is estimated to be something like that if you look it up- then for every person who is walking around there is at least another person who died before they even developed.
if you truly believed that fertilization equates with person hood then you have to reconcile the fact that most people are dying of natural causes before they are ever born. what a cruel world it is. what kind of mean god strikes most people down before they've developed eyes to even see the world?
Makes me want to give every single pro-lifer a couple of newborns and say HAVE FUN, you insisted that it was wrong to kill them when they were an inch long...
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if half of all fertilizations don't even make it to full term pregnancy- and the number is estimated to be something like that if you look it up- then for every person who is walking around there is at least another person who died before they even developed. if you truly believed that fertilization equates with person hood then you have to reconcile the fact that most people are dying of natural causes before they are ever born. what a cruel world it is. what kind of mean god strikes most people down before they've developed eyes to even see the world?
if what you say is true, why should we add to the number of lives that are taken this way? Just because they end early naturally doesnt give us a just cause to kill at will out of convenience sake. And lets face it, for every one abortion that is done to save a mother's life or some sob story like that there are 100 that are just because a couple doesnt want to take responsibility for the life they've created.
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do zygotes go to purgatory?
what about a siamese twin where like only like 2 arms and a leg are left of one of the twins? is there a purgatory for your identical twin's arms?
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if half of all fertilizations don't even make it to full term pregnancy- and the number is estimated to be something like that if you look it up- then for every person who is walking around there is at least another person who died before they even developed.
if you truly believed that fertilization equates with person hood then you have to reconcile the fact that most people are dying of natural causes before they are ever born. what a cruel world it is. what kind of mean god strikes most people down before they've developed eyes to even see the world?
Makes me want to give every single pro-lifer a couple of newborns and say HAVE FUN, you insisted that it was wrong to kill them when they were an inch long...
My favorite is that all of the zealous pro-lifers believe in all of these rights until birth. After birth they're on their f'n own. Get a job. If you starve, it's your parents fault for not trying harder.
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abortion = murder. abortion, equal MURDER. a fertilized egg is a person like me and you!
what does all that nonsense you just said have to do with the fact that your god is a pitiless being who lets most people die before they've been capable of doing a single thing that is definitively human?
i told my dog that there are single cells that are morally more important for me to me protect than him and he was very insulted. he was so mad he peed on the rug.
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if half of all fertilizations don't even make it to full term pregnancy- and the number is estimated to be something like that if you look it up- then for every person who is walking around there is at least another person who died before they even developed. if you truly believed that fertilization equates with person hood then you have to reconcile the fact that most people are dying of natural causes before they are ever born. what a cruel world it is. what kind of mean god strikes most people down before they've developed eyes to even see the world?
Makes me want to give every single pro-lifer a couple of newborns and say HAVE FUN, you insisted that it was wrong to kill them when they were an inch long...
so you want to punish pro life people because they made the responsible choice to abstain from sex or have protected sex? Nice move there...
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if half of all fertilizations don't even make it to full term pregnancy- and the number is estimated to be something like that if you look it up- then for every person who is walking around there is at least another person who died before they even developed. if you truly believed that fertilization equates with person hood then you have to reconcile the fact that most people are dying of natural causes before they are ever born. what a cruel world it is. what kind of mean god strikes most people down before they've developed eyes to even see the world?
Makes me want to give every single pro-lifer a couple of newborns and say HAVE FUN, you insisted that it was wrong to kill them when they were an inch long...
so you want to punish pro life people because they made the responsible choice to abstain from sex or have protected sex? Nice move there...
LOL. No, she was wanting to make a point to them. You're the one that thinks babies are a form of punishment...
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[blockquote]Anebriated posted:
if half of all fertilizations don't even make it to full term pregnancy- and the number is estimated to be something like that if you look it up- then for every person who is walking around there is at least another person who died before they even developed. if you truly believed that fertilization equates with person hood then you have to reconcile the fact that most people are dying of natural causes before they are ever born. what a cruel world it is. what kind of mean god strikes most people down before they've developed eyes to even see the world?
Makes me want to give every single pro-lifer a couple of newborns and say HAVE FUN, you insisted that it was wrong to kill them when they were an inch long...
so you want to punish pro life people because they made the responsible choice to abstain from sex or have protected sex? Nice move there...
LOL. No, she was wanting to make a point to them. You're the one that thinks babies are a form of punishment...
[/blockquote] she knows it would be an unpleasant experience for someone especially if they are not ready to have children....so in essence it would be a form of punishment for people who have chosen the responsible route.
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why would you insist about talking about anything besides the definition of a human life with the right to live?
lets start with the definition of death? is it when you stop breathing? guess not, we can breath for people. is it when your heart stops? no, you can come back from that too. is it when part of your brain dies? no, brain damaged people are people too. is it total brain death? i guess you could remove the entire cerebral cortex and still breathe and have a heartbeat and a metabolism but you wouldn't be doing anything or moving. oh right, just knowing when someone dead is pretty murky business.
but hold on, knowing when something counts as a person is easy! duh murderers.
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I feel so sheltered now....don't know anyone who has had an abortion....to my knowledge, at least.
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I feel so sheltered now....don't know anyone who has had an abortion....to my knowledge, at least.
Most people don't talk about it.
Just like most people don't know how often women miscarry, especially on their first pregnancy.
Of course, I know one girl that threw a party the day after she miscarried in order to celebrate not having her life ruined. That was a bit weird.
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I feel so sheltered now....don't know anyone who has had an abortion....to my knowledge, at least.
I'm fairly certain my friend picked me to tell about it because I'm openly pro-choice, both of us were already parents once, and she couldn't handle another one while still in high school. She didn't tell others because everyone we knew were mothers, some more than once, and a group of new mothers are not ones you want to start discussing abortion with.
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Yes, the first ones I knew of were in high school. I went to an all-girls Catholic High School and if you were pregnant you could not attend. Only one girl that I knew of was allowed to be tutored in the convent and had a full-term pregnancy.
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Lynea posted:
I feel so sheltered now....don't know anyone who has had an abortion....to my knowledge, at least.
Most people don't talk about it.
Just like most people don't know how often women miscarry, especially on their first pregnancy.
Of course, I know one girl that threw a party the day after she miscarried in order to celebrate not having her life ruined. That was a bit weird.
That would be weird...
And I'm like Lynea... I don't know anyone who's had an abortion that I'm aware of.
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I'm not trying to punish anyone, I'm trying to say that if anti-abortionists shove their beliefs in my face, then they better back it up with a viable alternative. No, not having sex is not a viable alternative. You've seen what celibacy leads to (see: Catholic church.)
Birth control is great, but yes, it does fail. Yes, there is user error, like with everything else. User error in a car kills people, can't ban driving either.
So yeah, it just irritates the crap out of me when someone calls a non-viable (aka could not live outside of the womb) embryo or fetus a baby that's being murdered. It's not the same thing.
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I'm not trying to punish anyone, I'm trying to say that if anti-abortionists shove their beliefs in my face, then they better back it up with a viable alternative. No, not having sex is not a viable alternative. You've seen what celibacy leads to (see: Catholic church.)
Birth control is great, but yes, it does fail. Yes, there is user error, like with everything else. User error in a car kills people, can't ban driving either.
So yeah, it just irritates the crap out of me when someone calls a non-viable (aka could not live outside of the womb) embryo or fetus a baby that's being murdered. It's not the same thing.
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Of course, I know one girl that threw a party the day after she miscarried in order to celebrate not having her life ruined. That was a bit weird.
Wow, that is a bit disturbing.
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I'm not trying to punish anyone, I'm trying to say that if anti-abortionists shove their beliefs in my face, then they better back it up with a viable alternative. No, not having sex is not a viable alternative. You've seen what celibacy leads to (see: Catholic church.) Birth control is great, but yes, it does fail. Yes, there is user error, like with everything else. User error in a car kills people, can't ban driving either. So yeah, it just irritates the crap out of me when someone calls a non-viable (aka could not live outside of the womb) embryo or fetus a baby that's being murdered. It's not the same thing.
A viable alternative? Oh goodness I dont know, maybe people should try some personal responsibility for a change before resorting to killing their unborn child. We need to be teaching our future generations that just because you get yourself in a terrible mess doesnt mean that there are no consequences for your actions. Yeah you wanna have sex at 16 or 17 years old before you're mature enough to even have sex emotionally? Well if youre mature enough to make that decision then you're mature enough to handle the consequences. Thats why the youth today feel like nothing is ever their fault. No one is teaching them basic personal responsibility. There is a quick fix for every bad situation. I think if we send that message via our actions instead of saying "dont have sex dont have sex dont have sex" that would get the message across alot more effectively.
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myxomatosis8 posted:
I'm not trying to punish anyone, I'm trying to say that if anti-abortionists shove their beliefs in my face, then they better back it up with a viable alternative. No, not having sex is not a viable alternative. You've seen what celibacy leads to (see: Catholic church.) Birth control is great, but yes, it does fail. Yes, there is user error, like with everything else. User error in a car kills people, can't ban driving either. So yeah, it just irritates the crap out of me when someone calls a non-viable (aka could not live outside of the womb) embryo or fetus a baby that's being murdered. It's not the same thing.
A viable alternative? Oh goodness I dont know, maybe people should try some personal responsibility for a change before resorting to killing their unborn child. We need to be teaching our future generations that just because you get yourself in a terrible mess doesnt mean that there are no consequences for your actions. Yeah you wanna have sex at 16 or 17 years old before you're mature enough to even have sex emotionally? Well if youre mature enough to make that decision then you're mature enough to handle the consequences. Thats why the youth today feel like nothing is ever their fault. No one is teaching them basic personal responsibility. There is a quick fix for every bad situation. I think if we send that message via our actions instead of saying "dont have sex dont have sex dont have sex" that would get the message across alot more effectively.
do you realize, as a gay man that will never procreate "by accident", you just sound like an asshole?
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myxomatosis8 posted:
I'm not trying to punish anyone, I'm trying to say that if anti-abortionists shove their beliefs in my face, then they better back it up with a viable alternative. No, not having sex is not a viable alternative. You've seen what celibacy leads to (see: Catholic church.) Birth control is great, but yes, it does fail. Yes, there is user error, like with everything else. User error in a car kills people, can't ban driving either. So yeah, it just irritates the crap out of me when someone calls a non-viable (aka could not live outside of the womb) embryo or fetus a baby that's being murdered. It's not the same thing.
A viable alternative? Oh goodness I dont know, maybe people should try some personal responsibility for a change before resorting to killing their unborn child. We need to be teaching our future generations that just because you get yourself in a terrible mess doesnt mean that there are no consequences for your actions. Yeah you wanna have sex at 16 or 17 years old before you're mature enough to even have sex emotionally? Well if youre mature enough to make that decision then you're mature enough to handle the consequences. Thats why the youth today feel like nothing is ever their fault. No one is teaching them basic personal responsibility. There is a quick fix for every bad situation. I think if we send that message via our actions instead of saying "dont have sex dont have sex dont have sex" that would get the message across alot more effectively.
There is so much wrongheaded and misplaced holier-than-thou attitude here that I won't bother...Truly!
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Hasn't the law (in most states) decided that children under 18 aren't even capable of consentual sex? If so, how do you expect them to handle the consequences of something they aren't even capable of consenting to?
I'm gonna just agree with Jezza.
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Having an abortion is taking responsibility for your pregnancy. You are dealing with it yourself, and not placing a burden on someone else.
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I'm not trying to punish anyone, I'm trying to say that if anti-abortionists shove their beliefs in my face, then they better back it up with a viable alternative. No, not having sex is not a viable alternative. You've seen what celibacy leads to (see: Catholic church.) Birth control is great, but yes, it does fail. Yes, there is user error, like with everything else. User error in a car kills people, can't ban driving either. So yeah, it just irritates the crap out of me when someone calls a non-viable (aka could not live outside of the womb) embryo or fetus a baby that's being murdered. It's not the same thing.
A viable alternative? Oh goodness I dont know, maybe people should try some personal responsibility for a change before resorting to killing their unborn child. We need to be teaching our future generations that just because you get yourself in a terrible mess doesnt mean that there are no consequences for your actions. Yeah you wanna have sex at 16 or 17 years old before you're mature enough to even have sex emotionally? Well if youre mature enough to make that decision then you're mature enough to handle the consequences. Thats why the youth today feel like nothing is ever their fault. No one is teaching them basic personal responsibility. There is a quick fix for every bad situation. I think if we send that message via our actions instead of saying "dont have sex dont have sex dont have sex" that would get the message across alot more effectively.
do you realize, as a gay man that will never procreate "by accident", you just sound like an asshole?
If advocating personal responsibility makes me an asshole then so be it. Its something sorely lacking in today's society. There is always someone else to blame as a scapegoat.
I suppose the 99% of the majority who ALWAYS chime in on things like gay rights, gay marriage, gay adoption are assholes too right? Cause they will never know the stigma that still exists today surrounding the multitude of topics associated with being gay but they certainly put in their two cents worth and then some.
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Hasn't the law (in most states) decided that children under 18 aren't even capable of consentual sex? If so, how do you expect them to handle the consequences of something they aren't even capable of consenting to? I'm gonna just agree with Jezza.
So like you say they are essentially breaking the law...arent there usually consequences to breaking the law? Most people who do break the law cant handle the consequences of their actions until they are forced to(ie caught by the police)Just because two people make a poor decision at an early age doesnt give them the right to commit murder.
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yes i know someone. they were pretty much whoring it up no idea who the baby daddy was probably a good thing it was aborted if theres any justice she will never procreate ever.
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Speaking of hypocrisy... Wasn't NON the one who wanted the brave little boy who courageously stood up to the vicious little nope that was harassing him murdered? Why would that murder have been ok?
really? you're comparing a cold blooded premeditated murder to an unborn innocent baby? Wow no wonder people have such screwed up values now a days.
But the murderer still has a chance to do good, and its a life! Isn't that what you care about? Looks like the answer is no. Also, citing that it is double murder when you kill a pregnant woman is beyond stupid. In some cultures it is illegal to fart, therefore it must be some precious entity that needs protection.
At the end of the say all you have is a FEELING that it is life, backed by the flimsiest stack of card reasons ever. At least admit it, it's a hunch, nothing more. I personally think it is criminal to throw away a single grain of rice when there are kids starving in the world, but since it is a FEELING, I would not support throwing wasters in jail. They threw away a lifeline for someone else who has ALREADY been born. Kinda like aborting a baby IF it is a human life. You aren't a pro-lifer at all, a pro-lifer would probably worry more about the definite this-person-is-here type people. I find it incredibly intellectually lazy.
I have no more than you have though, I just have a FEELING that it isn't life until a certain point. But I am going to worry more about the life that has already had independent thought and existence. You happen to put sperm (what could be a person) in a place where life wont happen.(butts) I advocate putting fetuses (what could be a person) in a place where life wont happen. (garbage cans) Sperm is alive, you know this. So my question is, do you base all your personal beliefs on what is convenient for you, or just this one?
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do you realize, as a gay man that will never procreate "by accident", you just sound like an asshole?
Bingo, NON, it's absurd to say that unplanned pregnancies are due to irresponsibility and just further demonstrates how clueless you are. Have you had sex 100 times? There is a percentage of condom failure. You apparently just never had to care. You can express yourself sexually without this risk, straight people cannot. Why are you so bigoted towards sexual self expression? My ex was on the pill AND we used condoms, but she got pregnant. I was an irresponsible kid and I didn't think I was ready. I weighed the options and ended up keeping my son. I am really glad I honestly tackled whether I wanted my son to get aborted or not before he was a person, because I have the confidence that I wanted this, and wasn't guilted by regressives such as yourself into not having a choice.
Humans at the fetal stage are no different than the pigs or cows we eat, except they dont even have experiences to give them a semblance of personhood. I love my son, LOVE him, but if I raised him again from birth 10 times there would be ten different people that happen to look the same. Any parent would agree. Killing my son would be evil because he is completely unique and his life experiences are irreplaceable. Who we are is derived from our experiences and the choices we make, fetuses dont have that. It sickens me to think of people sitting over a steak dinner and talking about the evils of terminating a pea sized cluster of cells. I don't claim any of my "proof of non-life" to be any more than feelings. You do. Take a few steps back and see how idiotic that is.
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