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Bomb-maker is spotted on surveillance.
Marine orders snipers to shoot him, and he is wounded.
Other Afghanis rush to help him and put the wounded man on a tractor to evacuate him.
Marine orders snipers to shoot engine block of tractor to disable it (none of the other Afghanis are hurt).
The Afghanis turn out to be teenagers.
"As a result, Waddell was demoted from executive officer, and the battalion commander, Lt. Col. Seth Folsom, determined he had violated rules of engagement that governed when Marines could fire, and at whom. Folsom said Wadell "is not recommended for promotion" and "in violation of [combat rules] during an engagement." The report stated that "noncombatant local nationals" were in the area of direct fire and that "the engagement resulted in a damaged local national vehicle.""
http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/world/2012/01/marines-career-threatened-controversial-rules-engagement/2127401
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He should also pay for any damages done to the tractor. Marines go around fking up property.. They think that mod free?
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Will he do more time than that sergeant who killed all them civilian peeps in Haditha?
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He should. The man is clearly a god damn cowboy.
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It sounds like the issue is that he ordered a sniper to fire close to non-combatants. I understand its war, but if he violated the ROE in that regard, it seems like that's a pretty big deal, meriting a demotion or lack of promotion. I wouldn't make that call, but I can support it.
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Seems pretty stupid to me.
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What was our total cost for shooting a tractor? Thats is some hard core stuff. Blow away a mans tractor.
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Here is a crazy idea, how about we stop spending money we don't have, stop wasting lives (of our own and theirs) needlessly and bring our people & equipment home.
I know I know, that is just CRAZEee talk.
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what kind of round is big enough to stop a fracking tractor yet only wound a person?
was his wound a missing limb?
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Time to leave that hellhole
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YouMightSeeMe posted:
He should. The man is clearly a god damn cowboy.
Modern cowboys would rather get shot themselves than harm a good tractor.
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seems silly that the battalion commander that he got permission from to shoot in the first place would give a "not recommended for promo" recommendation in his fitreps
this can't be the full story...
while the recommendation isn't binding.....it will be a drag on his career....it would be impossible to make any level of general now which isn't a big deal because there are so few in the Marines to begin with....and realistically he will probably never make it to a full bird colonel with that blemish on his record
still he will probably easily attain lt colonel and retire after about 25 years with a fat pension
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Ashmaele posted:
Will he do more time than that sergeant who killed all them civilian peeps in Haditha?
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It tells you something about Rakhir's mental processes that he reads a story about some cowboy shooting at a bunch of brown teenagers on a tractor and fixates on the damage to the tractor as the reason they guy is being punished.
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Its dumb he is being punished.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
It tells you something about Rakhir's mental processes that he reads a story about some cowboy shooting at a bunch of brown teenagers on a tractor and fixates on the damage to the tractor as the reason they guy is being punished.
Yeah, considering the damaging of the tractor was specifically mentioned in the report.
If he was a cowboy, he'd have ordered them all shot, after all, they were aiding the terrorist.
Ordering the tractor disabled was a brilliant idea come up with in the spur of the moment that was designed to capture the terrorist (or at least prevent his escape) without wounding the others involved.
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The story is horribly biased and doesn't even give you basic facts about what happened. Was the guy actually a bomb maker? Did they catch him? If they caught him how did they not find out the kids were kids for weeks?
But even the story notes that he wasn't punished until they found out they were teenagers weeks later. So clearly harming the tractor is not the primary cause of punishment.
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They couldn't catch up to a tractor and needed to disable it?
It must be the Ferrari of tractors!
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