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Not sure I can even put him in the top 10
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Bart Starr
3) Don Majikowski
4) John Elway
5) Tom Brady
6) Steve Young
7) Joe Montana
8) Lynn Dickie
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Not sure I can even put him in the top 10
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Bart Starr
3) Don Majikowski
4) John Elway
5) Tom Brady
6) Steve Young
7) Joe Montana
8) Lynn Dickie
9) Roger Staubach
10) Brett Favre
Certainly ahead of anybody in bold.
And an argument could easily be made to put him ahead of the the rest of them.
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Manning is out? Source?
Your whack list is about as accurate as the pack in the playoffs this year. 
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No one has said he is out, just seems like all the talking heads are saying the writing is on the wall.
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We won't know anything for two months.
The only thing that we know right now, is that the decision is going to be made by Jim Irsay.
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He beats everyone on that list except for Montana and crushes Montana if you take Super Bowls out of the discussion.
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lol no.
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Chogram posted:
Cuttlery posted:
Not sure I can even put him in the top 10
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Bart Starr
3) Don Majikowski
4) John Elway
5) Tom Brady
6) Steve Young
7) Joe Montana
8) Lynn Dickie
9) Roger Staubach
10) Brett Favre
Certainly ahead of anybody in bold.
And an argument could easily be made to put him ahead of the the rest of them.
You're putting Brady ahead of Young? That's rich.
Oh, wait, you're one of those "championships are what makes a good player" sorts, aren't you?
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Steve Young winning % 65%
Tom Brady winning % 77% (best in NFL history)
Steve Young career passing yards (15 years) 33124
Tom Brady career passing yards (12 years) 39,979
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ferdinand.the.great posted:
Chogram posted:
Cuttlery posted:
Not sure I can even put him in the top 10
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Bart Starr
3) Don Majikowski
4) John Elway
5) Tom Brady
6) Steve Young
7) Joe Montana
8) Lynn Dickie
9) Roger Staubach
10) Brett Favre
Certainly ahead of anybody in bold.
And an argument could easily be made to put him ahead of the the rest of them.
You're putting Brady ahead of Young? That's rich.
Oh, wait, you're one of those "championships are what makes a good player" sorts, aren't you?
Of all team sports, championships in football probably mean the least when talking about greatest ever. Manning's team went from Super Bowl contenders EVERY YEAR to winning the draft lottery. That right there should hold more weight than any championship.
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ferdinand.the.great posted:
Chogram posted:
Cuttlery posted:
Not sure I can even put him in the top 10
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Bart Starr
3) Don Majikowski
4) John Elway
5) Tom Brady
6) Steve Young
7) Joe Montana
8) Lynn Dickie
9) Roger Staubach
10) Brett Favre
Certainly ahead of anybody in bold.
And an argument could easily be made to put him ahead of the the rest of them.
You're putting Brady ahead of Young? That's rich.
Oh, wait, you're one of those "championships are what makes a good player" sorts, aren't you?
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clearly there are some seriously retarded standards for that list!
hell, he has the turnover king and a guy who threw more int's than TD's on the list.
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Not sure I can even put him in the top 10
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Bart Starr
3) Don Majikowski
4) John Elway
5) Tom Brady
6) Steve Young
7) Joe Montana
8) Lynn Dickie
9) Roger Staubach
10) Brett Favre
if you had credibility in sports topics, it has all been lost with that list. Chogram is correct about the decision on Manning...look for it at the end of Feb. or right at the beginning of March. i know my gut, i have been discussing with friends that the situation will be ok, and Manning will be in a Colts jersey if healthy this year.
after hearing a interview today i now have a different feeling...actually ready to put money on it, that Manning wont be in a Colts jersey next year...sadly. i pray im wrong, but even Unitas (that wasnt on your list) went to SD at the end of his career.
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Steve Young winning % 65%
Tom Brady winning % 77% (best in NFL history)
Steve Young career passing yards (15 years) 33124
Tom Brady career passing yards (12 years) 39,979
Steve Young career TD's 232
Tom Brady career TD's 300
Steve Young games started: 143
Tom Brady's games started: 159
Steve Young's seasons as TD leader: Four
Tom Brady's seasons as TD leader: Three
Steve Young's seasons as passer rating leader: Six
Tom Brady's seasons as passer rating leader: Two
Steve Young's seasons as completion percentage leader: Five
Tom Brady's seasons as completion percentage leader: One
Steve Young's career rushing yards: 4239
Tom Brady's career rushing yards: 716
Steve Young's career rushing touchdowns: 43
Tom Brady's career rushing touchdowns: 10
You can only compare players within their era. Steve Young was playing alongside Brett Favre, John Elway, and Dan Marino, so it's not like his peers were slouches. He was a great quarterback, and he's in the top ten of all time. I think he's better than Brady, and a lot of people agree with me. I can accept someone thinking otherwise, but anyone who thinks he's several places lower than Brady in the all-time greats list is smoking something, or is one of those wack-jobs who thinks that rings equal greatness.
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ferdinand.the.great posted:
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Steve Young winning % 65%
Tom Brady winning % 77% (best in NFL history)
Steve Young career passing yards (15 years) 33124
Tom Brady career passing yards (12 years) 39,979
Steve Young career TD's 232
Tom Brady career TD's 300
Steve Young games started: 143
Tom Brady's games started: 159
Steve Young's seasons as TD leader: Four
Tom Brady's seasons as TD leader: Three
Steve Young's seasons as passer rating leader: Six
Tom Brady's seasons as passer rating leader: Two
Steve Young's seasons as completion percentage leader: Five
Tom Brady's seasons as completion percentage leader: One
Steve Young's career rushing yards: 4239
Tom Brady's career rushing yards: 716
Steve Young's career rushing touchdowns: 43
Tom Brady's career rushing touchdowns: 10
You can only compare players within their era. Steve Young was playing alongside Brett Favre, John Elway, and Dan Marino, so it's not like his peers were slouches. He was a great quarterback, and he's in the top ten of all time. I think he's better than Brady, and a lot of people agree with me. I can accept someone thinking otherwise, but anyone who thinks he's several places lower than Brady in the all-time greats list is smoking something, or is one of those wack-jobs who thinks that rings equal greatness.
you did too much work to disprove a dumpster fire of a list. but good job.
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Cutt, is that a serious list?
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You can only compare players within their era. Steve Young was playing alongside Brett Favre, John Elway, and Dan Marino, so it's not like his peers were slouches. He was a great quarterback, and he's in the top ten of all time. I think he's better than Brady, and a lot of people agree with me. I can accept someone thinking otherwise, but anyone who thinks he's several places lower than Brady in the all-time greats list is smoking something, or is one of those wack-jobs who thinks that rings equal greatness.
Young also played during the Run focused era... Brady plays in the era where its all about passing the ball. RBs are becoming less and less used as runners so QBs stats are going way up.
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Cutt, is that a serious list?
Is any list Cutt ever puts out serious?
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Bet he won't leave. Most of this hype is all driven by one source, ESPN. The same gaggle of retards that actually not only predicted Boston for going to the World Series, but winning it too.
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Steve Young winning % 65%
Tom Brady winning % 77% (best in NFL history)
Peyton Manning winning % 66%
Steve Young career passing yards (15 years) 33124
Tom Brady career passing yards (12 years) 39,979
Peyton Manning career passing yards (13 years) 54,828
Steve Young career TD's 232
Tom Brady career TD's 300
Peyton Manning career TD's 399
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Bet he won't leave. Most of this hype is all driven by one source, ESPN. The same gaggle of retards that actually not only predicted Boston for going to the World Series, but winning it too.
I can't let that go
It wasn't just ESPN doing it, though. 90% of baseball "talking heads" were predicting this.
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Not sure I can even put him in the top 10
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Bart Starr
3) Don Majikowski
4) John Elway
5) Tom Brady
6) Steve Young
7) Joe Montana
8) Lynn Dickie
9) Roger Staubach
10) Brett Favre
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Cutt, is that a serious list?
Is any list Cutt ever puts out serious?
Obviously not - this is the same guy that still thinks the Packers are the best team regardless of their win/loss columns. That's either pure devotion or pure stupidity.
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no way manning stays with Indy....
he wont take a pay cut and Indy wont sit the 1st overall pick of Luck
Manning is due something like 28 million if they don't cut him in March....that's too much out of the salary cap for a team that needs to rebuild
he will be cut and signed with another team....probably a washington or miami or he will retire
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Has anyone notified cutt that the Pack lost? I sense denial.
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Has anyone notified cutt that the Pack lost? I sense denial.
it wasn't rodger's fault on that..... when your receivers have bricks for hands and drop 8 passes...then there isn't much you can do
the receiving corps of GB should be ashamed
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Has anyone notified cutt that the Pack lost? I sense denial.
it wasn't rodger's fault on that..... when your receivers have bricks for hands and drop 8 passes...then there isn't much you can do
the receiving corps of GB should be ashamed
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i have long wished that would change and no longer be against the qb. he did his job, but them dropping balls, running the wrong route, just not doing what they are paid to do, should be against them, not the qb.
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Why would this list not be serious?
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Why would this list not be serious?
Where to begin...
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Why would this list not be serious?
Where to begin...
Enlighten me, I know I left off Tobin Rote but still, its pretty accurate.
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Is this list some kind of hilarious inside joke or is the OP really that clueless?
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Not sure I can even put him in the top 10
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Bart Starr
3) Don Majikowski
4) John Elway
5) Tom Brady
6) Steve Young
7) Joe Montana
8) Lynn Dickie
9) Roger Staubach
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What did you do vomite alphabet soup and come up with that list at random?
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Who cares. The Colts suck.
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Who cares. The Colts suck.
Johnny Unitas (missing from that dumb list) disagrees with you from the grave.
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No one has said he is out, just seems like all the talking heads are saying the writing is on the wall.
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Everyone seems to think my list is crappy, but no one can make a valid arguement why its crappy. My list has to be 100% accurate.
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Everyone seems to think my list is crappy, but no one can make a valid arguement why its crappy. My list has to be 100% accurate.
explain why Aaron Rodgers is the #1 qb please. HE shouldnt be in the top 20
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Here's my top 10 QB list:
1) Vince Young
2) Tim Tebow
3) Michael Vick
4) Rex Grossman
5) Barry Sanders
6) Ryan Leaf
7) Colt McCoy
8) Drew Brees
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Everyone seems to think my list is crappy, but no one can make a valid arguement why its crappy. My list has to be 100% accurate.
Why should anyone bother to refute your own personal choices? You chose a few stats to try and make your case, I countered them and you ignored that part. It is fairly clear you have no intention of defending your choices, nor should you for that matter.
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Everyone seems to think my list is crappy, but no one can make a valid arguement why its crappy. My list has to be 100% accurate.
Because i agree with about 1/5th of your list, which would make it more of a Nickelback list, and everyone knows Nickelback sucks.
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Everyone seems to think my list is crappy, but no one can make a valid arguement why its crappy. My list has to be 100% accurate.
Your list is so bad it makes Baby Football Jesus cry.
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So basically I'm right, thats all I wanted.
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So basically I'm right, thats all I wanted.
No way Hoasaiy. You can't get away with having Aaron Rodgers at the top of the list.
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So basically I'm right, thats all I wanted.
more like your sanity is going down faster than a share of Packers stock
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So basically I'm right, thats all I wanted.
more like your sanity is going down faster than a share of Packers stock
packers stock doesnt go down at all, so basically you are saying I'm right.
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So basically I'm right, thats all I wanted.
more like your sanity is going down faster than a share of Packers stock
packers stock doesnt go down at all, so basically you are saying I'm right.
replace "packers stock" with "Gold" and you sound exactly like B_T
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Everyone seems to think my list is crappy, but no one can make a valid arguement why its crappy. My list has to be 100% accurate.
Let's start with Favre not being first and there is no Dan Marino.
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The OP must be a soccer fan. Futbol <> football
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I see what this is. This is your attempt to cope with depression, putting Aaron Rodgers at the top of the list tells you that things will be OK next year. Well, they won't. Time to face the facts.
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You do realize if the Giants win the Superbowl that then Eli easily surpasses Rodgers on that list, right?
2 rings > 1. Not to mention Eli did it from Wildcard to Superbowl, twice. Very tough to do.
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2 rings > 1. Not to mention Eli did it from Wildcard to Superbowl, twice. Very tough to do.
Giants were the 4 seed this year.
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You do realize if the Giants win the Superbowl that then Eli easily surpasses Rodgers on that list, right?
2 rings > 1. Not to mention Eli did it from Wildcard to Superbowl, twice. Very tough to do.
He already surpassed Rodgers...one ring plus one extra Superbowl appearance.
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Brady's the best QB in history. Manning's probably 4th or so.
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Brady's the best QB in history. Manning's probably 4th or so.
A couple of negatives on Brady would make me hesitate before putting him at number 1.
Aside from 07, never throws the ball down field. Avg completion at the spot of the catch is 4 yards.
He plays poorly when there is a pass rush.
Part of the great YAC yards is a testament to his great accuracy. But the passrush factor is huge. I think if Brady gets drafted by say... Chicago then there is no Tom Brady.
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Brady's the best QB in history. Manning's probably 4th or so.
A couple of negatives on Brady would make me hesitate before putting him at number 1.
Aside from 07, never throws the ball down field. Avg completion at the spot of the catch is 4 yards.
He plays poorly when there is a pass rush.
Part of the great YAC yards is a testament to his great accuracy. But the passrush factor is huge. I think if Brady gets drafted by say... Chicago then there is no Tom Brady.
he doesnt throw down the field because he doesnt have people that can run fast enough. He works with what he has. Most QB's cant do that.
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he doesnt throw down the field because he doesnt have people that can run fast enough. He works with what he has. Most QB's cant do that.
Or they put a product on the field that fits his style of play. Short, dink and dunk passes has been his MO his entire career.
2007 was the exception but he had Randy Moss, and Randy Moss made Dante Culpepper look like a god.
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Brady's the best QB in history. Manning's probably 4th or so.
A couple of negatives on Brady would make me hesitate before putting him at number 1.
Aside from 07, never throws the ball down field. Avg completion at the spot of the catch is 4 yards.
He plays poorly when there is a pass rush.
Part of the great YAC yards is a testament to his great accuracy. But the passrush factor is huge. I think if Brady gets drafted by say... Chicago then there is no Tom Brady.
you state some ok points, but hardly anything to limit him from any list...then you finish it off with something more moronic than the OP's list.
now to satisfy Cuttlery...
1) Aaron Rodgers - WAY too early to make this ranking
2) Bart Starr - way too many turnovers...must be a green bay thing
3) Don Majikowski - 66 TD's 67 INT's...enough said...again, green bay thing
4) John Elway - could be mentioned, though too high
5) Tom Brady - too low, body of work speaks for itself.
6) Steve Young - sat too long but bottom half of top 10 is OK
7) Joe Montana - for sure top 5.
8) Lynn Dickie - green bay thing, turn over machine
9) Roger Staubach - better than any GB above
10) Brett Favre - Turnover king does not belong in top 10...NO ONE will even come close to those records...EVER...then throw in he loses when it matters most except for one year...and again, green bay thing.
seriously though, what's with GB's history of turning the ball over???
i knew Favre was horrible with that aspect but it seems to be a team thing! WTF are they doing with Rodgers, he doesn't fit their mold!
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You do realize if the Giants win the Superbowl that then Eli easily surpasses Rodgers on that list, right?
2 rings > 1. Not to mention Eli did it from Wildcard to Superbowl, twice. Very tough to do.
He already surpassed Rodgers...one ring plus one extra Superbowl appearance.
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You do realize if the Giants win the Superbowl that then Eli easily surpasses Rodgers on that list, right?
2 rings > 1. Not to mention Eli did it from Wildcard to Superbowl, twice. Very tough to do.
He already surpassed Rodgers...one ring plus one extra Superbowl appearance.
True, but this win would cement it!
By this logic, Big Ben is in front of both of them. 3 trips, 2 wins (1 win actually was from wildcard - 2005).
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By this logic, Big Ben is in front of both of them. 3 trips, 2 wins (1 win actually was from wildcard - 2005).
And I would have to agree. Point validated!
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[quote=regulator_cracka]You do realize if the Giants win the Superbowl that then Eli easily surpasses Rodgers on that list, right?
2 rings > 1. Not to mention Eli did it from Wildcard to Superbowl, twice. Very tough to do.
He already surpassed Rodgers...one ring plus one extra Superbowl appearance.
True, but this win would cement it!
By this logic, Big Ben is in front of both of them. 3 trips, 2 wins (1 win actually was from wildcard - 2005).
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wait, are we talking superbowls or rape cases?
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Trent Dilfer has a ring. That must put him in the top 10.
Morons.
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Trent Dilfer has a ring. That must put him in the top 10.
Morons.
You obviously lost track of the conversation turn, we, at least I, was just saying those who come before Rodgers. And Eli would be one of them and raper. But then again I do not feel Rodgers is even in the top 15 to begin with.
*And actually Rodger's number + wins would still be >>> than Dilfer's blind luck one year.
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Trent Dilfer has a ring. That must put him in the top 10.
Morons.
dont forget Jeff Hostetler!
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if we are talking best of all time then favre definitely doesn't belong on the list and neither does rodgers....give rodgers a few more years an i'm sure he will go down as one of the best ever
my list would be
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2) Elway
3) Marino
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Based on championships alone, Bart Starr is #1.
He won 5 championships in 7 years; 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966 and 1967.
Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw have 4 each.
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Based on championships alone, Bart Starr is #1.
He won 5 championships in 7 years; 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966 and 1967.
Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw have 4 each.
Brady will probably have 4 after this year, right? So there would be your top 4, which order would then have to depend on stats + awards like MVPs etc etc. Some rating system would have to mathematically formulated for accuracy. *And you know Aikman has 3 so he would be close next in line.
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Based on championships alone, Bart Starr is #1.
He won 5 championships in 7 years; 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966 and 1967.
Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw have 4 each.
Brady will probably have 4 after this year, right? So there would be your top 4, which order would then have to depend on stats + awards like MVPs etc etc. Some rating system would have to mathematically formulated for accuracy. *And you know Aikman has 3 so he would be close next in line.
that's the tough part...
and is it fair to compare and limit a 12 team 4 round championship to a 2 team 1 game championship?
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It's foolish to rate by championships alone.
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So we are in agreement then that its
1) Bart Starr
2) Aaron Rodgers
3) Lynn Dickey
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It's foolish to rate by championships alone.
I didn't. I said start with Championships and then put some type of math value to things like passing yards, touchdowns, wins, etc , some with higher values than others, and then let the math sort out the ones that are tied in rings and work down.
I think we are all in agreement that Rodgers is probably stuck holding michael vick's jockstrap for now. /agree.
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So we are in agreement then that its
1) Bart Starr
2) Aaron Rodgers
3) Lynn Dickey
etc etc etc?
sure, if you are only talking about QB's in the turnover machine!
Starr and Rodgers are the oddities.
Dickey had only 4 seasons in GB where he threw more TD's than INT's and one of them was 5-4 in a 5 game season!
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It's foolish to rate by championships alone.
pretty sure we all agree with that.
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It's foolish to rate by championships alone.
pretty sure we all agree with that.
Yes and No, you have to start with rings. The real best win big in crunch time and that is that.
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It's foolish to rate by championships alone.
pretty sure we all agree with that.
Yes and No, you have to start with rings. The real best win big in crunch time and that is that.
Not in football you don't. Too many factors. Trent Dilfer is NOT a better QB than Marino or Tarkenton.
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if we are talking best of all time then favre definitely doesn't belong on the list and neither does rodgers....give rodgers a few more years an i'm sure he will go down as one of the best ever
my list would be
1) Montana
2) Elway
3) Marino
4) Manning
5) Brady
6) Staubach
7) Young
8) Unitas
9) Graham
10) Jim Kelly/Brees
That's a pretty good list. I would put Tarkenton at number 8, 9 or 10 though.
Rodgers will get there eventually.
Majikowski? GTFO Cutt. Stop trolling your Failpackers of yesteryear.
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in football you don't. Too many factors. Trent Dilfer is NOT a better QB than Marino or Tarkenton.
you obviously do not understand football then.
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the 80's and 90's was the golden age for super QBs and football in general IMO
we have good stuff now.....but man nothing compares to the rivalries of those times.....
hell...it was the best time in sports all around....basketball and hockey and baseball
maybe it's just me....but when you talk about all time greats from each of those sports....look how many come from that time period
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NeoKarnak posted:
in football you don't. Too many factors. Trent Dilfer is NOT a better QB than Marino or Tarkenton.
you obviously do not understand football then.
I have forgotten more football than you will ever know.
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failed internet assumption.
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in football you don't. Too many factors. Trent Dilfer is NOT a better QB than Marino or Tarkenton.
you obviously do not understand football then.
Yeah, I had nothing, so I was just messing with you. Yes, as in mathematics, Dilfer would be one of many unexplainable anomalies in ranking QBs.
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in football you don't. Too many factors. Trent Dilfer is NOT a better QB than Marino or Tarkenton.
you obviously do not understand football then.
Yeah, I had nothing, so I was just messing with you. Yes, as in mathematics, Dilfer would be one of many unexplainable anomalies in ranking QBs.
No worries. I still think Emmitt was a great RB (just not as good as Barry) 
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Emmitt Smith was a product of one of the best O-lines ever. Vastly over rated, not even in top 5 for RBs
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Emmitt Smith was a product of one of the best O-lines ever. Vastly over rated, not even in top 5 for RBs
he leads the NFL in career rushing yards and TD's. Yeah, he is a top 5 all time.
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Brady's the best QB in history. Manning's probably 4th or so.
Joe Montana disagrees.
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The most awesome flash in the pan RB of all time had to be Bo Jackson.
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Emmitt Smith was a product of one of the best O-lines ever. Vastly over rated, not even in top 5 for RBs
he leads the NFL in career rushing yards and TD's. Yeah, he is a top 5 all time.
He is just trolling because I put his boy in his place. Or cutt is just brain dead? Which is it?
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Not sure I can even put him in the top 10
1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Bart Starr
3) Don Majikowski
4) John Elway
5) Tom Brady
6) Steve Young
7) Joe Montana
8) Lynn Dickie
9) Roger Staubach
10) Brett Favre
I got to laugh too.
Brett farve is higher then number 10 certainly higher then Majikowski. If Brady wins the super bowl next week that should make him number 1 all time. Joe Montana should be 2 elway 3 and then manning 4. Steve young as good as he was doesnt belong on a top ten qb of all time and if he did it wouldnt be ahead of Joe Montana,roger staubach or Brett Favre.
Also I dont think you can compare a qb from 1950 to a qb playing in 2010 so people like brett star should be on another list. Sure bart star was the best qb of his era but would he even be a back up in today's NFL ?
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Regardless of which stats you pick to compare, it's pointless to disregard the NFL rule changes when comparing "historic" to "modern" QB's (and players in general). Taking the rules into account, you'd have to increase the #'s on past QB's who weren't coddled/wrapped in a protective bubble by the league. You also have to factor in that DB's hands' (shoulders, heads,etc) weren't tied when it came to brutal hits on the receivers. Add tuck rules and other such nonsense and the picture keeps getting muddier.
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If Brady wins the super bowl next week that should make him number 1 all time. Joe Montana should be 2
How you figure that? Montana won four, and was perfect in the big game. Brady has choked in the Super Bowl, tying Montana's wins does not surpass him. That is like saying Bill Russell should be ranked as greater than Michael Jordan.
Brady can never be better than Montana even if he manages to win 5. He choked.
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Regardless of which stats you pick to compare, it's pointless to disregard the NFL rule changes when comparing "historic" to "modern" QB's (and players in general). Taking the rules into account, you'd have to increase the #'s on past QB's who weren't coddled/wrapped in a protective bubble by the league. You also have to factor in that DB's hands' (shoulders, heads,etc) weren't tied when it came to brutal hits on the receivers. Add tuck rules and other such nonsense and the picture keeps getting muddier.
If Montana and Marino were playing with today's rules the records they had set would be completely untouchable.
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Emmitt Smith was a product of one of the best O-lines ever. Vastly over rated, not even in top 5 for RBs
he leads the NFL in career rushing yards and TD's. Yeah, he is a top 5 all time.
1 Jim Brown
2 Barry Sanders
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If Brady wins the super bowl next week that should make him number 1 all time. Joe Montana should be 2
How you figure that? Montana won four, and was perfect in the big game. Brady has choked in the Super Bowl, tying Montana's wins does not surpass him. That is like saying Bill Russell should be ranked as greater than Michael Jordan.
Brady can never be better than Montana even if he manages to win 5. He choked.
he might of won four but getting to the superbowl should count for something too. brady lost a superbowl but he still got their 5 times.
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All the top 10 lists of QBs in this thread are borked, as they neglect Troy Aikman.
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Troy Aikman might not even make a top 40 list.
Not only is Aikman one of the best QBs ever, he's also the best color commentator of all time.
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Troy Aikman might not even make a top 40 list.
Not only is Aikman one of the best QBs ever, he's also the best color commentator of all time.
lol, when he did the pats-giant games his commentary on that eli manning david tyree catch... one of the best plays in superbowl history was..."WOW" ben stein style.
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top 10 but not top 5, only having one ring limits him when being graded against other great quarterbacks..
he will be a first ballot hall of fame'er though.
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Troy Aikman might not even make a top 40 list.
Not only is Aikman one of the best QBs ever, he's also the best color commentator of all time.
False, you must be confusing him with John Madden
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Troy Aikman might not even make a top 40 list.
Not only is Aikman one of the best QBs ever, he's also the best color commentator of all time.
yet everything good he does is overshadowed by that tool bag Joe Buck!
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I don't even care about Joe Buck's bias.
Um, I wasn't aware of buck's bias. What team is he biased towards... the rams???
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If Brady wins the super bowl next week that should make him number 1 all time. Joe Montana should be 2
How you figure that? Montana won four, and was perfect in the big game. Brady has choked in the Super Bowl, tying Montana's wins does not surpass him. That is like saying Bill Russell should be ranked as greater than Michael Jordan.
Brady can never be better than Montana even if he manages to win 5. He choked.
he might of won four but getting to the superbowl should count for something too. brady lost a superbowl but he still got their 5 times.
Yeah, it counts for something. He choked and blew a perfect season and a chance for immortality. Montana never choked.
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I don't even care about Joe Buck's bias.
Um, I wasn't aware of buck's bias. What team is he biased towards... the rams???
oddly enough, no...he sucks off anything NY generally...especially baseball.
i've heard him several times talking about NY teams (both football and baseball) when they are not involved in the games.
does this a lot during red sox games...talks more Yankees than Sox and opponent.
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So it looks like Manning is probably out in Indy, where does he rate all time if he retires now?
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oddly enough, no...he sucks off anything NY generally...especially baseball.
i've heard him several times talking about NY teams (both football and baseball) when they are not involved in the games.
does this a lot during red sox games...talks more Yankees than Sox and opponent.
I've never really noticed buck voice any opinion about any team. I've seen him cover the giants a bunch of times and he definitely is sucking anything off there. But maybe I don't notice with how Anti-Giant Troy Aikman is.
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