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http://nation.foxnews.com/mitt-romney/2012/01/24/whos-greedy-obama-gave-1-charity-romney-gave-15
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign.
The Obamas increased the amount they gave to charity when their income rose in 2005 and 2006 after the Illinois senator published a bestselling book. The $137,622 they gave over those two years amounted to more than 5 percent of their $2.6 million income.
Romney charitable contributions
Tax year Taxable income Charitable donations Donations as % of income
2010 $21.7 million $2.98 million 13.73%
2011 (est) $20.9 million $4 million 19.14%
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/mitt-romney/2012/01/24/whos-greedy-obama-gave-1-charity-romney-gave-15#ixzz1kPhGOGPm
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To be fair God demands a cut, so Romney didn't really have a choice.
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I beleive Muslims are supposed to give too though.
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Everyone knows Obama is a godless person.
You can't smile that big while lying to the people supporting you and also have a soul.
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Looks like the Romney's needed to give another $33 million to charity the last few years to catch up to the Obama's.
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It's easy to give away so much when all you do is steal it to begin with... Easy come, easy go as they say.
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Yes, so why didn't Obama give more then? 
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What, giving away political momentum, his base, and the 2010 election don't count as charity?
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Skinnyrumcakes posted:
http://nation.foxnews.com/mitt-romney/2012/01/24/whos-greedy-obama-gave-1-charity-romney-gave-15
Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and his wife Michelle gave $10,772 of the $1.2 million they earned from 2000 through 2004 to charities, or less than 1 percent, according to tax returns for those years released today by his campaign.
that's pretty pathetic.
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I don't care how much a person gives to charity.
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The 1.2 million is for 4 years. So they were really making 250k/year.
Comparing the % given to charity by a couple earning 250k/year and 20 million a year is pretty stupid.
Doesn't surprise me SRC was the one to do it.
P.S. They were also taxed at a much higher rate. If they had been taxed at the same % Romney was they could have given the same % to charity as he did and still had the same take-home income.
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What, giving away political momentum, his base, and the 2010 election don't count as charity?
EDIT: And his soul, what are soul's worth these days? Selling his soul outta count for something.
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The 1.2 million is for 4 years. So they were really making 250k/year.
Comparing the % given to charity by a couple earning 250k/year and 20 million a year is pretty stupid.
Doesn't surprise me SRC was the one to do it.
P.S. They were also taxed at a much higher rate. If they had been taxed at the same % Romney was they could have given the same % to charity as he did and still had the same take-home income.
FoxNews doesn't let facts get in the way of a good spin piece.
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What, giving away political momentum, his base, and the 2010 election don't count as charity?
This is goddam beautiful!
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The 1.2 million is for 4 years. So they were really making 250k/year.
Comparing the % given to charity by a couple earning 250k/year and 20 million a year is pretty stupid.
Doesn't surprise me SRC was the one to do it.
P.S. They were also taxed at a much higher rate. If they had been taxed at the same % Romney was they could have given the same % to charity as he did and still had the same take-home income.
I gave around 9k to charity last year, and I make under six figures. So in four years, at 250k a year, they gave 10k.
I'm guessing you don't give a shit about charity to suggest 10k over four years by people who make 1.2 million is ok. Lets hope someday you aren't in need and live in a liberal area.
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His cult counts as a charity, dumbass. Just because you idiots give your money to representatives of the Invisible Man in the Sky doesn't make you better people. It makes you stupid. hth
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If you've seen all the things Michelle Antionette spends other people's money on, you'd understand why they'd be stingy when it comes to giving theirs away.
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I'll give Romney credit for going above and beyond, but from the moment he was born he was expected to pay 10% of everything he earned to his church. I don't exactly consider that "charity".
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The truth is liberals dont give as much to charity because they expect the government to do it by taxing people and then giving that money to other people.
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Anything you claim on your taxes is not Charity imo. Charity is given without expectation of a return. Using it as an excuse to avoid paying taxes defeats the purposes.
As does keeping score.
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We have a simple system, my wife gives to charity and I shut up and claim it on my taxes.
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Tithing is not giving. But i'm sure Fox News deducted that.
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It is giving
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giving to your own church that you benefit from is hardly charity. not that Mitt is a bad example of this. I think he likely is a charitable person. but people who pay tithes are not the same as someone who gives money to feed the poor.
paying the electric bill for your mega churches gourmet espresso machine and calling that charity is hilarious.
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Tithing to the Mormon church is not charity.
If that's true then Tom Cruise and Travolta can claim their Scientology dues.
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It is giving
It's a bill. Paying your cable bill isn't giving either.
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Tithing to the Mormon church is not charity.
If that's true then Tom Cruise and Travolta can claim their Scientology dues.
I'd be surprised if they don't.
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In other news:
The Bidens gave an average of $369 to charity a year for the decade before he moved to the Naval Observatory - about 0.3 percent of their income. Back in 1997, then veep Al Gore and his then wife Tipper gave $353.
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So it's better that Obama gave money to Jerimiah Wright for 20 years?
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I thought you said they were stingy and didn't give their money away.
You need to make up your mind Fred.
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Hey I give to my church that then gives me stuff! I'm charitable!
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Classic "Look! Over there!" thread. Romney pays a smaller % of his taxes than cops, nurses, teachers, small business owners,, not to mention that most of his income isn't subject to payroll taxes, and the right tries to shift the subject to charity.
Yes, it is nice he gives so much to charity. But, what does that have to do with the fact that he pays very low taxes compared to most wage earners?
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Wow you are an idiot. You know he's paying capital gains, not regular income right? That means he already paid the top rate on the money, and this is reinvested. The lengths libs will go to...
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Liberals hate facts like this. Instead of saying liberals should give more they attack those who give for making them look bad.
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Also: the mormons have no paid ministry so there goes the "it's all going to the mega church's coffee machine"...and yep, no coffee for mormons either.
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In other news:
The Bidens gave an average of $369 to charity a year for the decade before he moved to the Naval Observatory - about 0.3 percent of their income. Back in 1997, then veep Al Gore and his then wife Tipper gave $353.
And how much of his taxes did he wiggle out of 'legally'?
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The 1.2 million is for 4 years. So they were really making 250k/year.
Comparing the % given to charity by a couple earning 250k/year and 20 million a year is pretty stupid.
Doesn't surprise me SRC was the one to do it.
P.S. They were also taxed at a much higher rate. If they had been taxed at the same % Romney was they could have given the same % to charity as he did and still had the same take-home income.
Your math is fuzzy.
1.2 million over 4 years is 300k. You effectively reduced his income over 4 years by 200k. (That is a lot of money in the real world.)
Obama's charitable contributions over 4 years, which I noticed we did not do the math on, comes out to 2693/year.
No matter the argument, I think it is safe to say that earning 300k and giving that little is not charitable.
Romney made 21.7 million.
Gave ~1.5 million to charities outside of his church.
Gave another ~1.5 million to his church.
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Wow you are an idiot. You know he's paying capital gains, not regular income right? That means he already paid the top rate on the money, and this is reinvested. The lengths libs will go to...
Holy crap you are an idiot...
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Yukishiro1 posted:
The 1.2 million is for 4 years. So they were really making 250k/year.
Comparing the % given to charity by a couple earning 250k/year and 20 million a year is pretty stupid.
Doesn't surprise me SRC was the one to do it.
P.S. They were also taxed at a much higher rate. If they had been taxed at the same % Romney was they could have given the same % to charity as he did and still had the same take-home income.
Your math is fuzzy.
1.2 million over 4 years is 300k. You effectively reduced his income over 4 years by 200k. (That is a lot of money in the real world.)
Obama's charitable contributions over 4 years, which I noticed we did not do the math on, comes out to 2693/year.
No matter the argument, I think it is safe to say that earning 300k and giving that little is not charitable.
Romney made 21.7 million.
Gave ~1.5 million to charities outside of his church.
Gave another ~1.5 million to his church.
Holy crap you are an even bigger idiot...
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Why?
Those are the stats.
Am I missing something?
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name calling ftw!!! wins every time bitchez
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Shut up, idiot.
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stevenmeadowsin posted:
name calling ftw!!! wins every time bitchez
you know what else wins every time?
Reality!
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Well of course, and name calling!!
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stevenmeadowsin posted:
name calling ftw!!! wins every time bitchez
stevenmeadowsin 10 posts ago posted:
Wow you are an idiot.
Seriously aids itt
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Well of course, and name calling!!
Says the guy who thinks Romney made his money to invest paying the top rate...
Romney has never paid the top rate, and never will... He was born paying less than the top rate, never will pay the top rate, and will continue pissing on people like you who do pay the top rate while asking you to continue supporting him...
Holy eff you are a moron!
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Im glad he gave to charity, thats a very good quality.
But i dont care about that.. I think when someone is taking home that much money then it makes very little sense that incentivized (or shall we say subsidized) tax rates are still available.
For instance, i never got to take advantage of student loan interest deductions - i always made too much. It makes sense that the deduction should be for people who need it more than i did. I wasnt rich, i earned my degree, i earned my job, etc.. I deserved my success but i felt it reasonable that my loan interest not be deductible.
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What our troll always fails to point out is the tax Rommney pays in on already taxed money. Liberals are good at giving you have the story and letting you decide. If you add up all the taxes it is a lot more than 15%. I hate liars and liberals; but I'm being redundent.
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No, it is not a tax on already taxed money. It is a tax on money earned from already taxed money.
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Outpost Liberals posted:
We do not consider ANY giving by evil Republicans to be charity. No matter WHO they give to it's just part of their evil conspiracy. The fact that we only "give" in the form of stolen wealth (i.e. excessive taxation) is NOT important!
Oh, it's all so clear now, thx!
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Wow you are an idiot. You know he's paying capital gains, not regular income right? That means he already paid the top rate on the money, and this is reinvested. The lengths libs will go to...
Well, you completely miss the point. Yes, he paid the top rate for investment income. The thing is, the top rate for investment income is 15%. The top rate for people who actually work is 35%. Plus, 12.4% in payroll taxes. I'll bet a pretty fair number of right wing Outposters pay a higher rate than Romney. Yet, they will scream about class warfare if Obama talks about raising the capital gains rate. And, they will also argue that the folks who have been paying that 12.4% their entire working lives should have to take a cut in their payback, because, well, just because. Shared sacrifice, you know.
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Groucho48 posted:
stevenmeadowsin posted:
Wow you are an idiot. You know he's paying capital gains, not regular income right? That means he already paid the top rate on the money, and this is reinvested. The lengths libs will go to...
Well, you completely miss the point. Yes, he paid the top rate for investment income. The thing is, the top rate for investment income is 15%. The top rate for people who actually work is 35%. Plus, 12.4% in payroll taxes. I'll bet a pretty fair number of right wing Outposters pay a higher rate than Romney. Yet, they will scream about class warfare if Obama talks about raising the capital gains rate. And, they will also argue that the folks who have been paying that 12.4% their entire working lives should have to take a cut in their payback, because, well, just because. Shared sacrifice, you know.
Nope...I get the point and don't necessarily disagree. If you want to argue changing the capital gains rate we can do it. It's the libs in this thread that are comparing 2 different tax rates, acting as if they were the same thing.
And the change of subject by those unwilling to admit Obama's charitable giving is lacking is really the point. Seriously you make 1.2 million over 4 years and give $2500 a year...that's pathetic by any standard. But some libs would rather change the subject than just admit it and move along.
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I always thought the 14% rate was available to anyone who invests in our economy, my investments are taxed at the same rate.
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BUT HE IS RICH!!!!!!!!!!11111
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Six million paid to just the federal government is a lot in taxes.
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stevenmeadowsin posted:
And the change of subject by those unwilling to admit Obama's charitable giving is lacking is really the point. Seriously you make 1.2 million over 4 years and give $2500 a year...that's pathetic by any standard. But some libs would rather change the subject than just admit it and move along.
The Obama's lived on 247,000 a year and gave the rest to charity.
The Romneys lived on almost 18 million a year and gave the rest to charity. If the Romneys want to keep up with the Obama's, they needed to donate another 17+ million.
This is an odd way for people to try to deify their political favorites and demonize their political opponents.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
What our troll always fails to point out is the tax Rommney pays in on already taxed money.
No it isn't. Not any more than any money is already taxed money.
This is the stupidest defense of capital gains imaginable. It doesn't surprise me that you and that other idiot are the ones making it.
Capital gains applies only to the GAIN you get on your CAPITAL. Funny how names work, isn't it? You arn't taxed on what you already have.
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