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I love how people pretend special teams aren't based on skill like every other part of football.
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The only non-skill part of the Patriots Ravens game was the refball portion, and that worked against the Patriots when the refs called a good pass incomplete, denying the Patriots a vital first down.
Everything else, pure skill. If the Ravens were able to make their kicking plays, the Patriots still would have scrapped their way to an OT win anyways.
Same for the Giants 49ers game; special teams are skill, not luck.
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Special Teams are a huge part of the game. The game should be thought of in 3rds. 1/3 offense. 1/3 defense. 1/3 special teams. Typically you need to win 2 of those 3 phases to win a game.
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Cuttlery posted:
Special Teams are a huge part of the game. The game should be thought of in 3rds. 1/3 offense. 1/3 defense. 1/3 special teams. Typically you need to win 2 of those 3 phases to win a game.
You can get by with just a run of the mill, get the job done special teams. Like you could win a super-bowl with the 16th-20th ranked special teams. You usually need an exceptional offense/defense, compared to the other teams, to go all the way.
So while important I wouldn't split it 3 ways.
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I would not say "skill" since it is so infrequent and chaotic most times, however, I definitely know it is a combination of preparation (coaching) and hustle! There is always a slim factor of luck in special teams, but luck can be manufactured with repetition.
Repetition is the father of skill.
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it sucks to be special teams because 90% of the time you are just doing what is expected. if you are doing your job well then you aren't noticeable, only when you do something miraculous like a big punt return or a block are you getting street cred.
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It's easiest to make special team. What does that tell you?
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Disagree Rapist, ST is at least 30% of winning.
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I think they should make a sport of doing nothing but kick offs. Most fun part of the game ever 
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regulator_cracka posted:
I would not say "skill" since it is so infrequent and chaotic most times, however, I definitely know it is a combination of preparation (coaching) and hustle! There is always a slim factor of luck in special teams, but luck can be manufactured with repetition.
Repetition is the father of skill.
Special teams is all about fundamentals. "Don't screw it up" should be the motto of specials teams units everywhere.
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A lot of what Special Teams does doesn't show up very well in the box score. You very rarely see the statistic that shows where each team begins its drive, how many punts were inside the 20, opposing teams punt and kickoff return averages. These situations are often what cost or win you the game.
Instead of the team winning by a field goal, they lose by 10 points because they were covered well on punt returns, gave up big return yardage and allowed a kickoff return to score.
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With exception to Devin Hester of course, he has skillz! But got  blocked by the league with the new rules change.
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With exception to Devin Hester of course, he has skillz! But got blocked by the league with the new rules change.
Thats not even his fault, it was all the other fragile kick returners that thought they had the same speed and skills until they ran full speed into a nfl linebacker/linemen that was just killing them.
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special teams is game breaking. How many games are won and lost because of it?
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Disagree Rapist, ST is at least 30% of winning.
I do not disagree with that. I'm just saying it's easier to make special teams. That tells me it's lower skill.
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Disagree Rapist, ST is at least 30% of winning.
I do not disagree with that. I'm just saying it's easier to make special teams. That tells me it's lower skill.
Most of that has to do with the price of players.
Most coaches dont want to play their stars on special teams because of injury issues.
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Ladies and Gentlemen, one of the best special teams plays ever:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_City_Miracle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPhONc6xC48
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football is a game of inches.
great special teams play can certainly give you enough positional advantage to win games.
however, with the new kickoff rules, it's slightly less important these days - however still vital to games.
ex1
the patriots dynasty have always had an extremely reliable place kicker - which secured many close wins for them. including a superbowl against the rams.
counter example
the STL Rams have had a great place kicker and one of the best punters in the league for the last 10+ years. the rams haven't won more than 8 games in a decade.
personal example
our high school football team was one of the few teams to actually have a place kicker. many other teams wouldn't even attempt field goals over 15 yards and they would always resigned to going for 2 point conversions because their kicker was only 50% on point after attempts.
special teams can help you win or lose close ballgames because football is a game of inches.
in today's league many of the top teams have comparable offense/defense. you need whatever slight advantage you can get to win.
if you have a booming coffin corner punter, you defense has a lot more flex in it.
if you have a PK who can nail 50+ yarders your offense stalls aren't as bad.
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