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Subject: Is it more ok for women to be lesbians than it is for men to be gay?
Society nowadays seem to be a little more cool with chicks dating each other than men dating each other.

 

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Straight men have always been quite ok with lesbians dating each other (especially if they got video footage to go with it) than with men dating each other. Gay men are catching up though, minus the video footage stuff

 

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It's much more natural for women to be bi imo but being gay is as natural as being hetero..

 

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Only if they are hot.

 

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Only if they are hot.




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Its more ok because the female form is WAY more attractive than the male form

 

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Subject: Is it more ok for women to be lesbians than it is for men to be gay?
Lesbians are boring.

 

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Subject: Is it more ok for women to be lesbians than it is for men to be gay?
It's more accepted especially if they are hot.

But if you ever really stop and think about it, it's really just as 'gross'. But to each his own.

 

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Subject: Is it more ok for women to be lesbians than it is for men to be gay?
Generally speaking, yes.

I think gender identity moreso than sexual orientation is the line where acceptance/misfit truly happens.

 

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Taliesihne posted:
Lesbians are boring.

You're doing it wrong.

 

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If you are trying to nail a lesbian, you are indeed doing it wrong.

 

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No. But if your bisexual wife lures them in for a SURPRISE ORGY its all good.

 

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reesescups posted:
But if you ever really stop and think about it, it's really just as 'gross'.


If you really think about it, all sex is gross.

At some point mainstream culture decided that for heterosexual men, it's not just about having a deep desire for woman as it had always been, but a loathing of men and the male form. The male body is not just unexciting and useless as it had always been, but repugnant and worthy of open scorn, even provoking faux-gag reflex. I used to see it a lot back when I was in the closet from some of my old boys, even the ones who were not really bigoted.

This phenomenon permeates the entire culture, and affects many people's attitudes. Thankfully it seems as though many are becoming less worried about proving this negative.

 

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Most of men are ok with some sushi lapping but NOT ok with their peens getting in direct contact with someone elses poop sick

It's all about fantasies and self-projecting

 

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Sea_of_inK posted:
reesescups posted:
But if you ever really stop and think about it, it's really just as 'gross'.


If you really think about it, all sex is gross.
Yeah kinda, I am not sure I'd say all, but the vast majority...

Just like most food is pretty gross when you stop and think about it.


IMO

Hell - whatever gets you through the day, go for it, as long as it's mutual and consensual. Just don't shove it in my face...

 

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Males are threatening.

 

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women don't stick a hairy appendage in a place you poop from.

 

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Subject: Is it more ok for women to be lesbians than it is for men to be gay?
it comes down to what and who you want to see and what you find attractive. The vast majority of people find women attractive.

At the end of the day i'd rather hang out with gay dudes than lesbians, based on my experience. but if I had to watch either group copulate the choice would be easy.

 

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Less okay, I don't like options taken away from me.

 

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both are equally wrong and equally perverted

 

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Why?

 

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eating out at the y is awesome. I can't believe you've never tried it Mascara... well actually i can.

 

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Sea_of_inK posted:
reesescups posted:
But if you ever really stop and think about it, it's really just as 'gross'.


If you really think about it, all sex is gross.

At some point mainstream culture decided that for heterosexual men, it's not just about having a deep desire for woman as it had always been, but a loathing of men and the male form. The male body is not just unexciting and useless as it had always been, but repugnant and worthy of open scorn, even provoking faux-gag reflex. I used to see it a lot back when I was in the closet from some of my old boys, even the ones who were not really bigoted.

This phenomenon permeates the entire culture, and affects many people's attitudes. Thankfully it seems as though many are becoming less worried about proving this negative.


Good call. I received a compliment at work from a guy at work about something (hair, stache, hat, shirt... Can't remember) and I asked if I looked good. He got really awkward and told me to ask a woman. I'm not sure if he thought I was asking if he would go gay for me or what. I work with a bunch of homophobes though, so go figure.

 

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i dont watch much lesbian porn myself. i love women but lesbians in a way bother me because I think, "man that's one hot chick who I'll never get with".

Bi women are another story <3

 

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GrilledCheez posted:
it comes down to what and who you want to see and what you find attractive. The vast majority of people find women attractive.

At the end of the day i'd rather hang out with gay dudes than lesbians, based on my experience. but if I had to watch either group copulate the choice would be easy.


I'd rather be friends with lesbians AND i'd prefer to watch them copulate.

I am pro-lesbian! flag

 

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Moe_Nox posted:
No. But if your bisexual wife lures them in for a SURPRISE ORGY its all good.


Lesbians are not bi-sexual. Bi-sexual chicks rock socks. Lesbians are boring, especially in a three way.

 

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BOTH ARE NASTY

 

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At the end of the day i'd rather hang out with gay dudes than lesbians, based on my experience. but if I had to watch either group copulate the choice would be easy.


Oh really?

 

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In pron both the women are feminine. IRL many times one is very masculine.

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BOTH ARE NASTY


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GrilledCheez posted:
At the end of the day i'd rather hang out with gay dudes than lesbians, based on my experience. but if I had to watch either group copulate the choice would be easy.


Oh really?




absolutely. Seeing two guys nail each other is the exact opposite of what I want to see.

 

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Seeing two guys nail each other is a turn off to most people. With women its different

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Depends on where you are. There are religious zealots in the south that are just likely to beat a woman to death for being gay as they would a man.

One of my STRAIGHT female friends actually had a guy throw a rock at her some years back and call her a "fucking dyke" because she was a cast remember of the university's showing of the vagina monologues and was wearing the cast t-shirt that said "I love vaginas"....
Had to go to the hospital and get something around 20 stitches in her forehead because of it.

She is/was even relatively hot. *shrug*

 

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Its more ok because the female form is WAY more attractive than the male form


Not to women and gay men, apparently.

 

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Lesbians seem to want to shove it in your face that they shun cock.. Gay men on the other hand seem more easy going.

 

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That's because they're trying to stick it in your pooper.

 

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Lesbians are nasty evil bitches that aren't going to give you any no matter how much or how well you plead your case...Bi-sexual women on the other hand are as sweet as pie. hugs

 

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Every lesbian is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual.

 

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Every lesbian is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual.


Orly? O.o Now that's a new one in an already enlightening thread. A man's ego is always amusing.

Does that mean the reverse is true? In that every gay man is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual?

 

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Moe_Nox posted:
Every lesbian is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual.


Orly? O.o Now that's a new one in an already enlightening thread. A man's ego is always amusing.

Does that mean the reverse is true? In that every gay man is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual?


Probably. But what's even more important is how few drinks straight men are away from being bi-sexual. You'd be surprised... grin

 

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Jorrdan posted:
Moe_Nox posted:
Every lesbian is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual.


Orly? O.o Now that's a new one in an already enlightening thread. A man's ego is always amusing.

Does that mean the reverse is true? In that every gay man is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual?


Probably. But what's even more important is how few drinks straight men are away from being bi-sexual. You'd be surprised... grin


Having a number of gay male friends, I believe THAT before the former! I've seen it.

 

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Moe_Nox posted:
Every lesbian is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual.


No, real Lesbians tend to hate Bi-sexuals even more then men.

 

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Moe_Nox posted:
Every lesbian is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual.


See I always thought you'd get farther with a lesbian by cooking for her than by getting her drunk...




With respect to the OP - the male ego is pretty funny. Most men think that lesbians are only gay because they haven't met the right penis yet.

Generally, gay women seem to be more "accepted" than gay men... though that all seems to be changing, which is good!

 

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I've seen a college lesbian or two turn straight.

 

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I've seen a college lesbian or two turn straight.


Meh, I think many so-called "college lesbians" are doing it as an experiment only, or as a way to piss off daddy because there aren't enough black men around for them to date instead or something.

 

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Cawlin posted:
Moe_Nox posted:
Every lesbian is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual.


See I always thought you'd get farther with a lesbian by cooking for her than by getting her drunk...




With respect to the OP - the male ego is pretty funny. Most men think that lesbians are only gay because they haven't met the right penis yet.

Generally, gay women seem to be more "accepted" than gay men... though that all seems to be changing, which is good!


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Subject: Is it more ok for women to be lesbians than it is for men to be gay?
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[quote=Moe_Nox]Every lesbian is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual.


Orly? O.o Now that's a new one in an already enlightening thread. A man's ego is always amusing.

Does that mean the reverse is true? In that every gay man is 4 drinks away from being bi-sexual?


Probably. But what's even more important is how few drinks straight men are away from being bi-sexual. You'd be surprised... grin


Having a number of gay male friends, I believe THAT before the former! I've seen it.[/quote]

Buncha lies.
I won't so much as to even make out with a man for less than.... 12 beers.

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isn't 12 beers equal or less than 4 real drinks? grin

 

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It all has to do with ego. Men think all lesbians would bang them if only they knew what they were missing so they like them. Straight men fear gay men because their ego tells them any gay man is one bar of soap away from raping them because they are so attractive no gay man could resist them.

Women have their own issues but that sort of ego-centrism isn't really one of them. Women have never been nearly as intersted in controlling people's bedroom behavior as men have. It probably has a biological component having to do with child birth that even rubs off to same-sex conduct.

 

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It all has to do with ego. Men think all lesbians would bang them if only they knew what they were missing so they like them. Straight men fear gay men because their ego tells them any gay man is one bar of soap away from raping them because they are so attractive no gay man could resist them.

Women have their own issues but that sort of ego-centrism isn't really one of them. Women have never been nearly as intersted in controlling people's bedroom behavior as men have. It probably has a biological component having to do with child birth that even rubs off to same-sex conduct.


Not true. Straight women have this same fear that lesbians will hit on them because they are so attractive they just can't be resisted. It's a straight issue in general. Maybe not as bad as men but it's there nevertheless.

 

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the typical lesbian is not fun to look at in my experience. they tend to look like a mess by choice. gay men are almost always at least well put together.

that said, i'd rather watch two fugly lesbians get it on than two anderson coopers every day and twice on sunday.

 

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Not true. Straight women have this same fear that lesbians will hit on them because they are so attractive they just can't be resisted. It's a straight issue in general.


Huh. Never come across that. I'll take your word for it though.

There's definitely a gender specific component though because because women arn't really known for raping people. I'm sure your average woman is much more afraid of being raped by a man than a woman (or of being hit on by a man you don't like, for that matter), and your average man is also much more afraid of being raped by a man than a woman.

 

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The issue is related to patriarchal views of male dominance.

Gender equality hasn't always been as prevalent as it is, especially in western culture. Women, from a cultural perspective, have often been viewed as "lesser than" their male counterparts. Thus, it is often an insult to a man to be feminized in any way. This is evident in derogatory language such as "pussy" to describe a weak man, or in sayings such as "You throw like a girl".

From a heterosexual point of view, male homosexual sex must force one or both participants into being "feminized", and essentially treated as a woman. This lowers their social status by seemingly taken on the role of what is perceived as the weaker gender.

This is ultimately what grosses most straight men out about homosexual sex. The notion that a man would freely allow himself to be feminized is socially repulsive to the average man.

In contrast, two lesbians engaging in sex are either feminizing each other - which is a status quo change of social class - or one is even asserting a dominate role, which is actually a climb up the social ladder. Therefore the act is not seen with nearly the same level as disgust as the same act between two men.

An interesting illustrative example is the socially condoned homosexual sex that existed in ancient Greek culture. Homosexual acts were widely accepted at the time; however, only between older men and very young men. It could only be that an older, bearded, man could have a relationship with a very young man, or even pubescent boy. Culturally, this was accepted, as the old man was feminizing someone of socially lesser rank, and therefore was retaining his dominant nature. Same-sex relationships involved two older men were seen as perverse and degrading, as at least one of the men would have had to allow himself to be feminized for the act to have taken place.

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Well Played Sin... Well Played.



I still don't like the idea of putting something in my butt though, no matter how empowered my wife or friends might feel to do so...

 

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Then don't.

Throughout history for some reason it's pretty much only men that have felt a need to say what random people can or cannot do in the bedroom with other consenting adults.

 

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You missed the point very nearly in its entirety.

 

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I still don't like the idea of putting something in my butt though



Me either. My wife doesn't either. My understanding is that there are also plenty of gay men who do not like that particular act, and engage in sex via other methods.

Here is an interesting paragraph from Wikipedia describing the contempt in ancient Greece for same-age same-sex male homosexuality:

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Given the importance in Greek society of cultivating the masculinity of the adult male and the perceived feminizing effect of being the passive partner, relations between adult men of comparable social status were considered highly problematic, and usually associated with social stigma. This stigma, however, was reserved for only the passive partner in the relationship. According to contemporary opinion, Greeks who engaged in passive homosexuality past the age at which they were the passive members of pederastic relationships "made a woman" of themselves; there is ample evidence in the theater of Aristophanes that derides these passive homosexuals and gives a glimpse of the type of biting social opprobrium heaped upon them by their society.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

 

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No, I just didn't have anything to say about that point.

I wasn't trying to single you out.

 

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Four pages into a thread about lesbians, and there is only one picture of hot lesbians?

 

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Crooq_Lionfang posted:
isn't 12 beers equal or less than 4 real drinks? grin


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Four pages into a thread about lesbians, and there is only one picture of hot lesbians?
And how many of said pics did you add to the thread?

 

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Sinlock posted:
From a heterosexual point of view, male homosexual sex must force one or both participants into being "feminized", and essentially treated as a woman. This lowers their social status by seemingly taken on the role of what is perceived as the weaker gender.

In contrast, two lesbians engaging in sex are either feminizing each other - which is a status quo change of social class - or one is even asserting a dominate role, which is actually a climb up the social ladder. Therefore the act is not seen with nearly the same level as disgust as the same act between two men.




This logic would lead to an abundance of straight only-tops. Our culture would view being the top in a male-male sex act as the ultimate establishment of masculinity, and as a symbol of power. We largely do not, and therein lies a double standard with other explanations. You may not be catching or being feminized, but your still 'gay'

This onion has many layers. Humanity has evolved to be skeptical of minorities or anything 'different'. It might've served us well once.

 

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Yukishiro1 posted:
Jorrdan posted:

Not true. Straight women have this same fear that lesbians will hit on them because they are so attractive they just can't be resisted. It's a straight issue in general.


Huh. Never come across that. I'll take your word for it though.

There's definitely a gender specific component though because because women arn't really known for raping people. I'm sure your average woman is much more afraid of being raped by a man than a woman (or of being hit on by a man you don't like, for that matter), and your average man is also much more afraid of being raped by a man than a woman.




Note: I wasn't speaking so much of 'raping' as being 'hit on'.

 

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Four pages into a thread about lesbians, and there is only one picture of hot lesbians?


Most of the exhibitionists are attention whoring cum dumpsters and not actual lesbians

 

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Note: I wasn't speaking so much of 'raping' as being 'hit on'.


Yeah, that was sort of my point. Women might not like getting hit on by other women but it isn't the sort of thing that keeps you up at night, is it?

Male fear of gay men has to do with fears of more than just being hit on and saying you arn't interested.

 

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Yukishiro1 posted:
Jorrdan posted:

Note: I wasn't speaking so much of 'raping' as being 'hit on'.


Yeah, that was sort of my point. Women might not like getting hit on by other women but it isn't the sort of thing that keeps you up at night, is it?

Male fear of gay men has to do with fears of more than just being hit on and saying you arn't interested.


Ah, I see. Now that is interesting. I wouldn't have thought that [that it went that far].

 

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I played strip poker with a couple of Lesbians.

 

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