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There goes the months left on my subscription. Fat chance they'll be issuing refunds to anyone.
The FBI is really overreaching. File sharing services get used for all sorts of stuff besides downloading illegal games and movies. Punishing everyone because of the game and movie pirates is going to backfire on them.
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Lol just use torrent.
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This is only the beginning
R.I.P.
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Why store things 'in the cloud' when some other schmucko in some random nation can get all your stuff seized and locked away by some random government agency?
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How come democrats are just as authoritarian in power as republicans?
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Why store things 'in the cloud' when some other schmucko in some random nation can get all your stuff seized and locked away by some random government agency?
Businesses will create Private Clouds. The only thing I will put on the cloud is stuff I know could be lost. Cloud computing will take a huge hit with this type of government actions. I took all my (all employees) off DropBox a long time ago. And other Cloud storage services.
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cant believe with as tight as budgets are they think this is a good use of money and resources.
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One of the biggest supporters of the democratic party is Hollywood money. This is the end result of that money being given democrats
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It's time to fight people. Or there will come a day when there will be no more free porno on the internet.
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Massive overreach. No one will be called on it though, this is all backed by the DoJ if not pushed by.
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I think there is huge lobbying from Hollywood not to mention big bucks being dumped into Washington and politicians greased hands to pass this rubbish into law.
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I just read the story about that Megaupload guy that got arrested.. incredible.
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This just shows how the money the politician gets affects the laws and policies they enforce. All of those special interests dont give all those millions of dollars and expect nothing in return
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Of course it is. but you guys were all using it to steal right?
So funny.
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I'm officially against stealing. ITS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!
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Shutting them down is overreaching.
Suing them for millions and charging the owners with criminal copyright infringement is the way to go.
Countries that chose to thumb their noses at our request to stop intellectual property theft should be met with massive tariffs and the removal of all copyright protection for their intellectual property here in the States. They are free to think stealing is freedom of speech and we are free to take action against it.
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Shutting them down is absolutely the right answer. They would be nowhere without illegal file sharing generating hits.
Half the stuff you guys think is legit isn't. Like unlicensed mods and such.
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is this going to affect my streaming pron?
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It already has. Megaporn has been down since the feds took down the others. It's only a short while before masturbation material becomes scarce like it was before the internet and the men of the word start to become agitated and high strung
SOPA might just have doomed the human race.
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At first everything on the internet was free and wild. Then the market crashed and the free money ran out. There sprung up many pay sites on the internet and it was still free. Now due to terrorism, crime, and hollywood we are seeing the beginning of the end of freedom on the internet
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Shutting them down is absolutely the right answer. They would be nowhere without illegal file sharing generating hits.
Half the stuff you guys think is legit isn't. Like unlicensed mods and such.
And on the other hand, Megaupload is a fine and cost effective place for sticking gigabyte files for sharing with other small business consultants when no one has an ftp site. It's also a great way to stick stuff up for our field people when they work in different states, but need access to developing info, dwgs, images, etc.
But I'm sure shutting down the site hasn't effected any legitimate users whatsoever and won't have any negative repercussions at all...
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irrelevant. Even if you are one hundred percent right then all those businesses are just leeching off the prosperity that megaupload is leeching off of the IP owners.
If your use alone could support a business model like that then there'd be plenty of legitimate places for those businesses that can't afford an ftp site (lol) to go.
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my BBS service offers a totally encrypted cloud service.
theyve even optimized it for use with android/mapple with a convenient app.
i only pay 25 bucks a month for unlimited downloading, SSL, cloud, anonymous browsing (aol style)...
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irrelevant. Even if you are one hundred percent right then all those businesses are just leeching off the prosperity that megaupload is leeching off of the IP owners.
If your use alone could support a business model like that then there'd be plenty of legitimate places for those businesses that can't afford an ftp site (lol) to go.
I understand that you don't care about legitimate users getting screwed, as long as you are aware that it is happening and that you are a maroon, all is good.
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File sharing services get used for all sorts of stuff besides downloading illegal games and movies. Punishing everyone because of the game and movie pirates is going to backfire on them.
 Who is this mythical person who used it for something other than porn, music, game or movie downloads?
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File sharing services get used for all sorts of stuff besides downloading illegal games and movies. Punishing everyone because of the game and movie pirates is going to backfire on them.
Who is this mythical person who used it for something other than porn, music, game or movie downloads?
I've had plenty of law firms that use files sharing sites to send us files that are too large to email.
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File sharing services get used for all sorts of stuff besides downloading illegal games and movies. Punishing everyone because of the game and movie pirates is going to backfire on them.
Who is this mythical person who used it for something other than porn, music, game or movie downloads?
Wait, that stuff can be used for music, games and movie download? 
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Cloud storage <> File sharing services. If you were using Megaupload as online storage, you were a moron of unprecedented depth and scope and deserved to lose your files.
That said, this is what happens when Congress won't do what the media companies want - they go after the Executive branch instead.
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I've had plenty of law firms that use files sharing sites to send us files that are too large to email.
Were your law firms using Megaupload? If so, they're idiots, but given your track record I think the more likely explanation is that you're mistaking more reputable file storing services like Dropbox for file sharing services.
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Every service on the Internet is to be considered illegal until we approve it. You're a moron for using it!
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The lack of subtlety in the operation is a bit unnerving, like when they used DHS to shut down foreign-operated streaming services. This is one area where having a Ron Paul administration would really help. Too bad he'd do really stupid things like vetoing debt ceiling votes and budgets, too.
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I've had plenty of law firms that use files sharing sites to send us files that are too large to email.
Were your law firms using Megaupload? If so, they're idiots, but given your track record I think the more likely explanation is that you're mistaking more reputable file storing services like Dropbox for file sharing services.
Last one I got was for SugarSync. It's the first time I even heard of it.
FYI, Dropbox changed their policy a while ago, stating that if the government were to subpoena them for your documents, they would give it up. Pretty much a given not to use them as a service if you are doing legal documents. 
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Of course it is. but you guys were all using it to steal right?
So funny.
Sort of.
I used my filesonic subscription to download soccer matches because there isn't a good broadcast source for them here in the U.S.. If Sky Sports had a U.S. subscription service I'd buy it but they don't. Since they don't I download the matches after the fact.
So although it is technically copyright violation I think it's even more of a stretch than usual to call that "stealing." If they made the product available in my jurisdiction I'd happily buy it, but they don't.
I'm sure you'll mock that as an irrelevant distinction but I really don't think it is. They are not losing any revenue from what I do which seems extremely relevant to the current discussion.
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Of course it is. but you guys were all using it to steal right?
So funny.
Sort of.
I used my filesonic subscription to download soccer matches because there isn't a good broadcast source for them here in the U.S.. If Sky Sports had a U.S. subscription service I'd buy it but they don't. Since they don't I download the matches after the fact.
So although it is technically copyright violation I think it's even more of a stretch than usual to call that "stealing." If they made the product available in my jurisdiction I'd happily buy it, but they don't.
Reason #37 why I would never hire Yuki as my defense attorney.
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You couldn't afford my hourly rate anyhow.
There's a reason it's called copyright infringement, not stealing. Equating the two is especially stupid in a situation where there isn't actually an option to buy the product so the infringement isn't even hurting their bottom line.
Now I don't doubt that sky sports itself might not want people pirating the matches within britain because that does cost them revenue. But that's their problem and britain's problem. Not the DOJ's problem.
Edit: My activities are actually a net fiscal plus for Sky. It doesn't cost them anything because they don't have to provide the service to my location, but they are getting more viewers and thus their advertising revenue goes up. So if anything my "stealing" is helping their bottom line, not hurting it.
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So although it is technically copyright violation I think it's even more of a stretch than usual to call that "stealing." If they made the product available in my jurisdiction I'd happily buy it, but they don't.
I'm sure you'll mock that as an irrelevant distinction but I really don't think it is. They are not losing any revenue from what I do which seems extremely relevant to the current discussion.
Quoted for hilarity.
Not losing revenue doesn't give you a free pass from stealing copyrighted material. I guess you failed that course in law school. It is illegal regardless of the use of the material.
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Did you miss the "sort of"?
He said stealing. I don't think you can call something stealing when to the extent it has any impact on their bottom line at all it's a positive one.
It's obviously still copyright infringement. That's a captain obvious statement. It is equally obvious Sky Sports couldn't care less if I'm watching their matches from a jurisdiction they don't broadcast in because it costs them nothing at all. To the extent they care it's because of the impact on subscriptions within Britain and thus on their bottom line.
Some of you people are really dense.
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These conversations always crack me uP because they are always the same no matter what dork I am talking to. The first ten seconds is an admission of guilt. And the next ten hours is justification. These always fall short to me for a pretty straightforward rEason. If your justification is legit then I'm sure the copyright holder already allows for it. If they don't then it isn't legit. The Idea that the infringor gets to decide impact and legitimacy of the infringement is nuts. And every one of you. Every single one would scoff if the roles were reversed.
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1. I don't use any of these sites
2. Enforcing all of them seems that it would have to be a massive undertaking
3. People who trade "security" with freedom usually end up with neither (that's a paraphrase of someone else's statement of course)
4. We have MUCH bigger problems in the US than what kid is fapping to whatever pr0n is the fotm.
5. See #4 again
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I think it's more about controlling information distribution on the internet. When the shit hits the fan and our economy is imploding, food shortages become a reality, people will be going insane and last thing the government will want is a coordinated rebellion..
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I strongly reject the concept of Intellectual Property.
I bet you'd change your tune if you wrote a book and no one bought it because they all got it off the internets for free.
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GC if you wanna suck big corp kawk there are better ones than media distro companies.
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GrilledCheezus posted:
If your justification is legit then I'm sure the copyright holder already allows for it. If they don't then it isn't legit. The Idea that the infringor gets to decide impact and legitimacy of the infringement is nuts. And every one of you. Every single one would scoff if the roles were reversed.
I assure you Sky Sports didn't shut down Filesonic because I was downloading their matches. They could care less. In fact to the extent it can be segregated they probably like it because it builds their brand overseas and gives their advertisers free viewers.
File sharing sites are used for a whole host of harmless activities that hurt no one. I am on board that pirating games or movies instead of buying them is not justifiable.
In another example, my wife and I watch Japanese TV through megaupload and other similar sites. It isn't broadcast here - and it's broadcast for free on Japaense TV - so it's not like we're costing the broadcaster anything. In fact they're getting more vieweres for their advertising. Is that also "stealing"?
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If you take something that someone else has the right to control your consumption of, and you consume it outside of their approval then I think it's stealing. I've never understood the impact defense to stealing. Especially when it comes to IP rights, because a lot of IP holders expressly allow certain unpaid consumption. So if you are taking from those that don't, I don't see how it can be anything but stealing.
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Kjarhall posted:
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I strongly reject the concept of Intellectual Property.
I bet you'd change your tune if you wrote a book and no one bought it because they all got it off the internets for free.
Because of my opinion on this I would never expect to make money off a book in the first place. If I ever write a book I'll be the first to upload it.
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NuEM posted:
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NuEM posted:
I strongly reject the concept of Intellectual Property.
I bet you'd change your tune if you wrote a book and no one bought it because they all got it off the internets for free.
Because of my opinion on this I would never expect to make money off a book in the first place. If I ever write a book I'll be the first to upload it.
congratulations on saying something that was not only completely retarded but also a lie. If you wrote a book and a publisher told you you could make a million dollars, or deutchmarks or bottle caps or whatever you guys use, off of it there is a zero percent chance you'd upload it for everyone to enjoy for free. A zero percent chance.
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congratulations on saying something that was not only completely retarded but also a lie. If you wrote a book and a publisher told you you could make a million dollars, or deutchmarks or bottle caps or whatever you guys use, off of it there is a zero percent chance you'd upload it for everyone to enjoy for free. A zero percent chance.
Google says you are completely dated in your business model.
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a zero percent chance.
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Repeating something makes it true.
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no the fact that it's true makes it true. I just repeated it because I thought your post was saying I was wrong. I'm not sure how your post refuted what i said, but I went ahead and repeated it just to make sure.
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no the fact that it's true makes it true. I just repeated it because I thought your post was saying I was wrong. I'm not sure how your post refuted what i said, but I went ahead and repeated it just to make sure.
There is Zero truth to what you said... you pretty much made up your own scenario and answered how Nuem would act when placed that situation.
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Not just nuem, anyone. I'm sorry that you don't understand human nature, but that doesn't change the facts.
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Not just nuem, anyone. I'm sorry that you don't understand human nature, but that doesn't change the facts.
Nuem just said he would put something he wrote on the internet. There are tons of people putting their hard work out for free on the the internet.
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Yes there are, because they dont' have a better offer. There are plenty of people who aren't putting their work out there because it is valuable and they feel like they deserve that value, and that people who get to experience it should have to pay for that value they received. This second camp is the group we are talking about.
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Believe what you want. 
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hhahah this is why you guys have no credibility. You can't even admit obvious truths. There are reasonable arguments on the side against IP rights. the "I WOULDN'T GET PAID IF I COULD" argument is not one of them. Of course if you were smarter you'd have the money to buy what you wanted so I guess I may be on a fool's errand here.
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You're talking out of your ass. I guess you have nothing better to say.
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hahahahaha. You're so stupid.
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I am stupid because your whole argument is based on your idea of what someone you don't even know would do in your hypothetical?
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I've never understood the impact defense to stealing.
Then I don't think we're ever going to agree.
I just can't make myself feel bad about accessing copyrighted material when it costs the copyright holder absolutely nothing at all and in fact has generally positive economic effects for them. When there is no revenue to be lost I have a hard time seeing why the law should care much. This isn't a situation where the holder has some psychic investment in the work or anything. It's a big multinational corporation that would be happy to sell me the stuff if it thought it could make money doing so.
If you can make yourself feel bad about downloading episodes of TV shows that are broadcast free in their domestic market and characterize it as "stealing" go for it I guess. But I'm not sure how many people you're really going to convince.
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Eventually they will shut down streaming pron sites too because tons of copywrited material is there.
I dont steal stuff from the intranetz anymore
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Yukishiro1 posted:
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I've never understood the impact defense to stealing.
Then I don't think we're ever going to agree.
I just can't make myself feel bad about accessing copyrighted material when it costs the copyright holder absolutely nothing at all and in fact has generally positive economic effects for them. When there is no revenue to be lost I have a hard time seeing why the law should care much. This isn't a situation where the holder has some psychic investment in the work or anything. It's a big multinational corporation that would be happy to sell me the stuff if it thought it could make money doing so.
If you can make yourself feel bad about downloading episodes of TV shows that are broadcast free in their domestic market and characterize it as "stealing" go for it I guess. But I'm not sure how many people you're really going to convince.
You need to kick your property law professor in the balls. You feeling bad about it though isn't really relevant to me.
it's not about feelings it's about the rule of law, and all the benefits we get from it. IP is a huge boon to human kind. but that doesn't mean you have to feel anyway about it. Plenty of people would fantasize about some kind of communal property paradise. I dont' think there's anything wrong with those feelings. If that's what you like and what you want to support then go ahead. T here's no doubt you are stealing though. The fact that you are taking somethign that they say you can't and they own makes it stealing. Sorry if you don't like that word.
The robin hood argument is a compelling argument, and one that i share a lot of sympathy with, but I still don't think it's ok to steal. Change the law if you want to and can, but if you can't manage to obey it then call it what it is.
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The law doesn't say it's stealing. It's ironic you would talk about feelings not mattering and then assign a pejorative label the law explicitly DOESN'T assign to it.
Also it isn't so much that they are refusing permission as they really don't care. Japanese TV stations are not about to spend money to let me watch their shows online for free and their lawyers would probably tell them to refuse if I asked them for permission. But if you really think they care you are seriously deluded. Like I said, it's broadcast free to begin with. They have no reason to be anything but happy if they're getting extra viewers.
Sky sports is obviously a little different because it's a subscription model. But if you think even they give a fig about someone in an area they don't offer subscriptions watching their videos I think you are deluded too.
You can say what the copyright holder cares about is also irrelevant but that just seems wrong no matter how you look at it. Copyright protection exists for the sake of the person who holds the protection, not society as a whole. There's no reason for the U.S. to be going around enforcing copyrights if the copyright holders themselves really could care less.
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Good Bye FileServe.com
Update: Smaller host UploadBox calls it quits. “All files will be deleted on January 30th. Feel free to download the files you store with UploadBox until this date.â€
Update2: Another host, x7.to, shuts down.
Update 3: TorrentFreak has seen evidence that on request PayPal is refunding cash paid to Filesonic over the weekend.
Update 4: FileJungle and UploadStation have disabled all 3rd party downloads.
Update 5: 4shared cancels affiilate program.
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It's insane how they're taking these sites down. And we're just going to let it happen, lolololol
Our government is bought and paid for by copyright lobbyists  I wonder how long these clowns can keep it going until violent retribution happens? My guess, probably long enough
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It's insane how they're taking these sites down. And we're just going to let it happen, lolololol
Our government is bought and paid for by copyright lobbyists I wonder how long these clowns can keep it going until violent retribution happens? My guess, probably long enough
This is all just temporary panic. I see other sites springing up soon enough.
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the_great_intex posted:
It's insane how they're taking these sites down. And we're just going to let it happen, lolololol
What do you suggest? Are you really going to get violent because you can't DL your newest South Park, latest Taylor Swift song, or Batman Forever movie?
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Movie industries... or better yet the artist themselves offering up the download to it themselves? Nine inch nails and Louis CK do this, hell NIN gives them away for free and helps people torrent them. Most artists get complete boned on CD sales anyhow, only makes a few cents per CD sold. All their money comes from concerts and shows
Changing their money model sounds like a good one. Maybe it is about time for movie and recording executives and artists to no longer believe they'll be instant millionaires. Trampling on other business' rights is never worth it and especially not a corrupt government either, because this is about as blantly corrupt as I have ever seen it
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http://gunshyassassin.com/news/disturbeds-draiman-talks-file-sharing/
Disturbed and disturbing singer David Draiman has taken to the Web again
to offer his thoughts on today’s hot topics. This time, he’s talking
downloading and file sharing.
We unCAPS LOCKED his post, so you wouldn’t think he’s yelling his
thoughts. Apparently, Draiman knows that CAPS means someone is virtually
screaming, but doesn’t care because he’s always typed that way.
Whatever.
“My stance on file sharing/downloading; I have always been in favor
of, that’s correct, in favor of file sharing and downloading digital
music since day 1,†says Draiman.
“I have never blamed the consumer for simply taking advantage of
something that is readily and easily available to them, and enables the
spread of great music and art to fans of it all over the globe,†he
continues.
“I have been in support of having nominal fees built into ISP
subscription rates that would have enabled everyone to file share freely
while still enabling artists to be compensated for their work. The
proceeds could then have been payed out the same way writing/publishing
royalties are, utilizing Internet monitoring systems, such as those
developed by companies like Big Champagne, for example. The fans would
get all the music they wanted for a nominal price, built into the
Internet service that they are already paying for, and the artists and
the ISPs would be able to still make it a viable busniess.
“Unfortunately, the RIAA and music industry, simply chose to persecute
the consumers, the very fans that give the artists and the labels the
ability to exist, and bit the hand that fed them. This was a mistake in
judgement, in my opinion. That is why when companies like Spotify came
into existence, I was thrilled, because it gave the consumer the ability
to have unlimited music at their fingertips, for a reasonable monthly
subscription cost. It also enabled the exchange of music through social
media as well, putting the icing on the proverbial cake.
“Make no mistake, however, that the culture that has been bred over
the course of the last 10+ years of simply thinking that all music
should be available for free is wrong, and immoral; plain and simple.
This mentality has created an environment where it is more and more
difficult for artists, particularly up-and-coming ones, to survive and
sustain themselves.
“People wonder why fewer and fewer acts come out these days and are
able to last. The status quo that exists is a huge factor in that. The
creation of the ’360 deal,’ where labels now insist on taking a piece of
everything new artists do, is a direct result of that. People’s love of
music is stronger than it ever has been, and the Internet has been an
amazing tool, enabling artists to extend their respective reaches
farther than ever before, but it has also created an environment where
pirateers and websites that profit off of the traffic (by selling
advertisements on their sites) created by offering other people’s life’s
work for free, is wrong and criminal in every sense of the word.
“People’s argument, that ‘I still buy tickets and t shirts and go to
shows’ is a valid one. All of us are eternally grateful for every fan’s
love and support, and much like test-driving a car, you should be able
to try before you buy; but be aware that now record companies are
demanding a huge chunk of that revenue (touring and merch), which used
to be an musician’s bread and butter, as a result. Again, there is a way
to sample new music for free, and many bands (including us) offer
samples of their music for free.
“We, as artists, love and appreciate our fans more than you know. We
know that we could not exist without you, but we don’t steal from you,
not in any way, not ever. Wrong is wrong, no matter what color you paint
it, or how you try to spin it.
“I am against [controversial anti-piracy bills] SOPA (Stop Online
Piracy Act) and PIPA (Protect Intellectual Property Act), because they
limit people’s freedom of expression and freedom of speech, not because
they are trying to protect the rights of artists everywhere. I truly do
hope that they re-write the legilation and get it right this time so
that the music consumer can continue to have access to the music they
love, at a reasonable cost, legally; and without censorship and
restricting peoples freedom to express themselves on the greatest arena
of free speech and expression in existence, the Internet.â€
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