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That just means the other 1/3 is more secular.. It could be 100% islamic for all we know. Thanks to obama. Maybe he really is a muslim? And an indonesian might be sentenced to 5 years in prison for saying god is dead. People point to indonesia as the final place of muslims that make sense since the arab and african world are crazy... I guess theyre all crazy. http://news.yahoo.com/indonesian-charged-blasphemy-atheist-post-064732935.html
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Well the people in the region are way more radical than the governments.
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That's because they've been living under a secular tyrant. Wonder what the result would have been had they been living under a fundamentalist dictator. If they aren't happy with what they get they can always have another revolution.
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Democracy is scary, lets people decide for themselves and lo and behold it might not coincide with what you believe in your little crumbling ivory castle. Either way, Egypt will be hurting since no European tourist is going to go there anymore.. Mostly because those Mastholes will make alcohol illegal, and I don't know anyone who does no want to kick back with a brew on their vacation.
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This is why we shouldn't give them a cent.
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agree. stop giving them money and, gtfo out of there, and let them do whatever they want.
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Exactly.
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There are a lot of places we should stop giving money to, why are we giving aid money to China?
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Bonzoboy1 posted: There are a lot of places we should stop giving money to, why are we giving aid money to China?
thats the one that really makes me laugh... we borrow money from them to pay our bills and give money to them at the same time..
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eodoll posted: That just means the other 1/3 is more secular.. It could be 100% islamic for all we know. Thanks to obama. Maybe he really is a muslim? And an indonesian might be sentenced to 5 years in prison for saying god is dead. People point to indonesia as the final place of muslims that make sense since the arab and african world are crazy... I guess theyre all crazy. http://news.yahoo.com/indonesian-charged-blasphemy-atheist-post-064732935.html
Umm, Indonesia is pointed to as moderate Muslim? The place where you get caned for spitting out chewing gum? Never heard that one before. And what does this have to do with Obama? We pretty much stayed out of it, just like his critics wanted him to. If he had done something, we'd have posts about how he terribly got us into more combat.
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eodoll posted: Islamists win over 2/3s of egypts parliament
Considering Islamists make up 90% of the Egyptian population, I have to wonder how the 'minorities' have gained so much traction in their government. I wonder if Obama Freedom speech really was the catalyst that region needed. Since then the entire region has burst into Democracy wanting protests and Islamist have given way to secularists all over...
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eodoll posted: That just means the other 1/3 is more secular.. It could be 100% islamic for all we know. Thanks to obama. Maybe he really is a muslim? And an indonesian might be sentenced to 5 years in prison for saying god is dead. People point to indonesia as the final place of muslims that make sense since the arab and african world are crazy... I guess theyre all crazy. http://news.yahoo.com/indonesian-charged-blasphemy-atheist-post-064732935.html
Umm, Indonesia is pointed to as moderate Muslim? The place where you get caned for spitting out chewing gum? Never heard that one before.
You are thinking of Singapore, and Singapore is not Muslim. It is entirely secular. Also they stopped caining people for Gum about a decade ago, and you can even buy gum there now.
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Stop giving both Egypyt and Israel money
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eodoll posted: That just means the other 1/3 is more secular.. It could be 100% islamic for all we know. Thanks to obama. Maybe he really is a muslim? And an indonesian might be sentenced to 5 years in prison for saying god is dead. People point to indonesia as the final place of muslims that make sense since the arab and african world are crazy... I guess theyre all crazy. http://news.yahoo.com/indonesian-charged-blasphemy-atheist-post-064732935.html
Umm, Indonesia is pointed to as moderate Muslim? The place where you get caned for spitting out chewing gum? Never heard that one before.
You are thinking of Singapore, and Singapore is not Muslim. It is entirely secular. Also they stopped caining people for Gum about a decade ago, and you can even buy gum there now.
Yeah, my bad. Indonesia was the one where they caned a dude for having an affair. Still, not the place i ever heard was moderate.
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"Islamist" is a term that doesn't really mean anything.
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Obviously it means something because people use it a lot.
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All it really means is someone who thinks the values of Islam should inform and shape government policy. On that basis at least 2/3s of America's gubmint officers are "Christists" too. It's a term used so broadly it tells you basically nothing concrete about the person so labelled.
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I would rather they have democracy even if we dont agree with it. If they pick a fight with us then fight them but we shouldnt meddle just because we dont like the form of democracy they choose.
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Yukishiro1 posted: All it really means is someone who thinks the values of Islam should inform and shape government policy. On that basis at least 2/3s of America's gubmint officers are "Christists" too. It's a term used so broadly it tells you basically nothing concrete about the person so labelled.
If the wnner came from the "christian brotherhood" party instead of the republican or democratic party then id agree ith you. These people rpresent a party called- muslim brotherhood or jihad or kill all coptics, So its clearly totally different. Quit bing such an apologist.
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Its none of our business. We can stop giving them free Chinese money we borrow though
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eodoll posted:
Yukishiro1 posted: All it really means is someone who thinks the values of Islam should inform and shape government policy. On that basis at least 2/3s of America's gubmint officers are "Christists" too. It's a term used so broadly it tells you basically nothing concrete about the person so labelled.
If the wnner came from the "christian brotherhood" party instead of the republican or democratic party then id agree ith you. These people rpresent a party called- muslim brotherhood or jihad or kill all coptics, So its clearly totally different. Quit bing such an apologist.
labels labels labels... Just because we have better sounding labels doesn't mean diddly squat. I am sure if you break down the numbers we have caused more havoc around the world than they have...
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They have better soundng labels too. Its just that their version of our christian coalition or any other fringe group here is their power party. In syria, the movement is to remove the secular leader and put an islamic fascist one in his place. Makes no sense.
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eodoll posted: Makes no sense.
And because of that, you want to blow it all out of proportion and get all worked up. W T F cares if it makes sense? Does everything that we aren't a part of have to make sense? Who care what these people do...
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The islamic movement in syria would go nowhere if we didnt meddle so much.
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Its about time for the US to stop meddling in every country's business
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eodoll posted: The islamic movement in syria would go nowhere if we didnt meddle so much.
and yet you want to meddle because it doesn't make sense or because you don't like the labels...
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No idiot... What doesnt make sense is why our government wants to remove a secular leader and prop up an islamic fascist movement. Edit: the movement im referring to is a western inspired movement - it makes no sense.
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Before the Cold War the US didnt meddle much with the rest of the world. Fifty years of the cold war seems to have given the US license to meddle with every country in the world and with the end of the Cold War the US still thinks it has the right to get into EVERYONE'S business. This meddling must stop. The endless wars the US gets into every few years must stop too.
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__Bonk__ posted: Before the Cold War the US didnt meddle much with the rest of the world. Fifty years of the cold war seems to have given the US license to meddle with every country in the world and with the end of the Cold War the US still thinks it has the right to get into EVERYONE'S business. This meddling must stop. The endless wars the US gets into every few years must stop too.
Before the US and USSR did this, it was the UK.. They have made it their purpose to keep things in that part of the world unstable. I guess it makes it easier to collect money from them when ypu can ensure their syatem is corrupt.
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eodoll posted: No idiot... What doesnt make sense is why our government wants to remove a secular leader and prop up an islamic fascist movement. Edit: the movement im referring to is a western inspired movement - it makes no sense.
It doesn't make any sense to you why America (or western world) would want to help people seeking a democracy to over throw tyrants?
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I dont care if they are islamic fascists. I do care if they attack and provoke the US. Their form of government shouldnt matter at all. Let them choose. If they mess with the US only then should they be dealt with. Its not the US's job to determine acceptable goverments of other countries. Its not the US's job to meddle in afairs it really doesnt understand. Even after fifty years of the Cold War the US is very naive about how the world works. The brits are much wiser after three hundred or so years of colonial empire
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eodoll posted: No idiot... What doesnt make sense is why our government wants to remove a secular leader and prop up an islamic fascist movement. Edit: the movement im referring to is a western inspired movement - it makes no sense.
It doesn't make any sense to you why America (or western world) would want to help people seeking a democracy to over throw tyrants?
Like karzai in afghanistan? You think the dip your finger in blue paint demicracy method is legit?
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If the wnner came from the "christian brotherhood" party instead of the republican or democratic party then id agree ith you.
So all that matters is the name? Great thinking there chief.
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eodoll posted: No idiot... What doesnt make sense is why our government wants to remove a secular leader and prop up an islamic fascist movement. Edit: the movement im referring to is a western inspired movement - it makes no sense.
It doesn't make any sense to you why America (or western world) would want to help people seeking a democracy to over throw tyrants?
Like karzai in afghanistan? You think the dip your finger in blue paint demicracy method is legit?
Ok jumping again I see... Well Afghanistan we went in because they were the state the sponsored the 9/11 terrorists. You remember 9/11 and the war on terror and all that?
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I think even Eodell is going to have a hard time charcterizing our post 9/11 involvement in Afghanistan as overthrowing a secular tyrant to put religious fundamentalists into power.
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This is hopeless with you. Youre just trying to argue and are for the most part clueless. Is gingrich part of the republucan party or the nazi party? You think its just a label? Im not going to argue for the sake of arguing - you win.
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eodoll posted: This is hopeless with you. Youre just trying to argue and are for the most part clueless.
You mean you are tired of jumping from point to point? eodoll posted: Is gingrich part of the republucan party or the nazi party? You think its just a label?
He's part of the Republican party Numb Nuts, how clueless and isolated are you? He's been all over the news because he's campaigning for the Republican nomination in the up coming Presidential Election. eodoll posted: Im not going to argue for the sake of arguing - you win.
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Wow are you retarded? - you cant recognize rhetoric - you cant think outside the box - you are presuming
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According to paulg and other right wingers, the Arab Spring and the move to democracy is all due to Bush. Has that changed? Or, is all the good stuff due to Bush and the bad stuff due to Obama?
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The Arab Spring is a great even if it results in governments we dont like. I do believe its due to Bush and the new government in Iraq. People can see first hand what something different is like
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eodoll posted: Wow are you retarded? - you cant recognize rhetoric - you cant think outside the box - you are presuming
Put down the mirror homey...
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So emotional.. Poor boy.
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Our chancellor is of the Christian Democratic Party.
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It's pretty messed up that so many people are now conditioned to think Muslim = bad. I'm more concerned about them not having a secular government, that's the real danger. Not what religion it is.
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Yep now the thinking in the US government is to stop certain types of muslims from forming goverments because tehy think that all those governments are evil.
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NuEM posted: Our chancellor is of the Christian Democratic Party.
Many European countries also have official state religions. Like Britain.
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Ya what a shame. The primary purpose of the separation of church and state in the US is to prevent state controlled religion like the Church of England
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Voodoo-Dahl posted: It's pretty messed up that so many people are now conditioned to think Muslim = bad. I'm more concerned about them not having a secular government, that's the real danger. Not what religion it is.
all religions are bad IMO but islam is really bad. sorry, but that's just a violent religion. youre just being PC to say otherwise. of course not all muslims do violence or preach hate, but theyre not really following the quran enough then.
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Eodoll might be a when of them closet homophobes or something. He would prefer a secular dictator, instead of a democracy...
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I prefer an islamic brand democracy over a secular dicatator every time. We dont have to like the form of democracy they choose but we should always as Americans support democracy over any form of dictatorship
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Islamic gov'ts don't have to be fundamentalist. but it seems like that;'s what we typically get.
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Its none of our business! Only if they attack us should the US care. ' The US needs a Prime Directive when dealing with other nations
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foreign policy isn't just about people who attack us. morons.
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Ya its about money!
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GrilledCheez posted: foreign policy isn't just about people who attack us. morons.
Of course you are right. Foreign policy is also about oppressing and killing Brown people because they are scary and might attack us.
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US foreign policy sucks. I fell for the Bush/Cheney lies and now I want the US to take a step back from the world and stop meddling
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Akza posted:
Voodoo-Dahl posted: It's pretty messed up that so many people are now conditioned to think Muslim = bad. I'm more concerned about them not having a secular government, that's the real danger. Not what religion it is.
all religions are bad IMO but islam is really bad. sorry, but that's just a violent religion. youre just being PC to say otherwise. of course not all muslims do violence or preach hate, but theyre not really following the quran enough then.
bad troll is bad or dumb person is dumb not sure which tbh
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Muslims democratically voting for and then being governed by Muslims!
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eodoll posted: That just means the other 1/3 is more secular.. It could be 100% islamic for all we know.
Thanks to obama. Maybe he really is a muslim?
** NEWS FLASH **
A majority Muslim country elected a majority of... Muslims!
Film at 11!!!!one!!11!!
Next you're going to be posting a news story about how we elected a higher than 2/3rds majority of Christians to the US House and Senate!!! ZOMG!!!
EVERYBODY PANIC!!
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Shocking that in a country made up of mostly Islamic people that Islamic people get into the government. How can the US stop this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????
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