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I think that they finally jumped the shark with the ex-wife interview.
Instead of torpedo'ing his campaign as desired, I think we are going to see a backlash of support for Gingrich as even the most jaded of cynics realize just how low the media has fallen.
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This post shows a common mental dysfuction among the right. "I will support this candidate for president just to stick it to the media!" is like a caricature of a caricature of a stupid person but sadly it makes perfect sense to people like Rakhir.
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It plays well in the south, SC in particular.
The rest of the country? Nah.
SC is a weird place, they have the highest percentage of self acclaimed "evangelicals" in the country, but they are the most mean spirited, most bigoted, and most hateful people I have ever met. It's the one state where it's still common to hear people call a black man "boy" in public. Even Mississippi isn't that full of idiots.
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I don't give a sideways fart about personal issues. Sow me their voting record, their experience, and if they have the balls to make tough decisions.
I like Newt and think he's qualified. He becomes a blowhard about inflating his own accomplishments, but not nearly as much as the blowhards bemoaning his personal life.
I hope Newt mops the floor with Santorum, for while Newt may not be the most desirable President, Santorum is simply not an option.
There is always alot of hyperbole during election years, but the adage is true of Santorum: that he would literally move us backwards.
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Sansfear posted:
I think that they finally jumped the shark with the ex-wife interview.
Instead of torpedo'ing his campaign as desired, I think we are going to see a backlash of support for Gingrich as even the most jaded of cynics realize just how low the media has fallen.
I think you're perfectly opposite from what's going to happen. This is going to make it even worse for him, perhaps even end him.
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"Newt is a sack of potatoes with a tie." David Letterman
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It's not the media that has made him a sympathetic person.
It's the perpetual victim complex of the Republican party that has done that.
I encourage him and the RNC to continue down this path. Playing the put upon victim is a great strategy to win independents.
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 Tali made me laugh. Out loud.
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Sympathetic? No. They threw him a questioned he was ready for and let him look smart and confident while putting himself in a powerful position for the entire debate.
He's evil, I voted for him.
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Tali made me laugh. Out loud.
/shrug
Only in a republican primary could a man who pulled what he pulled be considered a victim.
Similar accusations ended John Edwards career.
I call it like I see it.
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What you called was, Obama being a victim for the last three years of the racist republican party.
The race card victimization has been played non stop for every bill that doesn't get passed.
But its hilarious now to watch some libs stop and point and accuse others of playing the victim game. 
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P.S. He is sympathetic in a loser sort of way. It may make people feel sorry for him but feeling sorry for someone doesn't make you vote for them for president.
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The only reasons "conservatives" think Newt pwned with his performance are they hate Romney, think Santorum is a fruitloop, Paul is a nutbag, and there isn't anyone else around to vote for.
If they were really "conservative" they wouldn't even consider voting for a guy who left two wives (one while she was in the hospital) and married other women he had been boinking while still married to the first and second wives.
They wouldn't dare try to claim his "personal life" is of no concern after they spent all that time and energy screaming about Clinton boinking that intern, that btw, Newt was screaming louder than most about even though he was having an affair at the exact same time.
They wouldn't even dream of supporting a man who spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on jewelry for his mistress while refusing to pay child support.
The man is slime and anyone who supports him in any way is a total god damn idiot.
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What you called was, Obama being a victim for the last three years of the racist republican party.
The race card victimization has been played non stop for every bill that doesn't get passed.
But its hilarious now to watch some libs stop and point and accuse others of playing the victim game.
How is being black the same as cheating on your wife who has cancer?
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How is being black the same as cheating on your wife who has cancer?
"Feel sorry for me because I divorced my first wife while she was dying of cancer, then divorced my second wife after boinking a staffer and trying to get the president impeached for doing a similar thing! I am such a victim of the media's reporting true facts about me!"
What a fat douchebag loser.
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They wouldn't even dream of supporting a man who spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on jewelry for his mistress while refusing to pay child support.
Thats quality entertainment coming from the cancer dude that recently lent his car to some ho so she could go give blowjobs for the night while you play daddy to her kid.
But that kind of support is different, right?
You know the saying you get the government you deserve? Grats on your crop of republican candidates to choose from.
Yes, they are your candidates, half of your choice this year. However most of you dumbasses don't grasp that, that both sides are your candidates.
That dude you lefties have cried about for 3 years in the White House is a solid lock for a 2nd term
Grats on your 4 more years of tears.
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Let's see....
I've never had cancer
I didn't watch the kid of a woman I have ever dated or slept with, she is a friend of mine.
Giving a woman my car to play with isn't a "moral issue" and I certainly didn't do it while failing to pay child support
Why so butthurt man?
Newt is a slime bag and you know it, he isn't a candidate that I would ever vote for so in no way is he "mine".
Not sure how it would apply even if I did use cancer pain pills to entice young single mothers into my house for sex then took them joyriding in a car I stole. I'm not running for office, I have never claimed to be "moral" according to societies standards. And I certainly wouldn't care if people thought I was a slime bag for the things I actually do. Never have, never will.
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Weren't you the one that said you had cancer and less than a year to live?
I may be mistaken.
However prolly not. If I think you have cancer, you should prolly go see a doctor asap.
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So the two analogies Moe has made to abandoning your dying wife to marry a younger woman then abandoning that woman to marry another younger woman are:
1. Being black
2. Lending your car to a prostitute.
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Moe is a Newt fanboi because he is easily won over by his way of talking.
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The only analogy that Moe has made is, the liberals that grasp at personal issues with repubs and ignore them with Dems are floppy anus snow cows.
Ok well now its made.
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The only analogy that Moe has made is, the liberals that grasp at personal issues with repubs and ignore them with Dems are floppy anus snow cows.
Ok well now its made.
Repubs are the ones that campaign on traditional family values and all that good stuff..
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Cheating on his dying wife ended John Edwards' career. For Newt apparently it is a plus.
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Hey, just like I don't have cancer, she isn't a whore. In fact she is a pretty damn nice woman.
Funny how a "conservative" who will support Newt calls single women having fun with single men "whores"....but doesn't seem to have any problem with Newt cheating on two wives then marrying the women who were screwing him while he was still with his previous wife.
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Run for office Ptilk, I won't give two shits what you do in your personal life.
Throw stones at someone for their personal life and you open up personal lives as an issue.
Some people however are hypocrites with a 'this applies to them but not me' position.
I am not one of those.
However glad to hear you aren't dying of cancer. I seriously thought you were. 
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The only reason I care about Newt's private life is because he made "morals" a fundamental part of his platform and he is being supported by people who want to use their morals as guidelines for laws in this country.
And because it's funny as hell that "conservatives" and "evangelicals" would support a slimy shit like him.
BTW. I have a progressive disease of the central nervous system. It's not a terminal disease, just a PITA. But thanks, I'm glad I don't have cancer too.
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Rush leaps to the defense of Gingrich...
So Newt wanted an open marriage. BFD. At least he asked his wife for permission instead of cheating on her. That's a mark of character, in my book. Newt's a victim.
But allowing gay marriage destroys the institution of marriage?
Guess this must be more of that 70% stuff paulg hates.
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I think that they finally jumped the shark with the ex-wife interview.
Instead of torpedo'ing his campaign as desired, I think we are going to see a backlash of support for Gingrich as even the most jaded of cynics realize just how low the media has fallen.
Only someone soft in the head would fall for that type of simple manipulation. It's like if you catch your kid, wife, or friend doing something wrong and they get mad at you for calling them on it. It ends with you feeling bad for even bringing it up.
It's no surprise it worked on you.
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Rush leaps to the defense of Gingrich...
So Newt wanted an open marriage. BFD. At least he asked his wife for permission instead of cheating on her. That's a mark of character, in my book. Newt's a victim.
Except he was cheating on her before he asked for the open marriage. He also didn't stop the affair when she said no to the open marriage.
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Scarne posted:
Groucho48 posted:
Rush leaps to the defense of Gingrich...
So Newt wanted an open marriage. BFD. At least he asked his wife for permission instead of cheating on her. That's a mark of character, in my book. Newt's a victim.
Except he was cheating on her before he asked for the open marriage. He also didn't stop the affair when she said no to the open marriage.
You mean Rush wasn't exactly wholly truthful in what he said??? Tell me it ain't so!!!
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I heard the first couple of minutes of the Newt thing on the radio this morning. That moderator was a maroon and he totally let Newt have the appearance of moral high ground.
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LOL I went to our local town hall and this "evangelical conservative" lady stood up and defended Newt saying things about Clinton and his lack of morals and family values and said that the media was basicaly putting out a mob hit on Newt. She said everyone has a past and as long as they have asked for forgiveness all was ok. I stood up and said " so if you are looking for a moral and family values orientated candidate, you need to be looking at President Obama", she instantly raged about socialism and communism and no jobs and blah blah blah and I said "so since you are excusing Newt, would you do the same for Obama since he is a Christian and would probalby ask for forgiveness?" she went all red faced moron and said "I doubt he is a Christian and is a liar", I said "well we have proof Newt is a liar" and her husband stood up and said "Obama is a muslim who probably wasn't even born here!", I said and that is why your party is a Joke sir. I was booed and I just smiled and laughed, people were raging. I got to speak again and said "if Newt the hypocrite and proven Liar is the best your side can put up, and if family values and morals are a big thing for you, then Obama is your candidante, solid marriage, good and honest person and trying to do what is best for America's best interest." I got some applause and some AARRGGGLLEE BARRRGGLLE. It was fun.
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LOL sounds like a fun time.
The really scary thing is, Romney is such a horrible idiot and is so awful in the debates that it's looking like it might be possible that he could actually lose the nomination. I never thought that could happen, but then....I didn't realize just how stupid and out of touch the guy is.
If he gets tossed completely overboard, Republicans have no where to go. Newt isn't a serious threat outside of the bible belt, Santorum isn't a serious threat anywhere, and Paul is a joke.
They might actually bring back Bachmann 
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LOL sounds like a fun time.
The really scary thing is, Romney is such a horrible idiot and is so awful in the debates that it's looking like it might be possible that he could actually lose the nomination. I never thought that could happen, but then....I didn't realize just how stupid and out of touch the guy is.
If he gets tossed completely overboard, Republicans have no where to go. Newt isn't a serious threat outside of the bible belt, Santorum isn't a serious threat anywhere, and Paul is a joke.
They might actually bring back Bachmann
Consider though that whichever candidate the GOP picks, that candidate will be a serious threat if the GOP can rally people against Obama / Democrats. I agree this is starting to feel like 2004 reversed, but Newt has enough charisma to keep on truckin' as long as Republicans support him out of desperation, and so does whoever is still standing over there.
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Somehow a cheating, husband stealing, First Lady, whos husband would be the head of the Morals party, all fits nicely in my view of Republicans.
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Newt will get crushed in the general election.
He's mean, he's petty and totally self-serving.
The RNC may rally around him, but independents and moderates will not.
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The RNC may rally around him, but independents and moderates will not.
While some of the rest of what you said is true... this part is most certainly not. In some parts of the country, particularly several key sections of the South, disaffected independents will absolutely vote for him over Obama.
There is an army of Americans dying to lodge a protest vote against Obama. A protest vote for someone seen as clearly different than Obama (which Romney... isn't, so much). Don't underestimate that.
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Newt will get crushed in the general election.
He's mean, he's petty and totally self-serving.
The RNC may rally around him, but independents and moderates will not.
This.
I would seriously consider voting for Obama if Newt got the nomination. I will not vote for Obama if Mitt gets the nomination.
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Obama will make him meltdown and show what a petulant child he really is.
I really don't think Independents and Moderates will support that.
I'm also not so sure that folks with ODS can really be called independents or moderates.
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I really don't think Independents and Moderates will support that.
I know I wouldn't
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I won't be voting for Newt, I just think that the non-stop media attacks on every single Rep candidate have reached a new low point with interviewing his ex-wife.
People are cynical due to the barrage of negative ads they see everyday, but this takes it to a whole new level.
Maybe it will break the cycle of cynicism and people will start demanding actual debate rather than the gutter-sniping with 10-20-30-year-old stories.
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Jesus H Christ you are oblivious about American History.
Let me know when Newt duels Joe Biden over this.
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Obama will make him meltdown and show what a petulant child he really is.
I really don't think Independents and Moderates will support that.
I'm also not so sure that folks with ODS can really be called independents.
I said it 6+ months ago... Many Americans are PISSED at Obama and the Dems. They want someone to dress him & them down, visibly, publicly, in a place they cannot hide from it or spin it. They want someone capable of speaking (yelling) with that tenor of anger.
Christie was that. They didn't get him as a choice.
Although I personally believe Gingrich is a bad choice for president, he's the second best choice to vent that anger and get the issues floated and 'top priority' at this time (besides Christie).
This is why I predicted, IYRC, that Gingrich wasn't going to simply disappear and in fact would be an R contender. Even back when he was getting confetti dropped on his head by random gay men.
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I won't be voting for Newt, I just think that the non-stop media attacks on every single Rep candidate have reached a new low point with interviewing his ex-wife.
People are cynical due to the barrage of negative ads they see everyday, but this takes it to a whole new level.
Maybe it will break the cycle of cynicism and people will start demanding actual debate rather than the gutter-sniping with 10-20-30-year-old stories.
It seems to me to just be the current stop on the downward spiral.
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Anyone who thinks that the Republicans candidates are getting treated worse than the Democratic ones got treated last election, is both stupid, and forgetful.
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And ignoring the fact that there is only one primary at the moment.
'OMG, REPUBLICANS ARE GETTING SO MUCH MORE SCRUTINY!!!! LIBERALLZZZZ MEDIA'
The flip side, of course, is that Republicans are getting all the media exposure at the moment - both good and bad.
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I am from a different planet.
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Has the media done the impossible and made Newt a sympathetic figure?
No. Thread closed
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Didnt all this happen like 20+ years ago? The guy is a dirtbag but this is all the media can come up with? 
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It shows patterns of immoral judgement, lying and hypocracy. It proves this man cannot be trusted even by his loved ones and the ones he swore to be true to. It shows that even when he is out in front damning a man to hell for getting a blowjob in the white house and how immoral and wrong it is, he can be doing the exact same thing behind the scenes and knows he can trick the idiots among you into believing it is ok cuz he asked for forgiveness. This man and his wife are liars and hypocrites. If the moral majority on your side backs this man, it will prove the ultimate hypocracy.
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Part of the Republican wrong-headed herd-think is an irrational hate for the media. Information is evil!
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I think he is more Dukakis.
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Didnt all this happen like 20+ years ago? The guy is a dirtbag but this is all the media can come up with?
Please name a modern presidential election where something out of the candidates distant past was not an issue on the campaign trail.
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Rommney is Kerry 2.0
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It happened last time Gingrich was in a position of political power. 
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Sympathetic? No. They threw him a questioned he was ready for and let him look smart and confident while putting himself in a powerful position for the entire debate.
He's evil, I voted for him.
Yeah he got lucky with that question.
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He is a strong debater, smart, well educated, and quick witted but that doesnt mean he would be a good president
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Ofcourse it doesn't mean that, he just is really strong in all the qualities that we want in a President.
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You have to look at how he did last time he had power. This is what I concentrate on not what he says now
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Well again ofcourse, you don't ever listen to what a numbnut politico says.
Experience + voting record = best assessment. I also look for someone with the cojones for the job.
Looking at anyones record means the whole record. Newt has some blemishes, but I can overlook that for the stuff he actually managed to hammer out and get done with Clinton in the 90s.
There was a video of President Clinton a few months ago doing an interview on Fox. Lemme see if I can find it, he had some interesting things to say.
He also looked really frail. 
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I remember how Newt acted and I blame him for the impeachment of Clinton, the shutdowns, and more. He did a horrible job as a speaker
The problem with him is he like many people got powermad. He cant handle power. He becomes arrogant, autocratic, and he listens to nobody. Napoleon complex
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Napoleon.
The government has been passing more terrible legislation than good legislation lately.
The government has never passed bad legislation while being shut down.
I advocate more government shut downs, not less.
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