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Compared to any being that could develop faster than light travel, our weapons are going to be like six shooters against them.
No matter what era you live in, humans think they are formidable. I have come to realize that any movie that portrays modern technology as sufficient to fend off an invading, capable of developing faster than light technology, force, is ludicrous.
Do you think Cowboys could defeat even modern weaponry? Never. Do you think they could defeat technology thousands of years more advanced than that?
That's what we are to aliens. Cowboys. Or even cavemen.
If they came here they could do whatever they wanted to us and the planet and there won't be any heroic movies coming out of it. At least, not from our side.
I for one, welcome our new alien overlords (Simpsons quote.)
I hope they're benevolent.
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This is where the Russians have superior strategy over Americans.
American doctrine has traditionally been focused on defeating technology.
Russians have traditionally focused on beating biology.
From using weather, to scorched earth, to their modern gases, blinding lasers, and bio weapons.
Disease and viruses will be the way to defeat alien life forms.
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Aliens made us.
Earth is their petri dish, we are their mold.
To think we could battle them..... 
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Any alien race that makes themselves known to us by demonstrating their superior technology will not be benevolent.
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I think that this has about as much utility as any other mythology.
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Obviously none of you watched the movie.
Cowboys won.
Case closed.
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The movie was somewhat entertaining, but trite and insipid at the same time.
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The movie was somewhat entertaining, but trite and insipid at the same time.
and Olivia Wilde's character ruined it for me. she was hot though, so it was offset a little.
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most alien movies somehow make it out to be we have a chance against an interstellar species.
I hate to say this, but the movie that most likely showed what would really happen to humans, is Battlefield Earth. But only up to when the movie starts. after the movie starts it's again totally stupid aliens.
Humans lasted 7 minutes before being wiped out.
that's what would happen with an interstellar/interdimensional species that visits Earth and not being benevolent.
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There was an alien movie from one or two years ago where the aliens destroyed us. I liked it, it was realistic..pretty much hopeless for humans. Anyone remember the name?
Edit: did a google search, i think it was skyline.
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What does any one of us know about potential aliens?
Nothing.
Stating anything else is pretentious beyond sanity.
And we certainly won't learn anything from a campy hollywood entertainment flick.
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It's hard to say really.
Interstellar travel would be difficult even for a very advanced species.
You'd have to travel with only stuff that you really really needed to have. Considering that intelligent life is pretty rare I'm not sure you'd waste so much space and energy transporting large amounts of weaponry.
Think of the stuff we've sent out. How heavily armed was it? We could have easily put some sort of weaponry on it, but we didn't.
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Compared to any being that could develop faster than light travel, our weapons are going to be like six shooters against them.
And? A .45 bullet and its 400 foot pounds of energy condensed to a point less than a millimeter square is still 400 foot pounds of energy compressed to a point less than a millimeter square.
Jaedence posted:
No matter what era you live in, humans think they are formidable. I have come to realize that any movie that portrays modern technology as sufficient to fend off an invading, capable of developing faster than light technology, force, is ludicrous.
With what justification?
Do you think that just because they can travel across the universe that they are somehow magically immune to the laws of physics and energy?
Jaedence posted:
Do you think Cowboys could defeat even modern weaponry? Never.
Why? There is absolutely no logic behind your contempt here. The insurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan equipped with the most rudimentary small arms and absolutely atrocious communications are still an effective combatant, so what justification do you have for believing that "cowboys" would fare worse?
Soldiers today use thousands of rounds, where-as "cowboys" use this brand new concept called "aiming" - and they hit what they aim at. It'd be like trying to go head-to-head with an entire battalion of snipers. NOT a good day for the grunts you ask to try that.
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Do you think they could defeat technology thousands of years more advanced than that?
Do you think that all species follow a similar evolutionary path? How arrogant of you. How about this - what if their world lacked in explosive propellants and never went through a firearms phase? What if they went straight from contact weapons to energy weapons? What then would be their defense against firearms? They certainly would never have developed the armor we take for granted so just why do you think it would be such a mismatch?
Jaedence posted:
That's what we are to aliens. Cowboys. Or even cavemen.
No - what we are to aliens would be... aliens. We will be just as alien to them as they are to us.. and we'll be equipped with technology they themselves may never even have dreamed of, because we're aliens and by definition we don't think like they do.
You seem to believe that they will have thought of everything we've thought of - and that arrogant assumption is patently absurd.
If you're going to get into speculative theory like this be sure to check your preconceptions at the door.
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Why do people always assume aliens will be as violent as we are?
they may be militaristc but just not have the capability for violence in the level that we demonstrate against ourselves every day.
Superior technology does not always mean superior intelligence.
Perhaps aliens developped their tech millions of years ago and haven't improved on it or have even forgotten how ro completely use it properly. Like stonehenge or building the pyramids.
Sure they can galavant around the universe like its their backyard, but maybe they've lost the ability to think tacticly and strategically.
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Well, you have to remember who the target audience for these types of movies are, humans. Said aliens invading in those movies aren't exactly going to flock to theaters to watch it, so those movies have to be made catered to people.
And of course, most people won't like seeing a movie where humans more or less get wiped out with no chance of winning at all. In real life all of our culture, history, technology could merely be a small footnote a few pages in the alien's history book. But that wouldn't make for a very entertaining movie, despite how realistic it'd be.
That said, so long as the movies are entertaining and semi-plausible in the context of the movie, I'm usually willing to suspend my disbelief so long as they don't break their own rules they set up. Such as how aliens in Signs had FTL technology, but can't even open a wooden door, and if water is like an acid to them, how the heck did they walk around on Earth without a spacesuit, due to all the water in the atmosphere?
And in the War of the Worlds remake, I could accept the germs killing them (they were pretty stupid again, no spacesuit and touching a lot of stuff, so those aliens totally deserved it lol). But what really irks me is how the son manages not only to survive, but gets to his mom's place before his dad does (remember, the last time we saw the son, he was stupidly going over the hill to watch a battle where military vehicles were retreating and on fire).
And I wonder what's going to happen when Christopher comes back to Earth in District 9's sequel? In this case we sort of deserve it again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3TQmCTWFbg (How District 9 it should've ended)
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Why do people always assume aliens will be as violent as we are?
Actually I would assume that any aliens we encounter are going to be far more violent than we are.
Natural selection does not tolerate pacifists.
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Koneg posted:
sweeny_comodore posted:
Why do people always assume aliens will be as violent as we are?
Actually I would assume that any aliens we encounter are going to be far more violent than we are.
Natural selection does not tolerate pacifists.
That's not even a good troll.
Natural selection doesn't favor the retarded either. What's your excuse?
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The only things that would stop aliens from destroying us is their own conscience, other aliens, or our distance from them.
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Any alien race millions of years ahead of us would have not only advanced in technology but be far more advanced spiritually. They would have no desire to annihilate us but would most likely defend themselves if they had to but would not go on an offensive. Not to say that a race could not be aggressive but imo if they have evolved to be aggressive they more than likely would have destroyed themselves thousands of years ago as we are most likely going to do if we keep up this way..
An advanced race would want to help us evolve but at the same time try not to interfere too much because part of our spiritual evolution is failure and making mistakes and learning from them. Without those mistakes we would be unable to evolve properly..
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That's not even a good troll.
Natural selection doesn't favor the retarded either. What's your excuse?
I'm not trolling. In point-of-fact I'm dead serious.
Everyone seems convinced that a spare-faring race is automatically going to be highly-evolved "enlightened" goody-two-shoes who only have our best interests at heart (like Coriolus envisions) and would never ever be aggressive or warlike.
Frankly I find that view retarded in the extreme, as by definition one cannot become the dominant species of a planet by being pacifistic, and only the dominant species of a planet will survive long enough to evolve intelligence, technology and space travel.
The assumption that a star-faring race would completely set aside the very traits that allowed them to travel to the stars simply because they can travel to the stars is incredibly naive and the very definition of "wishful thinking".
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Why would spirituality make any alien nonviolent? What if he zenith of spirituality is destroying planets and eating the inhabitants?
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Why would spirituality make any alien nonviolent? What if he zenith of spirituality is destroying planets and eating the inhabitants?
Highly evolved and enlightened beings would undoubtedly have consciousness that understands and rationalizes 'being' at a much higher level. They would understand the futility in harming life and in being destructive both physically and emotionally. They would most likely be students of the universe(s) and would strive to learn as much about the universe(s) as they could, explorers. It is highly unlikely that a race bent on destruction and hate would survive very long simply because early on in their planet's evolution that hate would be directed toward their fellow beings which would undoubtedly lead to their destruction, UNLESS they made it through those trouble times somehow and managed to have a shift in their consciousness which I think is possible.
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You contradict yourself Koneg, you said we should not assume that alien life knows/develops the same as human, but then you assume that an alien species becomes dominant by the same progressions as humankind.
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I don't really get the idea behind 'we can take interstellar aliens' thing. I guess it depends on what their goals would be. It seems to me that if aliens wanted to conquer the Earth, all they would have to do is hang out around the asteroid belt, lob a couple of small rocks at our populated areas to get our attention and tell us they are now in charge.
What kind of military reach to do we have capable of dealing with anything further away than the moon?
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The one thing abundantly clear is that any advance race we encounter will be based on fact and deeds far more than the metric ass ton of assumptions that we are prone to.
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You contradict yourself Koneg, you said we should not assume that alien life knows/develops the same as human, but then you assume that an alien species becomes dominant by the same progressions as humankind.
I believe the progression that humans are going through and it's various stages is a relative constant for most intelligent life. There could be variations in these stages but an evolving race will go through similar 'growing pains' if you will.
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The best part of Cowboys and Aliens was Harrison Ford's character. It was neat to see him play a bad guy.
He was convincing! 
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They would understand the futility in harming life
** boggle **
Futility? Seriously? You believe "violence never solves anything"???
Gawd you're even more naive than I thought.
Coriolus posted:
It is highly unlikely that a race bent on destruction and hate would survive very long simply because early on in their planet's evolution that hate would be directed toward their fellow beings
You attach an emotion to it - hate. You presume quite a bit in your little dream world. You don't need to hate to be destructive.
How much do you think the construction crew hated that ant hill they poured the foundation of your home over?
Rhint posted:
You contradict yourself Koneg, you said we should not assume that alien life knows/develops the same as human, but then you assume that an alien species becomes dominant by the same progressions as humankind.
Contradiction? Uhm, OK. I find it literally impossible to believe that a species can rise to dominance without being... dominant?
I dunno. Seems kinda logical when you stop and consider it. 
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Koneg, I don't expect you to understand, you are one of the least evolved people on this board. Your ability to rationalize away even the most obvious arguments places you near the top of the trolling dung mound or if you truly believe your positions I feel very sorry for you and the people who have to put up with your bullshit..
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Koneg, I don't expect you to understand, you are one of the least evolved people on this board.
This is why if you and I were two competing species, you would be extinct.
Your highly-evolved enlightened self would be crushed under the relentless onslaught of the "least evolved" species.
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Your ability to rationalize away even the most obvious arguments
You've made arguments? All I see is incredibly simplistic and wishful beliefs, with no logic what-so-ever.
Do I believe that all space-faring intelligent species will be the rampaging devourers of all they come across? Of course not. Do I believe we should assume the worst and hope for the best? Ab-so-freekin-lootly.
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Watching Cowboys & Aliens made me realize that if I ever see the names Orci and/or Kurtzman under the screenplay credit again, I'm shutting it off and immediately sealing it back into its Netflix envelope.
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Koneg posted:
Coriolus posted:
Koneg, I don't expect you to understand, you are one of the least evolved people on this board.
This is why if you and I were two competing species, you would be extinct.
Your highly-evolved enlightened self would be crushed under the relentless onslaught of the "least evolved" species.
Coriolus posted:
Your ability to rationalize away even the most obvious arguments
You've made arguments? All I see is incredibly simplistic and wishful beliefs, with no logic what-so-ever.
Do I believe that all space-faring intelligent species will be the rampaging devourers of all they come across? Of course not. Do I believe we should assume the worst and hope for the best? Ab-so-freekin-lootly.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Your idiocy is awesome dude, keep at it, but don't try too hard you may pop..
I ESPECIALLY love how you take the time to meticulously quote my "simplistic beliefs" and retort them... PRICELESS
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Koneg, I don't expect you to understand, you are one of the least evolved people on this board.
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I love watching people who are so adamant about their opinions on subjects that no one has any freakin clue about. They are entertainingly idiotic, like an Outpost jester.
We have no effing clue whether aliens exist, let alone whether they'd be friend or foe. It's a friggin toss up.
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I love watching people who are so adamant about their opinions on subjects that no one has any freakin clue about. They are entertainingly idiotic, like an Outpost jester.
We have no effing clue whether aliens exist, let alone whether they'd be friend or foe. It's a friggin toss up.
It's not the fact they exist or not that matters that is the issue it is the inability to be objective and rationalize simple ideas that brings forth hilarity..
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At least your argument is supported by real world events, like how the good spiritual people of Tibet have ousted the Chinese Communist.
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Your idiocy is awesome dude, keep at it, but don't try too hard you may pop..
I ESPECIALLY love how you take the time to meticulously quote my "simplistic beliefs" and retort them... PRICELESS
Would you feel better about my views if I were a world famous astrophysicist and theoretician? You seem to be overly enamoured with claims to authority so would that help?
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Koneg just gel your hair back and speak with a trace of unidentifiable accent.
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What happened when the Incas and the Aztecs met the Spaniards?
They were more or less wiped out, their culture destroyed and they were subjugated their religion gone with their language and their written language.
And that was just a few hundred years of technological difference, add to that diseases.
So we're screwed, our best chance is just to make as little noise as possible and just tech like mad preserve the planet and if they come we simply nuke the shite out of everything, might as well destroy what they want and maybe some semblance of humanity will survive.
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Any alien race millions of years ahead of us would have not only advanced in technology but be far more advanced spiritually. They would have no desire to annihilate us but would most likely defend themselves if they had to but would not go on an offensive. Not to say that a race could not be aggressive but imo if they have evolved to be aggressive they more than likely would have destroyed themselves thousands of years ago as we are most likely going to do if we keep up this way..
An advanced race would want to help us evolve but at the same time try not to interfere too much because part of our spiritual evolution is failure and making mistakes and learning from them. Without those mistakes we would be unable to evolve properly..
spirituality
you need to smoke less granola man.
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Technology doesn't always mean victory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Isandlwana
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325710/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_conflict
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan
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Manegarm posted:
Coriolus posted:
Any alien race millions of years ahead of us would have not only advanced in technology but be far more advanced spiritually. They would have no desire to annihilate us but would most likely defend themselves if they had to but would not go on an offensive. Not to say that a race could not be aggressive but imo if they have evolved to be aggressive they more than likely would have destroyed themselves thousands of years ago as we are most likely going to do if we keep up this way..
An advanced race would want to help us evolve but at the same time try not to interfere too much because part of our spiritual evolution is failure and making mistakes and learning from them. Without those mistakes we would be unable to evolve properly..
spirituality
you need to smoke less granola man.
So much for your renowned atheistic humanism, chief.
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Manegarm posted:
Coriolus posted:
Any alien race millions of years ahead of us would have not only advanced in technology but be far more advanced spiritually. They would have no desire to annihilate us but would most likely defend themselves if they had to but would not go on an offensive. Not to say that a race could not be aggressive but imo if they have evolved to be aggressive they more than likely would have destroyed themselves thousands of years ago as we are most likely going to do if we keep up this way..
An advanced race would want to help us evolve but at the same time try not to interfere too much because part of our spiritual evolution is failure and making mistakes and learning from them. Without those mistakes we would be unable to evolve properly..
spirituality
you need to smoke less granola man.
So much for your renowned atheistic humanism, chief.
How so? I can be a humanist and still mock people..
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Humanism is a spiritual concept and a race of beings who evolved to the point of non-violence should be something you would accept and not mock. It just shows you are only mouthing the humanistic words while secretly firing up the ovens.
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Humanism is a spiritual concept and a race of beings who evolved to the point of non-violence should be something you would accept and not mock. It just shows you are only mouthing the humanistic words while secretly firing up the ovens.
[face_Swedish_Hitler]
Hmmm.. secular humanism has nothing to do with spirituality, spirituality is just psuedo-religious nonsense thrown about by idiots.
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How do you evolve "spiritually"? There's no structure in that.
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Space is a really big place, kind of doubtful we'll ever find another race of intelligent beings. It's mind boggling just trying to come up with a way to make it to alpha proxima and that's right next to us in galactic terms.
Probably why we haven't been conquered by an alien race, they can't get here, either. 
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It would be even scarier if the aliens were scientifically minded.
They would take us and experiment on us without giving it a second thought.
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I'm arrogant enough to believe we are the most kick ass beings in the galaxy and it will be us doing the pwning
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One asteroid launched at earth by aliens the humanities civilization and most of humanity is toast. We are that vunerable
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I think we're quite a formidable species. We managed to rape, pillage and plunder not only ourselves but our environment.
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If aliens wanted our planet for whatever reason it would go like this: One moment you're busy doing whatever you're doing and the next moment you're vaporized and we never saw it coming.
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Koneg posted:
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That's not even a good troll.
Natural selection doesn't favor the retarded either. What's your excuse?
I'm not trolling. In point-of-fact I'm dead serious.
Everyone seems convinced that a spare-faring race is automatically going to be highly-evolved "enlightened" goody-two-shoes who only have our best interests at heart (like Coriolus envisions) and would never ever be aggressive or warlike.
Frankly I find that view retarded in the extreme, as by definition one cannot become the dominant species of a planet by being pacifistic, and only the dominant species of a planet will survive long enough to evolve intelligence, technology and space travel.
The assumption that a star-faring race would completely set aside the very traits that allowed them to travel to the stars simply because they can travel to the stars is incredibly naive and the very definition of "wishful thinking".
highly evolved and enlightened doesnt have anything to do with it.
are you good at chess?
are all your friends equally as good?
just because you cant beat all of them doesnt mean you are more highly evolved and enlightened than the people you lose to. it just means youre not as good a tactician as them.
perhaps an alien race just never evolved the desire to conquer, and destroy?
maybe playing chess is a concept thats beyond them btu they can make really powerfull weapons and defensive shieldings?
pascifism and enlightenment are not synonyms and do not necessarily go hand in hand.
thats a vegan idea they use to justify their retarded religion to themselves. the rest of us laugh at them.
and being unwilling to take up violence doesnt mean you arent capable of being violent when a need arrises
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I find it funny that people assume that any advanced species is going to be peaceful. No what it means is they are the most successful species on their planet and the winner. They are so successful that they develop technology to travel to other biospheres far, far, far away. There is no reason at all to assume it would be peaceful.
The goal of a species is to survive, thrive, and breed, and when they got here most likely they would do what would advance this goal and that might not be what we like.
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this guy =  this guy....obviously alien s are real!
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I find it funny that people assume that any advanced species is going to be peaceful. No what it means is they are the most successful species on their planet and the winner. They are so successful that they develop technology to travel to other biospheres far, far, far away. There is no reason at all to assume it would be peaceful.
The goal of a species is to survive, thrive, and breed, and when they got here most likely they would do what would advance this goal and that might not be what we like.
less tacticaly inclined, or less aggressive/violent does not have to mean peacefull.
there are also other ways to dominate an environment aside from brutally murdering everything other living thing you come across.
why do you assume the only two options are brutally violent or weak pascifist?
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Technology doesn't always mean victory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Isandlwana
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0325710/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_conflict
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan
It does if you want it too.
If there is an instance of far superior technology failing to win a conflict it was because of morality.
If we wanted to end the war in Iraq/Afghanistan, we could have any time we wanted - but at the cost of innocent life.
Same with Korea and Vietnam.
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