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we will strip every planet we find of every resource that is precious to us.
Which brings up an interesting idea. Our galaxy is something like 13 billion years old. We are probably not the first intelligent species to arise.
Doesn't it seem likely that some other species already stripped our planet of every truly precious resource. If so, then everything we find on the planet Earth is just the crap that was so worthless that it wasn't worth taking.
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At 13 billion years old, giving the closest star systems time to form and cool, one could guess that someone could be 9 billion years ahead of us. Do they need our gas too?
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Gas is only precious to us because someone else already took the really good energy sources.
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I often wonder what a civilization that's 100 years, 10,000 years, 1 million years, and a few hundred millions years ahead of us is like. Is it a Star Wars-type civilization, where they're ruled by a central area, or is it more Star Trek, where its essentially the UN in space? Are they the type that wants to conquer planets for the lulz? Or maybe they're advanced enough to see how stupid it is to kill so many beings so recklessly?
I'd hate for Earth to be found out by a expansionist civilization that's got hundreds or thousands of star systems under their control. If we get found out and they find us interesting enough to invade (rather than just quietly observing us), I doubt we'll somehow be able to beat them (short of a friendly alliance that decides we're worth saving, which considering the stuff going on right now, I wouldn't be surprised if they said we deserve our fate).
And in the event we somehow repel the first invasion fleet, I'm sure they'll send another 10 fleets. Or worse, they'll just hurl a couple of asteroids our way. It only took one about 6 miles/10 kilometers wide to take out the dinosaurs, and we don't exactly have the technology to deflect or shoot them down either.
Or maybe I'm just thinking too much into this lol... 
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well, we've found a diamond planet already. which will completely destroy the diamond industry. i wonder if debeers has enough money to stop us from mining that isht when we get there. 
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We could just mine asteroids for all the materials we need. 
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A few of the easiest ways to explain why some advanced alien civilization hasn't already shown up and said hi are:
1. Faster than light travel just isn't possible.
2. No civilization has advanced far enough to discover FTL travel
3. The universe is so big, and intelligent life so rare, that we might never meet anyone else.
4. We are such screw ups that no one else even wants to say hello.
Of those possibilities the scariest is number 2, because if that one is true it probably means that civilizations always die before they get around to discovering it.
I think it's either 1 or 4 personally.
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well, we've found a diamond planet already. which will completely destroy the diamond industry. i wonder if debeers has enough money to stop us from mining that isht when we get there.
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i don't see why Aliens would hide their existence if they have or are still visiting here.
I'm down for strip mining the universe for what ever we want.
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i don't see why Aliens would hide their existence if they have or are still visiting here.
I'm down for strip mining the universe for what ever we want.
coz your a feckin moron
its people like you that nature didn't intend for....
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A few of the easiest ways to explain why some advanced alien civilization hasn't already shown up and said hi are:
1. Faster than light travel just isn't possible.
2. No civilization has advanced far enough to discover FTL travel
3. The universe is so big, and intelligent life so rare, that we might never meet anyone else.
4. We are such screw ups that no one else even wants to say hello.
Of those possibilities the scariest is number 2, because if that one is true it probably means that civilizations always die before they get around to discovering it.
I think it's either 1 or 4 personally.
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There could be plenty of FTL civilizations but because of 3 we'll still most likely never contact them.
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paulg_68 posted:
Doesn't it seem likely that some other species already stripped our planet of every truly precious resource.
Uhm, no?
Orwyn_Blackheart posted:
Thugoneous posted:
I'm down for strip mining the universe for what ever we want.
coz your a feckin moron
its people like you that nature didn't intend for....
Actually just the opposite. Nature will not tolerate the existence of a species that places anything or anyone above itself. Nature is the ultimate enforcer of "be selfish or be extinct". If you're not on board with that then please do the gene pool a favor and punch out now.
Besides - who gives a damn if we strip mine some lifeless atmosphere-less rock? I mean seriously who or what will ever miss it??
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Nature is the ultimate enforcer of "be selfish or be extinct". If you're not on board with that then please do the gene pool a favor and punch out now.
This is strikingly close to something I was going to say and is also the basic reason why I suspect that our type of life just might be not suited to truly long term survival.
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There is nothing out there that could be any better than what we had here.
Nature needs to re-roll Earth. Maybe spec for intelligence and less for sex next time?
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Nature needs to re-roll Earth. Maybe spec for intelligence and less for sex next time?
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13 billion of evolution, 1000 to destroy most likely.
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What if Earth was developed to serve as a food source for a large scale mining operation in this solar system by an alien species?
If you were going to travel a large distance in space to mine for a long period of time you'd need a steady nearby food source. Cultivating life on a planet, or taking advantage of developing life on a planet seems like a good way to supply a large amount of food for a long time.
Think about all the sacrifices offered up to "Gods" in the past. Maybe humanity was created to take care of the food.
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If you can travel half-way across our galaxy even then you're far beyond the point where you need to "mine resources".
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If you can travel half-way across our galaxy even then you're far beyond the point where you need to "mine resources".
Right, because they'll build their ships and fuel them just by waving their arms around?
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Water is by far the most precious commodity in the universe.
The earth is 70% water.
Your logic, as normal, is terrible Paul.
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Koneg posted:
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If you can travel half-way across our galaxy even then you're far beyond the point where you need to "mine resources".
Right, because they'll build their ships and fuel them just by waving their arms around?
ZOMG THEY'RE WIZARDS!!!???
Pretty much yes. They probably convert between matter and energy at a whim.
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Water is by far the most precious commodity in the universe.
That's pretty absurd to declare until we even get out of our solar system, let alone galaxy or universe.
We don't know diddly about what's out there yet.
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A few of the easiest ways to explain why some advanced alien civilization hasn't already shown up and said hi are:
1. Faster than light travel just isn't possible.
2. No civilization has advanced far enough to discover FTL travel
3. The universe is so big, and intelligent life so rare, that we might never meet anyone else.
4. We are such screw ups that no one else even wants to say hello.
Of those possibilities the scariest is number 2, because if that one is true it probably means that civilizations always die before they get around to discovering it.
I think it's either 1 or 4 personally.
I would like to a dd a 5. There is an uber race out there that doesn't want the rest of us in space and pwns the living shit out of that species when they advance to far.
But mostly I think number 4 is correct.
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Orwyn_Blackheart posted:
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coz your a feckin moron
its people like you that nature didn't intend for....
Isn't that something. Want to be friends? Where are you from? I'm from the USA.
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Barring the discovery of FTL travel, I don't see there being very much stripping of planets around other stars for resources to ship them back to Earth. Sure, we will likely use up resources of any planets we settle on for local use, but the time and cost of shipping from other stars back to Earth at sub-FTL speeds just doesn't make sense (aside from rich people wanting to buy rare exotic collectables). Strip mining the solar system for resources on Earth is somewhat more feasible. 
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Damnit. I want my colonized asteroid belt and moon bases like I was promised as a kid back in the 60's. 
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Water is by far the most precious commodity in the universe.
The earth is 70% water.
Your logic, as normal, is terrible Paul.
It's also one of the most common. Your logic is terrible.
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Rikarus posted:
Ptilk posted:
A few of the easiest ways to explain why some advanced alien civilization hasn't already shown up and said hi are:
1. Faster than light travel just isn't possible.
2. No civilization has advanced far enough to discover FTL travel
3. The universe is so big, and intelligent life so rare, that we might never meet anyone else.
4. We are such screw ups that no one else even wants to say hello.
Of those possibilities the scariest is number 2, because if that one is true it probably means that civilizations always die before they get around to discovering it.
I think it's either 1 or 4 personally.
I would like to a dd a 5. There is an uber race out there that doesn't want the rest of us in space and pwns the living shit out of that species when they advance to far.
But mostly I think number 4 is correct.
I think #3 is much more likely.
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Pretty much yes. They probably convert between matter and energy at a whim.
I bolded that so you could perhaps figure out why I'm laughing at the idea of a space-faring race that magically no longer needs to procure raw materials
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Where did all the matter in the universe come from?
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Taliesihne posted:
Water is by far the most precious commodity in the universe.
The earth is 70% water.
Your logic, as normal, is terrible Paul.
They just found a giant ball of water the size of the milky way galaxy.
Most every know body has water in some form on it in our solar system.
Pretty sure you're the misinformed one here.
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Just because it's abundant does not mean it's not precious.
It's necessary for the existence of life.
If every precious resource on earth had been looted, we would have no water.
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So they took all the unobtanium.
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And they didn't even give us blue boobed aliens in return.
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So they took all the unobtanium.
Exactly. We have no knowledge of what is truly a precious resource because we've never seen any.
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(aside from rich people wanting to buy rare exotic collectables
Only if you order it for your great-grandson, not for yourself.
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Pretty much yes. They probably convert between matter and energy at a whim.
I bolded that so you could perhaps figure out why I'm laughing at the idea of a space-faring race that magically no longer needs to procure raw materials
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You think you need to mine it? Keep laughing.
"Mining" is a handy little word that covers just about any activity used to procure a resource in quantity. These magical aliens need to procure some kind of matter that they require to (hand-wave) magically transform it into energy. What "it" is and how they go about getting it becomes academic at that point - but "mining" certainly covers its acquisition. We mine for solids, liquids - even gases. Even if your magical aliens just scoop hydrogen off a near-by gas giant that is "mining" when you get right down to it.
The point remains that regardless of what the matter is that they magically transform into energy... they still need to obtain that matter in the first place.
So, yea, I'll just keep laughing.
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Good boy, now where do they find that matter? Kansas dust?
What has a lot of mass?
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Cabby's mom?
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Ptilk posted:
A few of the easiest ways to explain why some advanced alien civilization hasn't already shown up and said hi are:
1. Faster than light travel just isn't possible.
2. No civilization has advanced far enough to discover FTL travel
3. The universe is so big, and intelligent life so rare, that we might never meet anyone else.
4. We are such screw ups that no one else even wants to say hello.
Of those possibilities the scariest is number 2, because if that one is true it probably means that civilizations always die before they get around to discovering it.
I think it's either 1 or 4 personally.
Regardless of 2-4 number 1 is all that really makes sense given our current understanding. While 2 and 3 are possible 4 is just stupid.
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Orwyn_Blackheart posted:
Thugoneous posted:
i don't see why Aliens would hide their existence if they have or are still visiting here.
I'm down for strip mining the universe for what ever we want.
coz your a feckin moron
its people like you that nature didn't intend for....
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There is enough raw material in the solar system to maintain us for millennium. If we end up being able to travel to the stars, it won't be to grab raw materials from aliens.
Of course, if we end up electing generations of folks who don't believe in basic tenets of science, the whole question is moot.
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I believe the universe is full of life including intelligent life. I do believe that the universe is so vast we will probably never encounter any of that life. Humanity should explore and colonize the solar system though. We might find some out there some place.
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