B_Shinkicker posted:

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He voted against the Patriot Act.



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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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Patriot Act passed, that's hardly an accomplishment.

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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I don't know how the Senate works, or the rest of our Government for that matter, but I hate Ron Paul so sug it.

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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Remnant_OBrien posted:

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Ron Paul's got an ugly record, and I'm sorry that makes his Apaulogists unhappy.

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Remnant_OBrien posted:

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I wouldn't call racism honest. And i don't think he's been terribly consistent about his racism. But racism is always more opportunistic than anything.

You know you might have had a claim to fixing the country until you latched onto Ron Paul as your savior.

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reesescups posted:

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B) You are gonna go with Ron Paul being a Racists? really? u r kinda dumb n stuff

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Aerlinthian posted:

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reesescups posted:

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B) You are gonna go with Ron Paul being a Racists? really? u r kinda dumb n stuff

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Not dumb, dishonest.

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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I'm not asking about what he stands for, I'm asking about what he's actually accomplished.

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reesescups posted:

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Ron Paul has either sponsored or co-sponsored 303 pieces of legislation since April of 1976.

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/LegislativeData.php

Do your own homework, you learn more about the world and about yourself that way.

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Kjarhall posted:

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Voting on something is not an accomplishment. Unless you mean that him actually showing up to cast a vote is an accomplishment for him.

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reesescups posted:

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Ron Paul has either sponsored or co-sponsored 303 pieces of legislation since April of 1976.

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/LegislativeData.php

Do your own homework, you learn more about the world and about yourself that way.

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theredkay1 posted:

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reesescups posted:

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Ron Paul has either sponsored or co-sponsored 303 pieces of legislation since April of 1976.

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/LegislativeData.php

Do your own homework, you learn more about the world and about yourself that way.

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Thats 303 during the 112th congress. 4 passed. 2 of those were renaming libraries.

Impressive.

You get a C+ on your homework.

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Moe_Nox posted:

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Kjarhall posted:

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Voting on something is not an accomplishment. Unless you mean that him actually showing up to cast a vote is an accomplishment for him.

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While true, it is the best indicator of what a person actually stands for. While nothing gets accomplished in DC on most days (and that may be a blessing) votes do tell us a politicos direction.
Especially a lifelong entrenched politico like Ron Paul.

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We the People Act - Prohibits the Supreme Court and each federal court from adjudicating any claim or relying on judicial decisions involving: (1) state or local laws, regulations, or policies concerning the free exercise or establishment of religion; (2) the right of privacy, including issues of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction; or (3) the right to marry without regard to sex or sexual orientation where based upon equal protection of the laws.

Allows the Supreme Court and the federal courts to determine the constitutionality of federal statutes, administrative rules, or procedures in considering cases arising under the Constitution. Prohibits the Supreme Court and the federal courts from issuing any ruling that appropriates or expends money, imposes taxes, or otherwise interferes with the legislative functions or administrative discretion of the states.

Authorizes any party or intervener in matters before any federal court, including the Supreme Court, to challenge the jurisdiction of the court under this Act.

Provides that the violation of this Act by any justice or judge is an impeachable offense and a material breach of good behavior subject to removal.

Negates as binding precedent on the state courts any federal court decision that relates to an issue removed from federal jurisdiction by this Act or otherwise interfering with the legislative functions or administrative discretion of the states.

Sanctity of Life Act of 2011 - Deems human life to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency and requires that the term "person" include all such human life. Recognizes that each state has authority to protect the lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that state.

Amends the federal judicial code to remove Supreme Court and district court jurisdiction to review cases arising out of any statute, ordinance, rule, regulation, or practice, or any act interpreting such a measure, on the grounds that such measure: (1) protects the rights of human persons between conception and birth; or (2) prohibits, limits, or regulates the performance of abortions or the provision of public funds, facilities, personnel, or other assistance for abortions.

Makes this Act and the amendments made by this Act applicable to any case pending on, or commenced on or after, the date of enactment.

Repeals the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution three years after ratification of this amendment and thereafter prohibits Congress from levying taxes on personal incomes, estates, and gifts.

Taxpayers' Freedom of Conscience Act of 2011 - Prohibits a federal official from expending federal funds for any foreign or domestic population control or population planning program or family planning activity (including any abortion procedure).

Remnant_OBrien posted:

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I wouldn't call racism honest. And i don't think he's been terribly consistent about his racism. But racism is always more opportunistic than anything.

You know you might have had a claim to fixing the country until you latched onto Ron Paul as your savior.

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Taliesihne posted:

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Ron Paul is a career politician and Washington Insider whose biggest accomplishment is his integrity.

For someone who has been a legislator for 35 years, his resume should be a lot thicker. Actually delivering on his policy proposals, for example.

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Groucho48 posted:

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Some amusing stuff.

HR 958

We the People Act - Prohibits the Supreme Court and each federal court from adjudicating any claim or relying on judicial decisions involving: (1) state or local laws, regulations, or policies concerning the free exercise or establishment of religion; (2) the right of privacy, including issues of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction; or (3) the right to marry without regard to sex or sexual orientation where based upon equal protection of the laws.

Allows the Supreme Court and the federal courts to determine the constitutionality of federal statutes, administrative rules, or procedures in considering cases arising under the Constitution. Prohibits the Supreme Court and the federal courts from issuing any ruling that appropriates or expends money, imposes taxes, or otherwise interferes with the legislative functions or administrative discretion of the states.

Authorizes any party or intervener in matters before any federal court, including the Supreme Court, to challenge the jurisdiction of the court under this Act.

Provides that the violation of this Act by any justice or judge is an impeachable offense and a material breach of good behavior subject to removal.

Negates as binding precedent on the state courts any federal court decision that relates to an issue removed from federal jurisdiction by this Act or otherwise interfering with the legislative functions or administrative discretion of the states.

HR 1096

Sanctity of Life Act of 2011 - Deems human life to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency and requires that the term "person" include all such human life. Recognizes that each state has authority to protect the lives of unborn children residing in the jurisdiction of that state.

Amends the federal judicial code to remove Supreme Court and district court jurisdiction to review cases arising out of any statute, ordinance, rule, regulation, or practice, or any act interpreting such a measure, on the grounds that such measure: (1) protects the rights of human persons between conception and birth; or (2) prohibits, limits, or regulates the performance of abortions or the provision of public funds, facilities, personnel, or other assistance for abortions.

Makes this Act and the amendments made by this Act applicable to any case pending on, or commenced on or after, the date of enactment.

HR Res 50

Repeals the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution three years after ratification of this amendment and thereafter prohibits Congress from levying taxes on personal incomes, estates, and gifts.

HR1099

Taxpayers' Freedom of Conscience Act of 2011 - Prohibits a federal official from expending federal funds for any foreign or domestic population control or population planning program or family planning activity (including any abortion procedure).

I like the combination in the first two. The first one declares the Feds absolutely cannot interfere if a state decides to become a Christian state or to ban gay marriage or to forbid any sexual practice the state considers icky. The second one mandates that the Feds not allow states to decide for themselves when human life begins.

In other words, a typical right winger who wants to legislate against anything he personally doesn't approve of.

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Kordirn posted:

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You're right. Unlike other politicians Ron Paul doesn't have a long a distinguished list of passed legislature that is speeding the decay of this nation. Guess we will have to vote for Mitt Romney instead.

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Goddamn.... How you get from giving the states MORE FREEDOM to LEGISLATING ANYTHING HE PERSONALLY DOESN'T APPROVE OF is a leap of stupid that I didn't even think you could make.


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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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loon you are an idiot

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Groucho48 posted:

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Goddamn.... How you get from giving the states MORE FREEDOM to LEGISLATING ANYTHING HE PERSONALLY DOESN'T APPROVE OF is a leap of stupid that I didn't even think you could make.


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Did you read both the bill descriptions? In the first, he says the Feds can't tell the states not to impose Christian values, or allow gay marriage or prohibit whatever sex acts they want...because there is NO right of privacy.

In the second bill, he gives the Feds the power to prevent any state from deciding when human life begins.

In other words, he only wants the Feds to have the power to enforce things HE wants enforced but takes away that power to prohibit things HE wants to be allowed to do...like be in the bedroom of every couple in the state.

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