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"The people at the present moment, they are all rascals. Just like animals. And yes, actually they are animals. Just like animals are eating, sleeping, mating, and eating meat. The other one animal is eating another animal. That's all. No discretion, nothing. This is a civilization of animals, polished animals. Their consciousness has become animalistic. Therefore this Krsna consciousness movement. Just like children. They are animals, just like animals. They have no fixed program. Whatever they like, they are doing. Whatever they like, they are speaking. Simply they are interested in eating. So at the present moment, because they have lost all their power of reasoning and understanding, they are all animals." Our race has dwindled to the level of a lower life form and lost our ability to reason consciously and compassionately.. He goes on in this talk to speak of modern day thinkers, our concept of god etc.. very interesting and sad. http://prabhupadavani.org/main/AFP/Walks/MW005.html
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Sounds like a standard "everything was better in the good old days" spiel.
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His thinking is muddled, scattered, and animalistic. I am sure that a swami from days gone by had a more conscious and focused theory.
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Man has been eating meat since the beginning of time. To do otherwise is unnatural!
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Coriolus posted: Our race has dwindled to the level of a lower life form and lost our ability to reason consciously and compassionately..
Given that our race would not even exist as a sentient apex predator if we didn't eat meat, I can live with us being "animals".
It is only those trapped within an evolutionary cul-de-sac that believe we are somehow lessened by the eating of meat.
"Animals" > "Plants"
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The swami sounds like an idiot
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Coriolus posted: Our race has dwindled to the level of a lower life form and lost our ability to reason consciously and compassionately..
Given that our race would not even exist as a sentient apex predator if we didn't eat meat, I can live with us being "animals". It is only those trapped within an evolutionary cul-de-sac that believe we are somehow lessened by the eating of meat. "Animals" > "Plants"
Eating meat is fine in that evolutionary context where people were trying to survive and were opportunistic. Much thought went into killing and consuming the animals. Today if people had to kill their own meat almost everyone would be vegetarian, fact! Including you Konehead. Today people just drone ahead in their daily lives consuming things without much thought at all which is what this swami was trying to point out. People today are as conscious about what they are doing as a conveyor belt is about conveying, they simply drone ahead eating what they want, saying what they want and hurting those they hurt without even a thought about consequences. The fact that you don't understand what he is saying and what it means on a larger scale simply proves your are an outposter.. congrats.
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Unhh.. not everyone killed their own meat. They had hunters who did it. The modern day hunters are now the people who run farms or slaughterhouses.
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That semi-philosophical rant was the weakest support for vegetarianism I've read so far.
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Coriolus posted: Today if people had to kill their own meat almost everyone would be vegetarian, fact! Including you Konehead.
Uhm, then why is it that when people did have to kill their own meat literally no one was a vegetarian?
Do you not stop to think logically even for a microsecond? I'm guessing you can't - not enough meat in your diet.
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RHWarrior posted: That semi-philosophical rant was the weakest support for vegetarianism I've read so far.
Rant? lol And it wasn't really a support for vegetarianism but rather a perspective from an enlightened being.
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Coriolus posted: Today if people had to kill their own meat almost everyone would be vegetarian, fact! Including you Konehead.
Uhm, then why is it that when people did have to kill their own meat literally no one was a vegetarian? Do you not stop to think logically even for a microsecond? I'm guessing you can't - not enough meat in your diet.
omfg you are an idiot. People are disconnected from the land and getting their own food which is why we go to supermarkets and pick the food we are disconnected from. Your brain cell singularity is something to behold dude.. like holy shit! lol
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Coriolus posted: Today people just drone ahead in their daily lives consuming things without much thought at all which is what this swami was trying to point out. People today are as conscious about what they are doing as a conveyor belt is about conveying, they simply drone ahead eating what they want, saying what they want and hurting those they hurt without even a thought about consequences.
People today aren't drones who consume without thinking. Sure, large groups of people do seem that way in average behavior when your split them up into stereotyped groups, but when you break those groups down into individuals, they are all acting on their own thoughts, motivations, and goals.
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tenkly posted: Unhh.. not everyone killed their own meat. They had hunters who did it. The modern day hunters are now the people who run farms or slaughterhouses.
Yes this is true but it was a thoughtful act, an act that took planning and a conscious effort. The animals were respected and every part used, nothing wasted. Today it is all for profit and greed and there is zero respect for the animal.
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If people had to get thier own food most of them would just starve to death, not become vegetarians.
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Coriolus posted: Yes this is true but it was a thoughtful act, an act that took planning and a conscious effort. The animals were respected and every part used, nothing wasted. Today it is all for profit and greed and there is zero respect for the animal.
Modern slaughterhouses waste less of the animals today than any primitive society ever did. Throwing any any part of the animal becomes a cost rather than a profit.
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Scarne posted: People today aren't drones who consume without thinking. Sure, large groups of people do seem that way in average behavior when your split them up into stereotyped groups, but when you break those groups down into individuals, they are all acting on their own thoughts, motivations, and goals.
I totally disagree. People think they are acting on their own goals but their goals are the goals of marketing and government schooling that has taught them to live and behave in certain ways. This behavioral modification is deeply rooted and stems from the desire to control the masses and turn free thinking people into worker bees who consume the way they do to keep the economic wheel turning and solidify the status quo.. Rascals!
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_Enkidu_ posted: If people had to get thier own food most of them would just starve to death, not become vegetarians.
haha yes this too which is even more sad and pathetic.
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_Enkidu_ posted: If people had to get thier own food most of them would just starve to death, not become vegetarians.
haha yes this too which is even more sad and pathetic.
No, it is more about the economies of scale. Modern agriculture is needed to support the number of people on the planet. The resources just aren't available with the waste introduced by having everyone farm and hunt for themselves.
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Coriolus posted:
Koneg posted:
Coriolus posted: Our race has dwindled to the level of a lower life form and lost our ability to reason consciously and compassionately..
Given that our race would not even exist as a sentient apex predator if we didn't eat meat, I can live with us being "animals". It is only those trapped within an evolutionary cul-de-sac that believe we are somehow lessened by the eating of meat. "Animals" > "Plants"
Eating meat is fine in that evolutionary context where people were trying to survive and were opportunistic. Much thought went into killing and consuming the animals. Today if people had to kill their own meat almost everyone would be vegetarian, fact! Including you Konehead. Today people just drone ahead in their daily lives consuming things without much thought at all which is what this swami was trying to point out. People today are as conscious about what they are doing as a conveyor belt is about conveying, they simply drone ahead eating what they want, saying what they want and hurting those they hurt without even a thought about consequences. The fact that you don't understand what he is saying and what it means on a larger scale simply proves your are an outposter.. congrats.
I bet you use a lighter or matches when you want to set something on fire... HETHEN!!! BLASPHEMER@!@@
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I just read thruough some of the swami's posting, it's pretty much a crapfest. Why do you like it?
Instead of trying to understand some of those issues, he just goes "I don't get it so how can it be?" There is really no value in anything he's saying, you might as well be posting a rant by Tom Cruise about the evils of psychology.
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My brother in law hunts and kills all his families meat. They live on primarily venison..he fishes all summer and they freeze fish. He hunts wild turkey..pheasant and grouse. They also eat rabbit.
That family will never go hungry.
He trades a farmer venison for chicken. He trades meat for hunting ground too.
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_Enkidu_ posted: I just read thruough some of the swami's posting, it's pretty much a crapfest. Why do you like it? Instead of trying to understand some of those issues, he just goes "I don't get it so how can it be?" There is really no value in anything he's saying, you might as well be posting a rant by Tom Cruise about the evils of psychology.
You either can't read or have zero comprehension if you get that from it.
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Halloweve posted: My brother in law hunts and kills all his families meat. They live on primarily venison..he fishes all summer and they freeze fish. He hunts wild turkey..pheasant and grouse. They also eat rabbit. That family will never go hungry. He trades a farmer venison for chicken. He trades meat for hunting ground too.
He is an exception..
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This is your brain on crack:
Coriolus posted: omfg you are an idiot. People are disconnected from the land and getting their own food which is why we go to supermarkets and pick the food we are disconnected from.
Your brain cell singularity is something to behold dude.. like holy shit! lol
Any questions?
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Koneg posted: ... Do you not stop to think logically even for a microsecond? I'm guessing you can't - not enough meat in your diet.
We've seen this before on the OP - it seems like Colonus goes through these phases. He's probably secretly eating meat a couple of weeks per month, but by the end has such a protein deficit his brain is randomly starting to shut down.
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RHWarrior posted:
Koneg posted: ... Do you not stop to think logically even for a microsecond? I'm guessing you can't - not enough meat in your diet.
We've seen this before on the OP - it seems like Colonus goes through these phases. He's probably secretly eating meat a couple of weeks per month, but by the end has such a protein deficit his brain is randomly starting to shut down.
w/e you say AnalWarrior
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He is. What I respect about him..is he has ethics in his hunting.
He won't kill anything too young..he won't take a doe if he sees she has yearlings with her. He does not bait. He will hunt all day..and say he didn't feel comfortable about his shot..so he will wait for the next day. He is exceptional with a bow or a shotgun.
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Coriolus posted: I totally disagree. People think they are acting on their own goals but their goals are the goals of marketing and government schooling that has taught them to live and behave in certain ways.
So? Even if they are influenced, people are still acting upon their own thoughts. Coriolus posted: This behavioral modification is deeply rooted and stems from the desire to control the masses and turn free thinking people into worker bees who consume the way they do to keep the economic wheel turning and solidify the status quo..
"Worker bees" are the majority of the population for humans throughout history just like any other social animal. Even back in primitive times, people would generally go along with the desires of the tribal chief and medicine man; anyone who went against the flow would be kicked out of the tribe and forced to survive on their own. This doesn't mean that the "worker bees" were without thoughts or dreams of their own however. There is precious little examples throughout history where you would have a community of any decent size where everyone was a "free thinker" who could do what they want (especially since most of history had slavery and/or women subjugated to status little more than property).
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Halloweve posted: He is. What I respect about him..is he has ethics in his hunting. He won't kill anything too young..he won't take a doe if he sees she has yearlings with her. He does not bait. He will hunt all day..and say he didn't feel comfortable about his shot..so he will wait for the next day. He is exceptional with a bow or a shotgun.
This is what I am talking about when I say 'conscious', he is clearly putting thought into his act and does it in a way that has the least impact on the animals he is hunting, selecting purposely certain animals and not others. People don't use their brains today for anything else but greed and gluttony and if they do society calls them philanthropists or strange/eccentric.
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Scarne posted: (especially since most of history had slavery and/or women subjugated to status little more than property).
Actually there is a ton of evidence (physical, behavioral, cultural, and evolutionary) to suggest this is simply not true - concerning women. It has only been this way for the past about 6k years... meaning we even made it about half way into the agricultural age before we subjugated women on a massive scale. IMO we can blame the rise of Religiousness for this.
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Coriolus posted: People don't use their brains today for anything else but greed and gluttony and if they do society calls them philanthropists or strange/eccentric.
Well you don't ever have to worry about being called any of those things... We will just stick to calling you a ignorant pompous douche bag!
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Coriolus posted: People don't use their brains today for anything else but greed and gluttony and if they do society calls them philanthropists or strange/eccentric.
Well you don't ever have to worry about being called any of those things... We will just stick to calling you a ignorant pompous douche bag!
And I will stick to calling you an ignorant, narrow minded vagina.. How ya doin' vagina? Vajay jay perhaps?
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Whats the matter VajayJay? Vagina itchy? Pussy got your tongue?
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reesescups posted: What's funny about a pussy having my tongue? I love eating pussy... Why don't you go suck on a cucumber...
True, pussy is good, I will just call you a cunt then
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Christ man, get some proper food in you. This is bordering on a meltdown.
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Coriolus posted:
You either can't read or have zero comprehension if you get that from it.
I'm guessing you didn't read it, then.
The swami's argument against the big bang is "who set up the bomb?" Really? That's your argument?
Other than being mildly amusing for his lack of coherent thought, what else are you getting out of this junk?
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RHWarrior posted: Christ man, get some proper food in you.
This is bordering on a meltdown.
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That is so sophomoric Corilolus could have written it.
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