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So how dumb is it that somebody would go to JAIL for downloading a movie?
Seriously, the fact those F***ers would even try and put that in law, makes me want to never purchase another movie again, and I used to buy a lot of movies. I don't buy more than 2 or 3 movies a year anymore because I got pissed off with the shift to BluRay and how much they were over charging for that. For the record, I don't pirate anything either.
The entire problem is one of entitlement in my opinion. Entertainment people EXPECT to get payed insane amounts of money for what they do now and the fact that they can no longer all become huge millionaires on the current business plan and maybe never again in the future, really irks them. In a lot of ways, it is similar to how the old cart and buggy drivers hated vehicles when they first came out.
Still, JAIL terms for people who illegally accessed something? WTF. Does that logic eventually mean if we walk by a TV store and see a movie playing that we can go to jail if we dont pay a few dollar fee?
Then you have your idiotic members of the US Congress who happily jump on board this retarded bill because there is $94 million in Lobbying funds coming their way but when more important things come around, they are too divided to do anything. The even more hilarious part is that all the sponsors of this bill are 150 years old and probably have never touched a computer in their life.
As bad as it sounds, I hope the entire movie industry goes bust. What replaces it will "get it" and finally come to grips with reality.
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It always kind of bothered me that movie stars made millions while our fire fighters/police/EMTs/etc made peanuts in comparison.
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This will help overcrowding in the prison system.
The most hardened and dangerous criminals. *looks a cellblock full of acne and inmates playing magic the gathering*
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Once content delivery systems improve, prices will decline as well as piracy. Steam is proof.
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So how dumb is it that somebody would go to JAIL for downloading a movie?
Seriously, the fact those F***ers would even try and put that in law, makes me want to never purchase another movie again, and I used to buy a lot of movies. I don't buy more than 2 or 3 movies a year anymore because I got pissed off with the shift to BluRay and how much they were over charging for that. For the record, I don't pirate anything either.
The entire problem is one of entitlement in my opinion. Entertainment people EXPECT to get payed insane amounts of money for what they do now and the fact that they can no longer all become huge millionaires on the current business plan and maybe never again in the future, really irks them. In a lot of ways, it is similar to how the old cart and buggy drivers hated vehicles when they first came out.
Still, JAIL terms for people who illegally accessed something? WTF. Does that logic eventually mean if we walk by a TV store and see a movie playing that we can go to jail if we dont pay a few dollar fee?
Then you have your idiotic members of the US Congress who happily jump on board this retarded bill because there is $94 million in Lobbying funds coming their way but when more important things come around, they are too divided to do anything. The even more hilarious part is that all the sponsors of this bill are 150 years old and prob
ably have never touched a computer in their life.
As bad as it sounds, I hope the entire movie industry goes bust. What replaces it will "get it" and finally come to grips with reality.
Agree completely. Not to say piracy isn't a problem, but personal use should not be punishable by being incarcerated.
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I think the protests are going about it all wrong.
Protesting the entertainment industry by boycotting it would be a lot more effective.
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It always kind of bothered me that movie stars made millions while our fire fighters/police/EMTs/etc made peanuts in comparison.
That bothers everybody but I get WHY they are payed that. Over the last 80 years or so, people went to movies in large numbers and payed ticket prices that meant developers of movies got payed a lot of money. The later VHS and DVD craze made even MORE money, so that got dispursed to movie people.
On top of that, until about 20 years ago, there were a lot LESS entertainment types available to people to spend money on so movies, music and sports got the majority of entertainment money from people.
Fine.
However, todays world is different. People are no longer buying DVD and Blu-Ray in huge numbers, movies are down, tv is down, etc, etc.
So, replace your model or accept the fact that movies may never be a $25million per actor per movie industry again.
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I wouldn't say entertainers get paid a lot. Some of them don't get paid crap while some others get hundreds of millions. If there's anything wrong with the entertainment industry these days that would be the biggest problem I think.
This is all government backed though. Biden has been a patsy for the MPAA and RIAA for his entire career as the joke of the senator he was. The DoJ is filled with former MPAA/RIAA laywers. One of the more prominent and powerful democratic leaders left the senate and is now the CEO of the MPAA (Chris Dodd). We should be voting out any and every senator and congressmen who tossed their support behind the bills, even if they now withdrew it.
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stealing is stealing, be it a pack of gum, a movie or an airplane
how would you feel if that was your movie and you invested 200 million dollars, months of your hard work and time and some snot nosed kid watched it for free?
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RIAA shuts down Youtube due to copyright violations. Their newest competitor and the emerging medium hurting their market share.
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stealing is stealing, be it a pack of gum, a movie or an airplane
how would you feel if that was your movie and you invested 200 million dollars, months of your hard work and time and some snot nosed kid watched it for free?
They probably shouldn't care cause if a movie spends that much they either failed horribly on their own mistakes or they made 5x the cost back in revenue. Some movies have massive profit margins, generally speaking
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stealing is stealing, be it a pack of gum, a movie or an airplane
how would you feel if that was your movie and you invested 200 million dollars, months of your hard work and time and some snot nosed kid watched it for free?
I'd feel pretty freaking awesome for having 200million dollars to do stupid profanity with like invest in a crappy movie.
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People still go to the actual movies to see stuff, they make millions in the first weekend alone of being shown if they're any good...
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Phaelon_TD posted:
Once content delivery systems improve, prices will decline as well as piracy. Steam is proof.
I agree with this. Piece out shows or channels like HBO. Let me only buy True Blood since I don't watch those other shows.
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the industry needs to evolve with the times, rather then try to bully it's consumers into their way of thinking; they are only hurting themselves by going against the flow.
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I wouldn't say entertainers get paid a lot. Some of them don't get paid crap while some others get hundreds of millions. If there's anything wrong with the entertainment industry these days that would be the biggest problem I think.
This is all government backed though. Biden has been a patsy for the MPAA and RIAA for his entire career as the joke of the senator he was. The DoJ is filled with former MPAA/RIAA laywers. One of the more prominent and powerful democratic leaders left the senate and is now the CEO of the MPAA (Chris Dodd). We should be voting out any and every senator and congressmen who tossed their support behind the bills, even if they now withdrew it.
The problem of some of them getting millions and others getting a little bit is not my problem.
Their future business model may only support nobody getting millions and everybody getting a little bit.
Just like most of the other industries in this world that have lost Earning Power due to Job Automation, outsourcing or other things.
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stealing is stealing, be it a pack of gum, a movie or an airplane
how would you feel if that was your movie and you invested 200 million dollars, months of your hard work and time and some snot nosed kid watched it for free?
I know you are trolling, but then maybe they need to STOP spending $200 million dollars on a movie or change their content delivery methods so they are making money off the snot nosed kid watching it for free.
After all, Snot Nosed kid is only watching it. He isn't reproducing it or reselling it or whatever.
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Watch a movie like transformers. How much money do you think that movie made off of advertising?
A lot.
A whole lot.
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it really reminds me of the southpark episode when they show the stars being hurt by online piracy
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Korn is losing too much money from piraters! Its at the point where they only make profits from touring.
korn is losing money because they suck 
and this is why we have to pay $125 for concert tickets
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Korn is losing too much money from piraters! Its at the point where they only make profits from touring.
korn is losing money because they suck
and this is why we have to pay $125 for concert tickets
If that is too much, stop going. Download the live bootleg for free.
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You'd think sending someone to jail for just downloading a movie would run into the whole "cruel and unusual punishment" thing of the eighth amendment. Granted, we're also talking about an administration that backs $20,000+ per song fines also..
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i am trolling...
remember when Napster got shut down and everyone freaked, illegal downloads are worse today than ever, you can't stop it so why worry about it
10 years from now nothing will have changed except i will own VN and Mithan will be fired and homeless
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You'd think sending someone to jail for just downloading a movie would run into the whole "cruel and unusual punishment" thing of the eighth amendment. Granted, we're also talking about an administration that backs $20,000+ per song fines also..
I would like a source for the POTUS backing these fines.
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Korn is losing too much money from piraters! Its at the point where they only make profits from touring.
korn is losing money because they suck
and this is why we have to pay $125 for concert tickets
I just trolled the king of trolls. Welcome to the Kornhole!
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You'd think sending someone to jail for just downloading a movie would run into the whole "cruel and unusual punishment" thing of the eighth amendment. Granted, we're also talking about an administration that backs $20,000+ per song fines also..
I would like a source for the POTUS backing these fines.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/tenenbaum-appeal/
That's just one of the first hits on google, they've backed excessive fines numerous times. Like I said, with a little profanity like Biden as your VP that's what you get
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Korn is losing too much money from piraters! Its at the point where they only make profits from touring.
uh no musical act makes their money from cd's they get like pennies for each cd sold.
they sell 2 million cd's and get paid 5 cents per cd, you do do the math....
All musical acts make their cash from touring...
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the_great_intex posted:
You'd think sending someone to jail for just downloading a movie would run into the whole "cruel and unusual punishment" thing of the eighth amendment. Granted, we're also talking about an administration that backs $20,000+ per song fines also..
I would like a source for the POTUS backing these fines.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/tenenbaum-appeal/
That's just one of the first hits on google, they've backed excessive fines numerous times. Like I said, with a little profanity like Biden as your VP that's what you get
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My issue is that there is no censensus on how much money people are actually losing due to piracy.
Every study contradicts the one before it. Hollywood just totals up all prices for every hit a torrent gets and calls it the price tag of piracy, but REAL studies often show that people who would PAY for the IP in question will pay for it no matter what. I think a recent white house study came to the conclusion taht the costs of piracy have been vastly exaggerated...
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My issue is that there is no censensus on how much money people are actually losing due to piracy.
Every study contradicts the one before it. Hollywood just totals up all prices for every hit a torrent gets and calls it the price tag of piracy, but REAL studies often show that people who would PAY for the IP in question will pay for it no matter what. I think a recent white house study came to the conclusion taht the costs of piracy have been vastly exaggerated...
It probably has. I know people who pirate a LOT of movies a year, they also BUY a lot of movies a year.
If they totally lost the ability to pirate, would they purchase MORE movies than they already do? A few for sure, but they certainly would NOT purchase all the movies they are pirating.
I know people who pirate movies and purchase nothing and wouldn't purchase anything if they lost the ability either.
So yes, I think they do lose money but not as much as they think they do.
Also, lets not forget that people will say outrageous things to prove a point. Politicians blow things out of proportion all the time to scare or convince people into their view, so seeing companies tell Politicians they are "losing many billions! do something" is only natural.
Again, this all goes back to price as well. I do buy BluRays when they drop below $10 and are for sale at WalMart or BestBuy, I just don't buy them at more expensive prices and why should I when we know you will have to buy them again in 5 years when the new 4k resolution screens become standard.
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The model needs to change radically. They are just going to keep trying to milk it until they collapse under their own weight and fail. Considering the money they throw around and legal clout they have bought with it it'll take a long time and they'll do a lot of damage before that happens.
I buy lots of movies and tv boxed sets but I also Netflix a hell of a lot and use other avenues to watch shows. If there was a reasonably priced source online for downloading movies without all the DRM and other crap I would be all over it even if I could just as easily get the movie another way. That would require it be customer oriented and be well put together... high bandwidth, good selection, no crap like special players or drm, etc. Yes something I can download and do whatever the hell I want to with it. Make it so you are paying for the package and not the actual movie/song. It is the same way for me for movies.
I will buy a boxed set (tv shows or movie collection) even if I only watch it once and even knowing I could've downloaded it in the time it took me to go get the boxed set. It is worth it to me... that is why I do it. That is also why I don't go to theaters... it isn't worth it to me. It is as simple as that. They need to adjust their business model to the new reality and innovate instead of litigating.
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and people think courts and jails are overcrowded now? 
funny that a recent congressman that came for a visit supports this, but blasted the Bureau of Prisons for overcrowding and having too many staff and rejecting money for new prisons. 
hell we have prisons waiting 2 years to be activated!
and this is yet another fine example of Lobbyists in full control in DC. 
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For a long time you've not been able to get Garth Brooks songs on youtube, now they are also going away on grooveshark. I think someone doesn't understand how advertizing works. I often check out songs on a CD like that before I buy it, and, it also exposes me to other songs I may not have heard.
Well, some Brooks songs are on there, but not all.
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I didn't even know garth brooks even made music still. I thought he just did cameos now or something
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what the hell is a garth brooks?
instead of youtube you will have to go to another site to check him out
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you don't go to jail for petty theft, you shouldn't go to jail for copyright infringement, nor should anyone be fined thousands of dollars.
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Korn is losing too much money from piraters! Its at the point where they only make profits from touring.
uh no musical act makes their money from cd's they get like pennies for each cd sold.
they sell 2 million cd's and get paid 5 cents per cd, you do do the math....
All musical acts make their cash from touring...
metallica is one of the few bands who actually make money on their CDs, they get like a dollar per cd sale instead of pennies like others.
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My issue is that there is no censensus on how much money people are actually losing due to piracy.
Every study contradicts the one before it. Hollywood just totals up all prices for every hit a torrent gets and calls it the price tag of piracy, but REAL studies often show that people who would PAY for the IP in question will pay for it no matter what. I think a recent white house study came to the conclusion taht the costs of piracy have been vastly exaggerated...
the issue I see in it is this, how many people were not planning to see whatever movie in the theater because they didn't think they'd like it. They then watched a crappy cam copy online and decide that it's too good to miss.... this is GAINED revenue.
The person that can't afford to go see a movie is not watching it at home INSTEAD of the theater, they would not be paying for it regardless. This is Not a gain or loss of revenue.
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didn't someone already prove that piracy is a positive thing for sales? i mean i think of it the same way i think of youtube now. all those videos on vevo and stuff are awesome and since i click related a ton, i end up listening to new stuff i've not heard before. guess what i'm prone to do if i like that new music? *gasp* buy it!
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Steelwind_Oo posted:
The model needs to change radically. They are just going to keep trying to milk it until they collapse under their own weight and fail. Considering the money they throw around and legal clout they have bought with it it'll take a long time and they'll do a lot of damage before that happens.
There IS hope though.
Seeing a lot of progress lately in how media is delivered to customers. Prime examples being the Kevin Smith movie Red State, and the latest Louis CK stand up special. Eliminate the giant studio distribution machines entirely and create a path directly from the creators to the end users/viewers/whatever.
Once people start figuring out how those guys did it, it WILL catch on and the general public as well as the media creators will profit.
edit: For those that don't know what I'm talking about, check the Louis CK page at https://buy.louisck.net/
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No DRM, no regional restrictions, no crap. You can download this file, play it as much as you like, burn it to a DVD, whatever.
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Gildash posted:
Steelwind_Oo posted:
The model needs to change radically. They are just going to keep trying to milk it until they collapse under their own weight and fail. Considering the money they throw around and legal clout they have bought with it it'll take a long time and they'll do a lot of damage before that happens.
There IS hope though.
Seeing a lot of progress lately in how media is delivered to customers. Prime examples being the Kevin Smith movie Red State, and the latest Louis CK stand up special. Eliminate the giant studio distribution machines entirely and create a path directly from the creators to the end users/viewers/whatever.
Once people start figuring out how those guys did it, it WILL catch on and the general public as well as the media creators will profit.
edit: For those that don't know what I'm talking about, check the Louis CK page at https://buy.louisck.net/
" You're here to buy the Louis C.K. - Live at the Beacon Theater special. This is only available on this site at a cost of $5, worldwide[1], paid via PayPal or Amazon.
No DRM, no regional restrictions, no crap. You can download this file, play it as much as you like, burn it to a DVD, whatever.
"
Wow, that's awesome. I LOVE Louis CK, awesome show, awesome standup, awesome all around. His news section is pretty telling too
https://buy.louisck.net/news
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Society isn't so advanced that justice and liberty are automatic givens.
Whether we'll let our Library of Alexandria fall, that being the internet, is up to us... the citizens of the world. We're talking about the greatest equalizer of human knowledge and communication. Anyone with the will and access can learn from any opinion or source that they want to, and can participate in any culture. Governments of varying sorts will all want to control it, and it's up to the people of the world to not bow to that.
Google site:vnboards.ign.com BritonGuy RIAA or Britonguy piracy if you want my other thoughts on it. Piracy isn't stealing food off anyone's table, and a fair look at anti-pirates vs pirates finds the anti-pirates just as much or even more immoral.
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Onslaught. posted:
I think the protests are going about it all wrong.
Protesting the entertainment industry by boycotting it would be a lot more effective.
That's what p2p and downloads are...and SOPA is their response to boycotting.
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Onslaught. posted:
I think the protests are going about it all wrong.
Protesting the entertainment industry by boycotting it would be a lot more effective.
That's what p2p and downloads are...and SOPA is their response to boycotting.
I don't agree. P2P and downloads are very much a normal part of life for the average consumer. The same people who buy from the entertainment industries also pirate from them and make up a very large portion of the average P2P download base. The veil of propaganda is lifted and most people just aren't that shocked by fear mongering of anti-piracy leagues. They share some stuff, buy some stuff, and most likely the piracy leads to greater profits rather than a loss.
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the_great_intex posted:
" You're here to buy the Louis C.K. - Live at the Beacon Theater special. This is only available on this site at a cost of $5, worldwide[1], paid via PayPal or Amazon.
No DRM, no regional restrictions, no crap. You can download this file, play it as much as you like, burn it to a DVD, whatever.
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AA band i am a big fan of, stuck mojo, does this same thing. They dropped their label many years ago and have done the last 2 albums for sale thru the net. THey have made more money since dropping their label then before. I now truly own every one of their albums, and a vast majority of my money (all cept the first 2 albums i bought at Best Buy) go straight to them and not to a POS record label.
I really wish more people would take this stance. I have no problem throwing some bones to the people who make the movies, music and games i like. But i am sick of paying for profanity music, profanity movies and $60.00 games that have less than 40 hours of game play and NO replay value.
Oh, and regarding games..... If you want me to pay 60 bucks for a game, it better be ATLEAST 60 hours to beat it.
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