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Just because Repubs imposed a 60 day window to make a decision...
Talk about picking up your ball and going home in a huff....
http://nationaljournal.com/congress/obama-rejecting-pipeline-pokes-back-at-gop-20120118?mrefid=subhplead_1
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I see Obama is using his original formula for creating jobs.
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There already is a pipeline from there into the US. It just doesn't go all the way to Houston.
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That's pretty funny, and unusually disingenuous from skonk. 
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I see Obama is using his original formula for creating jobs.
The pipeline is a few thousand temporary jobs total (mostly low skill labor which would probably get filled by brown-skinned people anyways) and a small handful of permanent jobs.
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Canadians DO NOT want this pipeline, fuck your jobs. not our problem
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I'm for it! We need more energy!
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Look for alternative energy.. one that doesn't rob me of my oil 
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I see Obama is using his original formula for creating jobs.
The pipeline is a few thousand temporary jobs total (mostly low skill labor which would probably get filled by brown-skinned people anyways) and a small handful of permanent jobs.
All jobs are temporary, and its the low skill crowd that needs some love anyhow. The highly skilled people are not the ones losing their homes.
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I'm for it! We need more energy!
you're pretty dumb if you think that will be used for our energy and not sold overseas
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Take your bad self witchy ass pipeline and shove it!
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The pipeline is a stupid idea that will do nothing to help with the oil shortage. Know why? There isn't any god damn oil shortage. The US EXPORTED more oil and oil products last year than it imported. First time in like 70 years or something. The US is poised to become the biggest exporter of natural gas in the world as well.
This pipeline isn't about securing more needed oil for the American people, it's not about reducing dependency on mid-east oil (we aren't dependent upon it now), it's not about jobs (in fact the number of jobs created by it would be less than the number of trucking and related industry jobs it would destroy)....it's about oil companies increasing profit margins by plopping a pipe full of oil right smack dab on top of the source of fresh water for millions of Americans and doing so while bypassing the required environmental impact studies because some Republican Senators got their panties in a wad about letting poor people get a tax break.
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We exported finished petroleum products. We still imported oil.
Kinda like...just because you export chairs doesnt mean you arent importing wood to make those chairs.
We have lots of refining capacity in the Gulf Coast Area. We have lots of excess oil in the Northern Great Plains area and too much oil without a place to go in Cushing Oklahoma.
Because there are not enough pipeline connections, the gulf coast refineries are importing oil, even though cheaper domestic and canadian oil is out there.
The current state of things is slowing down production and exploration in the Montana, Dakota, Alberta areas...., causing higher oil prices in many parts of the country, and increasing imports.
Stopping the pipeline doesnt really do much environmentally since US consumers just switch to oil from across some ocean. There is no real environmental victory here unless you close your eyes and pretend the products coming out of gulf coast refineries appeared out of thin air by magic.
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Stopping the pipeline doesnt really do much environmentally since US consumers just switch to oil from across some ocean. There is no real environmental victory here unless you close your eyes and pretend the products coming out of gulf coast refineries appeared out of thin air by magic.
Shipping oil across the ocean doesn't possibly ruin drinking water supplies. The issue is the current proposed route runs over some key aquifers.
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What a complete and utter failure. November can't come soon enough.
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Shut up and cry more, twat.
We
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fuck you guys, and your jobs. deal with it and figure another way
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Eventually there will be a pipeline!
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You do NOT need more oil - you need fewer people working harder.
Get to it.
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I've been listening to the screeching about this subject on TV for an hour or so.
God Damn people are idiots. They don't even have a fricken clue what they are mad about. This decision today did NOT say there could never be a pipeline. It didn't say there shouldn't be a pipeline. It didn't put environmental concerns above energy sustainability. It didn't give tree huggers a huge victory. (all things I heard "reporters" claim on the "news").....
All this decision said was:
We will not approve building this pipeline at this time, since the company building it hasn't even decided where the fuck they are going to put it yet after the state of Nebraska declined to give them access to the route they originally wanted to use. They will need to tell us where it is going to be, and allow sufficient time for impact studies before we just say, "Hell, do whatever you want. We trust you. Oil companies never do stupid things".
That's it. The Obama administration wants them to do the damn paperwork and allow state and local governments impacted by the proposed route time to study how it will effect them. They will not simply say, "Go for it, do whatever the hell you like".....which is what the Republicans demanded.
Oh shit! The world is ending!
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While you are dithering, we'll be selling oil to your biggest economic competitor.
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Maybe we should just develop some other forms of energy. You know, the kind where you don't have to ship fuel for it all over the planet or have to depend on some unstable asshat for a constant supply...
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While you are dithering, we'll be selling oil to your biggest economic competitor.
Their not our competitor. We're their best employee.
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Look for alternative energy.. one that doesn't rob me of my oil
Your government will sell it to China if we don't build the pipeline. It will get sold regardless.
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Mass transit now. It's time to DELETE the auto industry.
I wished I lived in a city you did not need a car.
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The exportation of Canadian oil to the US has eff all to do with what Canadian constituents want.
Oil is currently exported to and re-imported from the US because it's smart business. If it was profitable to build the pipeline Canada would do it.
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As far as the op goes:
I am having a hard time believing that so many of you are so easily manipulated.
The Alaska Pipeline required 6 years of preconstruction efforts and almost 2,000 pieces of government licenses\approvals. That was one state. This is a much larger effort.
The 60 day time table was designed to fail. Congress wanted Obama to reject this. They knew what they were asking was impossible. It's why they asked.
But hey, blame the Muslim Satan if it makes you feel better.
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Mass transit now. It's time to DELETE the auto industry.
But thats all your union guys!! 
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They are not my union guys. Our labor force has to be able to adapt to change.
I really dont know wtf I'm talking bout.
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He always gets? folksy and rolls up his sleeves before he mocks us and tells us how stupid we truly are
so what was Obama’s energy program again ? Solyndra massive $800 billion chevy volt 400 pounds of batteries for 12 mile that take 12 hr to charge up now what is his plain again and ows protesters tossing bombs over the white house fence
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Canadians DO NOT want this pipeline, fuck your jobs. not our problem
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Who is the #1 importer of Canada's oil?
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While you are dithering, we'll be selling oil to your biggest economic competitor.
You're not to effing bright. You effing SHARE a border with us. What exactly do you think you're doing by being a whiny little biotch?
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I'm a pussy.
Yes, yes you are.
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Stopping the pipeline doesnt really do much environmentally since US consumers just switch to oil from across some ocean. There is no real environmental victory here unless you close your eyes and pretend the products coming out of gulf coast refineries appeared out of thin air by magic.
Shipping oil across the ocean doesn't possibly ruin drinking water supplies. The issue is the current proposed route runs over some key aquifers.
Pipelines are significantly less likely to leak/spill than other transportation methods. But you hit on my point I think....its an environmental victory only if you ignore the oil that will leak into the oceans and bays with the increased ocean shipping. Thats not really a step forward, you are just tricking yourself.
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This was a win-win for everyone politically.
The GOP gets to bluster and scream. Obama gets to appease the non-thinking environmentalists. It wont actually make a difference to anyone voting next fall.
The pipeline company will resubmit their request with the already announced slightly altered route through Nebraska and it will be approved next year.
Its silly that it has to go through this process.
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GrymmDAOC posted:
While you are dithering, we'll be selling oil to your biggest economic competitor.
You're not to effing bright. You effing SHARE a border with us. What exactly do you think you're doing by being a whiny little biotch?
Making lots of money selling oil to China, while your Messiah slobs the knobs of the Arabs and your green lobby encourages blood oil from places like Nigeria?
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Making lots of money selling oil to China, while your Messiah slobs the knobs of the Arabs and your green lobby encourages blood oil from places like Nigeria?
How far down your throat is that Ethical Oil cock?
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Mass transit now. It's time to DELETE the auto industry.
I wished I lived in a city you did not need a car.
How about you come back to reality. There is no way we will DELETE the auto industry in the USA. Its just to damn big!
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Just because Repubs imposed a 60 day window to make a decision...
Talk about picking up your ball and going home in a huff....
http://nationaljournal.com/congress/obama-rejecting-pipeline-pokes-back-at-gop-20120118?mrefid=subhplead_1
You see this people? This is what it's like when you live in a cocoon of reich-wing misinformation.
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