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unbelievable, enjoy your mideast oil fools
Obama set to reject Keystone oil pipeline
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration was poised on Wednesday to reject the Keystone crude oil pipeline, according to sources, a decision that would be welcomed by environmental groups but inflame the domestic energy industry.
The administration could make its announcement on TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline late on Wednesday or on Thursday, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters.
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I like the call, but I'm a tree hugging mountain climber who just seems to dislike the thought of an oil pipeline bursting and destroying wildlife and land. I'm such a rebel.
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Awesome, we'll just build it later and charge more next time.
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That our president is an idiot is not news to those of us that have been paying attention.
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This blows, Canada would be way easier to invade than Iran
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That really sucks for your oil royalty trust doesn't it?
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They have the opportunity to resubmit the proposal with an alternate pipeline route. There was some concern that the proposed route could endanger supplies of drinking water in Nebraska.
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That really sucks for your oil royalty trust doesn't it?
plus my TransCanada stocks are s***ing the bed
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This could be the decision that hands the election to Mitt.
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I'll call him later this afternoon and see if I can change his mind, but I think he's going to stick to his guns on this one. He is really an idiot like you say.
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Another thing people tell me I should be outraged about but something that I will probably never feel the effects of either way.
But oh no, if this pipeline was built we'd have gas for $1 a gallon, right?
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The environmental analysis is not complete. In some cases, I'd say let this slide, but big oil has a long history with the environment of f****** it in the *** with a ***** while **** ******* in their ***** and **** followed by ******* the ****** **** for oil and ***** and then ***** lobbyists ****** **** up the ****** with **** ****** gerbils.
Due to this history, it is important to finish the environmental analysis.
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That our president is an idiot is not news to those of us that have been paying attention.
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This, and for numerous other reasons than this.
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Another thing people tell me I should be outraged about but something that I will probably never feel the effects of either way.
But oh no, if this pipeline was built we'd have gas for $1 a gallon, right?
Look at it this way. Building and operating a pipeline is not something that can be outsourced.
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Well look at it this way, figuring out how to build this pipeline without threatening natural wildlife is an opportunity to showcase that good old American ingenuity that made this country great in the first place.
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The EIR process with the EPA is so politicized it's ridiculous. Having worked with them on these kinds of things for 10-15 years, it was obvious that they (the EPA) used the endless review/revision cycles to either sit on the report for as long as it took for people to give up on a project or for them to gather whatever objections they could from whatever political allies wanted the project killed. Very little of the chances for a project's approval was based on some close-call on whether there would be adverse environmental impact. That could be figured out easily long before the money for the project was committed.
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I fail to see why the US should build a pipeline to allow Canadian oil to be transported across the country so it can be refined on the gulf coast....and then sold to China.
Don't get me wrong, I don't see anything wrong with the concept of letting companies make money and in the process create a few jobs... but fully understand why someone wouldn't want a pipe full of crude oil cutting thru the heart of the watershed in order to create a few jobs and so some corporations can increase their profitability.
This isn't about increasing domestic oil supplies, don't need the pipe to do that. It's about making money for oil companies. Like I said, no problem with them making money but see no reason why we should bend over and let them do it any way they want.
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I fail to see why the US should build a pipeline to allow Canadian oil to be transported across the country so it can be refined on the gulf coast....and then sold to China.
It was going to be sold to the US.
Failure to build the pipeline = more pipelines from Alberta through BC to the Pacific and then Asia via ships.
It's pretty well forcing us to trade with the East. China seems good with that.
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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
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I fail to see why the US should build a pipeline to allow Canadian oil to be transported across the country so it can be refined on the gulf coast....and then sold to China.
It was going to be sold to the US.
Failure to build the pipeline = more pipelines from Alberta through BC to the Pacific and then Asia via ships.
It's pretty well forcing us to trade with the East. China seems good with that.
Actually it was going to be sold to oil companies in the US, who would ship the oil to China, we wouldnt actually see any benefit from the actual oil aside from a few jobs.
Either way I dont care, they werent going to build it anywhere near me.
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It was going to be sold to the US.
Failure to build the pipeline = more pipelines from Alberta through BC to the Pacific and then Asia via ships.
It's pretty well forcing us to trade with the East. China seems good with that.
Actually it was going to be sold to oil companies in the US, who would ship the oil to China, we wouldnt actually see any benefit from the actual oil aside from a few jobs.
Either way I dont care, they werent going to build it anywhere near me.
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I like the call, but I'm a tree hugging mountain climber who just seems to dislike the thought of an oil pipeline bursting and destroying wildlife and land. I'm such a rebel.
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I like the call, but I'm a tree hugging mountain climber who just seems to dislike the thought of an oil pipeline bursting and contaminating the Ogalalla aquifer, which is a vital resource providing drinking and irrigation water for millions of people and which takes thousands of years to naturally replenish itself. I'm such a rebel.
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I like the call, but I'm a tree hugging mountain climber who just seems to dislike the thought of an oil pipeline bursting and contaminating the Ogalalla aquifer, which is a vital resource providing drinking and irrigation water for millions of people and which takes thousands of years to naturally replenish itself. I'm such a rebel.
This is also a good point.
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This isn't about increasing domestic oil supplies, don't need the pipe to do that.
Yes it is, and yes you do. The pipeline would deliver oil to one of the few places in the U.S. that has the refining capacity to make gasoline out of it.
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This isn't about increasing domestic oil supplies, don't need the pipe to do that.
Yes it is, and yes you do. The pipeline would deliver oil to one of the few places in the U.S. that has the refining capacity to make gasoline out of it.
Rho
And then sell to China.
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We need to make the supply of gasoline more limited, not more ample.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203441704577068670488306242.html
The US is an oil exporter now.
Obama said no to big oil, so now calls go out to... "RELEASE THE KRACKEN!" or at least a few more Republican big oil controlled Presidential Candidate hand puppets.
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Mideast oil, lolwut?
Enjoy what, the 9% we take? 10? Maybe 15?
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Yet another reason to vote this limp dick out and his horse face bitch.
Vote Nobama 2012!
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The US is poised to become THE supplier of natural gas to the entire world, and as noted above...is already exporting more oil products than the amount of oil it imports.
This isn't about capacity or feeding the American peoples voracious demand for mideast oil (there isn't one)...it's about putting a pipe full of crude oil smack in the middle of the source of an even more precious fluid than oil. Water.
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Yet another reason to vote this limp dick out and his horse face bitch.
Vote Nobama 2012!
You've convinced me. I will be voting for Ubama in this upcoming election.
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Yet another reason to vote this limp dick out and his horse face bitch.
Vote Nobama 2012!
You've convinced me. I will be voting for Ubama in this upcoming election.
You already had Obama's in your face, why not vote for him?
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I am so please to be informed of this I just ran 20 redlights in your honor.
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I like the call, but I'm a tree hugging mountain climber who just seems to dislike the thought of an oil pipeline bursting and destroying wildlife and land. I'm such a rebel.
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would create a lot of jobs
could endanger a lot of lives if done improperly
US gives contracts to lowest bidder
they have a hard enough time patrolling the Alaskan Pipeline for defects, how are are going to coordinate this one between two countries?
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Net jobs from Keystone were shown to neutral or negative.
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Net jobs from Keystone were shown to neutral or negative.
makes very little sense.
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unbelievable, enjoy your mideast oil fools
Obama set to reject Keystone oil pipeline
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration was poised on Wednesday to reject the Keystone crude oil pipeline, according to sources, a decision that would be welcomed by environmental groups but inflame the domestic energy industry.
The administration could make its announcement on TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline late on Wednesday or on Thursday, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/obama-set-reject-keystone-oil-pipeline-sources-165859308.html
If the oil billionaires want this so bad then they should compromise and build refineries at the border state involved so the pipeline isn't strung all the way down the US to the gulf inevitably leaking and contaminating stuff. On top of that they must agree that all oil imported thru the line cannot leave the country and that the companies must maintain current levels of domestic only production to not bypass the previous restriction.
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Mideast oil, lolwut?
Enjoy what, the 9% we take? 10? Maybe 15?
try 25%
one fourth!
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FineYoungCannibals posted:
unbelievable, enjoy your mideast oil fools
Obama set to reject Keystone oil pipeline
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration was poised on Wednesday to reject the Keystone crude oil pipeline, according to sources, a decision that would be welcomed by environmental groups but inflame the domestic energy industry.
The administration could make its announcement on TransCanada's Keystone XL pipeline late on Wednesday or on Thursday, a source familiar with the matter told Reuters.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/obama-set-reject-keystone-oil-pipeline-sources-165859308.html
If the oil billionaires want this so bad then they should compromise and build refineries at the border state involved so the pipeline isn't strung all the way down the US to the gulf inevitably leaking and contaminating stuff. On top of that they must agree that all oil imported thru the line cannot leave the country and that the companies must maintain current levels of domestic only production to not bypass the previous restriction.
So, we'll agree as long as we hoard it all? And just keep buying plastic crap from China and don't sell them anything. Not ever.
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So, we'll agree as long as we hoard it all? And just keep buying plastic crap from China and don't sell them anything. Not ever.
if the argument is that its going to somehow relieve of us of middle eastern oil addiction and the potential to contaminate 1700 miles of US land....then yes
but i'm guessing that talk about liberating us from middle east oil is is useless rhetoric
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unbelievable, enjoy your mideast oil fools
LOL at people who thought any of this oil was for us. Did you know that the US exports refined gasoline *now*, is currently producing more crude than at any time in history (including under W), and that all of this oil was going to be shipped to Asia after we refined it?
There were possibly jobs at stake here, the only reason to give it any consideration at all. Truth is, though, the full environmental study was going to take another year. Since the repubs forced a decision *now* in the payroll tax cut extension bill, the only responsible decision available was to reject it.
Take heart, though, that the administration is allowing TransCanada to explore an alternate route, so this might still get done, just not before the election.
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That our president is an idiot is not news to those of us that have not been paying attention.
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Fixed, its to bad the morons cant see what really happened. Obama was given a timeline by congress. The Obama administration could not or did not meet that deadline. So rather than make an ill informed decision about trusting an oil company (man that's just prime) and lacking the time to further investigate the issue he said he would not support it. Guess congress should stop dictating to the white house.
Besides the fact is allowing an oil company (any oil company) to build pipeline across prime ecological areas as well as over a primary water table for the middle of the country is way past stupid. The full effects of B.P. and their lack of maintaining the pipelines in Alaska as well as the budget cuts put in place by repubs to the people in charge of checking those pipelines for irregularities has been for the most part not been brought up. These oil companies do not care. They wont clean up the mess when it happens, and it will, and they will skate on the cleanup just like they did in Valdez and in the golf of mexico.
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They have the opportunity to resubmit the proposal with an alternate pipeline route. There was some concern that the proposed route could endanger supplies of drinking water in Nebraska.
Like anyone cares about people in Nebraska
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The tar sands need to be mined because it is a semisolid... then it needs to be heavily processed in order to even transport it in a pipeline. This costs energy (every gallon of tar sand oil has less energy) and increases emissions (big risk since the world is moving towards a market system in which emissions cost money). I think it costs like 80 dollars a barrel to produce oil from the tar sands.
People do not understand how economics works. Oil/gas price is controlled by WORLD supply and demand... I doubt China really wants some high priced oil when they can buy cheap coal from the U.S. and looks like they have all of Iran's oil now since the sanctions (probably at a cheap discount).
We just do not have the technology to make the tar sands economical when you can turn a spigot in the Middle East and produce a barrel for a dollar.
I think this is actually probably a good thing for the American people... with the pipeline there is probably some behind the scene deals that require us to buy a certain market share at a SET price... this has the possibility of raising energy prices for us because it is so expensive to produce.
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America is obviously dumb.
Well duh! But for some damn reason everyone is still jelly of us and wants in the borders soooooo bad.
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America is obviously dumb.
Well duh! But for some damn reason everyone is still jelly of us and wants in the borders soooooo bad.
I live in Canada, we try to stay away from the border.
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regulator_cracka posted:
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America is obviously dumb.
Well duh! But for some damn reason everyone is still jelly of us and wants in the borders soooooo bad.
I live in Canada, we try to stay away from the border.
Bull. 90% of your population lives within 100 miles of the US border. You can't get enough of us.
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I live in Canada, we try to stay away from the border.
Bull. 90% of your population lives within 100 miles of the US border. You can't get enough of us.
It's only because we're trying to stay warm by being close to your 600million cars.
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That our president is an idiot is not news to those of us that have been paying attention.
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Rhodoman posted:
That our president is an idiot is not news to those of us that have not been paying attention.
Rho
Fixed, its to bad the morons cant see what really happened. Obama was given a timeline by congress. The Obama administration could not or did not meet that deadline. So rather than make an ill informed decision about trusting an oil company (man that's just prime) and lacking the time to further investigate the issue he said he would not support it. Guess congress should stop dictating to the white house.
Besides the fact is allowing an oil company (any oil company) to build pipeline across prime ecological areas as well as over a primary water table for the middle of the country is way past stupid. The full effects of B.P. and their lack of maintaining the pipelines in Alaska as well as the budget cuts put in place by repubs to the people in charge of checking those pipelines for irregularities has been for the most part not been brought up. These oil companies do not care. They wont clean up the mess when it happens, and it will, and they will skate on the cleanup just like they did in Valdez and in the golf of mexico.
NPR story, Jan 12
Story today as to why Obama rejected pipeline
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I find the strangest thing about Obama is that even though he is a totally centrist compromising type....and he supports many of the stupid things that "conservatives" believe in, those same "conservatives" think he is a liberal, socialist dirt bag......for agreeing with them.
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Obama must have misunderstood when his advisors told him that the pipeline was going to be used to transport Black Gold from the north into the south.
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Canadian oil, piped across some of the most ecologically sensitive areas of the US, to a refinery in Texas owned (the refinery, not the state) by Saudi Arabia, and sold to Asia, for a grand total of zero long term jobs.
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That our president is an idiot is not news to those of us that have been paying attention.
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If only we had a Republican president. This wouldn't be an issue.
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Canadian oil, piped across some of the most ecologically sensitive areas of the US, to a refinery in Texas owned (the refinery, not the state) by Saudi Arabia, and sold to Asia, for a grand total of zero long term jobs.
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That our president is an idiot is not news to those of us that have been paying attention.
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If only we had a Republican president. This wouldn't be an issue.
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I find the strangest thing about Obama is that we never hear about any of his friends or past girlfriends. Did get get good grades in school or did he ever get into any kind of trouble as a kid? Everything just seems so sanitized.
Lack of scandal... strange.
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Obama must have misunderstood when his advisors told him that the pipeline was going to be used to transport Black Gold from the north into the south.
2012. It's 2012 now.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203441704577068670488306242.html
The US is an oil exporter now.
Obama said no to big oil, so now calls go out to... "RELEASE THE KRACKEN!" or at least a few more Republican big oil controlled Presidential Candidate hand puppets.
IIRC the US is still an oil importer, but we do export a significant amount of gasoline and gas products.
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I find the strangest thing about Obama is that we never hear about any of his friends or past girlfriends. Did get get good grades in school or did he ever get into any kind of trouble as a kid? Everything just seems so sanitized.
http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2010/07/25/mom-of-murdered-obama-gay-lover-speaks-up/
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Is that a wordpress WEBSITE?? **** JUST GOT REAL.
(but seriously that website is awesome. I think I'll check it out for awhile.)
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It is amazing that the US could build an 800 mile pipeline in Alaska nearly 40 years ago yet people think that we are incapable of building an even safer one today.
We will never get to a point in our lifetimes where we will not need oil, it is used to make too many things. So while we are developing technologies that will reduce our dependence on oil we need to utilize our oil resources here to reduce our dependence on imported oil.
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I've decided that I'm fine with this.
It increases the demand for domestic oil exploration.
Which is usually a lot more harmful for the environment than piping it in.
Which means it increases jobs for me.
Yah. F'k it.
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I've decided that I'm fine with this.
It increases the demand for domestic oil exploration.
Which is usually a lot more harmful for the environment than piping it in.
Which means it increases jobs for me.
Yah. F'k it.
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I find the strangest thing about Obama is that we never hear about any of his friends or past girlfriends. Did get get good grades in school or did he ever get into any kind of trouble as a kid? Everything just seems so sanitized.
mm, he wrote a book about this stuff. Yes he had friends in school, yes he did get into trouble, he smoked pot and didn't he even admit to sniffing coke or something? Or maybe that might have been our previous president.
No Obama wasn't a frat boy like W. was in college but his life isn't exactly "sanitized".
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I find the strangest thing about Obama is that we never hear about any of his friends or past girlfriends. Did get get good grades in school or did he ever get into any kind of trouble as a kid? Everything just seems so sanitized.
mm, he wrote a book about this stuff. Yes he had friends in school, yes he did get into trouble, he smoked pot and didn't he even admit to sniffing coke or something? Or maybe that might have been our previous president.
No Obama wasn't a frat boy like W. was in college but his life isn't exactly "sanitized".
He wrote a book and got it all out there to begin with rather than keeping secrets that would get blown out of proportion and become scandals later.
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Attention American people: your president is an idiot
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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
Rhodoman posted:
That our president is an idiot is not news to those of us that have been paying attention.
Rho
This, and for numerous other reasons than this.
Gee the Bush supporters think we have all forgotten and they can be patronizing again
You and your ideas put us here. Time out is not over. Think about what you did before you talk down to others.
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