Grymlo posted:

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Naa vegans are just idiots.

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Monsanto posted:

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That's right kids, don't eat your meat. Have some bio engineered crops instead! ignore the pesticide,insecticide and chemicals we added to it, and eat up ! Mosanto loves you and the earth,so we're going to spread our terminator seeds and our GMO crops all over the world for everyone! But don't you worry,it's HEALTHY! "

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tenkly posted:

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Monsanto posted:

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That's right kids, don't eat your meat. Have some bio engineered crops instead! ignore the pesticide,insecticide and chemicals we added to it, and eat up ! Mosanto loves you and the earth,so we're going to spread our terminator seeds and our GMO crops all over the world for everyone! But don't you worry,it's HEALTHY! "

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Grymlo posted:

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If we werent meant to eat meat we wouldnt have those big ole teefeses of ours.

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Scarne posted:

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Obviously, fruits and vegetables don't contain anything that is or breaks down into drugs.

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Tych2 posted:

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Evangelical vegan! You just can't help yourself can you?

Preach on!

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tenkly posted:

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hey cori, are your kids vegans too?

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Grymlo posted:

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Naa vegans are just idiots.

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Yossarian_42 posted:

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I always knew Coriolus was wrong about most things and had oddly incorrect tastes, it has all come together now.

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Sea_of_inK posted:

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Poultry, fish, and low fat dairy aren't going to lead you to 'getting your chest ripped open' any sooner or later than without them. Fat and sugar are addictive whatever the source may be. Create a high fat or high sugar vegetarian dish and you're going to have the same results.

I respect veganism as a lifestyle or dietary choice but many vegans have a difficult time doing the same for others. I can't think of a bigger food cult off the top of my head. Healthful eating is not achieved in only one way.

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reesescups posted:

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There is nothing ethical about genetically modifying Gods plants and trees and then ripping them from Mother Earth or ripping the innocent blossoms and fruits from the foliage that sustains our atmosphere. Burning and cooking them in the ferments of a hellish broth and consuming them...

You are an animal no different than the rest of us, taking what you want with no thought of the consequences. I guess the only real difference is you draw some artificial line to limit your available food resources.

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Coriolus posted:

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Sea_of_inK posted:

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Poultry, fish, and low fat dairy aren't going to lead you to 'getting your chest ripped open' any sooner or later than without them. Fat and sugar are addictive whatever the source may be. Create a high fat or high sugar vegetarian dish and you're going to have the same results.

I respect veganism as a lifestyle or dietary choice but many vegans have a difficult time doing the same for others. I can't think of a bigger food cult off the top of my head. Healthful eating is not achieved in only one way.

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Perhaps you are correct and in fact I agree but ethical eating is accomplished in pretty much only one way.

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Coriolus posted:

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reesescups posted:

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There is nothing ethical about genetically modifying Gods plants and trees and then ripping them from Mother Earth or ripping the innocent blossoms and fruits from the foliage that sustains our atmosphere. Burning and cooking them in the ferments of a hellish broth and consuming them...

You are an animal no different than the rest of us, taking what you want with no thought of the consequences. I guess the only real difference is you draw some artificial line to limit your available food resources.

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I agree, and GMOs should be banned, I'm not talking about GMOs, they should be avoided if at all possible and lobbied against..

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tenkly posted:

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You can't argue that locally grain fed poultry raised with care is unethical.

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Coriolous posted:

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tenkly posted:

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Now about your "organic" veggies, do you personally know who's growing them?

If not, then prove to me that they're organic, and not gmo

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Coriolus posted:

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We need to be more conscious in our daily lives.

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reesescups posted:

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Coriolus posted:

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We need to be more conscious in our daily lives.

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Maybe it's you that needs to be more conscious, PLANT KILLER!!!

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reesescups posted:

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Seriously - your stance against our species predisposition to eat anything and everything based on some form of ethics is laughable.

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Coriolus posted:

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reesescups posted:

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Seriously - your stance against our species predisposition to eat anything and everything based on some form of ethics is laughable.

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It isn't a predisposition but rather an ethical preference.

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tenkly posted:

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Why do you give other animals a higher station than plants and trees? Are plants and trees not among the living? Do they not deserve your thoughts and concerns?

Who are you to give acceptance to the rape of the land to farmers but not to ranchers?


answer the question

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Coriolus posted:

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tenkly posted:

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Why do you give other animals a higher station than plants and trees? Are plants and trees not among the living? Do they not deserve your thoughts and concerns?

Who are you to give acceptance to the rape of the land to farmers but not to ranchers?


answer the question

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If you need an answer to that question you are a deeply flawed human being.

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Coriolus posted:

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I choose to think before I consume instead of consuming simply because I think I have a self righteous god given right to do as I please without the slightest thought about consequences.

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reesescups posted:

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Coriolus posted:

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reesescups posted:

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Seriously - your stance against our species predisposition to eat anything and everything based on some form of ethics is laughable.

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It isn't a predisposition but rather an ethical preference.

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As a species - yes it is a predisposition. We evolved to eat anything and everything with basically very few poisons exceptions and some of them if they are prepared correctly are still edible.

It is your position (a hypocritical position at that) that is supposedly based on ethics.

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tenkly posted:

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Why? Because I follow the ethical treatment of animals that are grown and fed properly for one purpose ( to feed me) ?

I buy local grown poultry, and have been doing so since 2009.

I know my farmer personally.

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reesescups posted:

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yet - you don't give a moments pause to the produce industry (obviously) and you more than obviously don't give two craps about the living organism you choose to eat.

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tenkly posted:

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Why? Because I follow the ethical treatment of animals that are grown and fed properly for one purpose ( to feed me) ?

I buy local grown poultry, and have been doing so since 2009.

I know my farmer personally.


You trust a third party that trusts another third party that gets their crops from another party.

and then they have another party "certifying" it as organic.

Yeah.. seems legit.

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Coriolus posted:

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When we evolved to do so it was a different time, food was safe, well except from it perhaps eating you.

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Coriolus posted:

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Today we treat animals as object and subject them to unnecessary amounts of cruelty. It doesn't have to be this way. I am sorry you look at it the way you do using arguments that are clearly out of context but these argument are not your but that of the general public sadly, an uninformed public whose ways are going to be society's undoing.

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Ptilk posted:

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I've never eaten much red meat or pork, never touch milk....and I've had my chest ripped open twice. Maybe there are other, even more important, factors in developing heart disease than diet?

Maybe?

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Ptilk posted:

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Being a lazy fat ass, smoking, and drinking all caught up with me.

The fact that I now weigh a reasonable 184 lbs, get consistent exercise, quit smoking years ago, and.....well forget the drinking part but anyway.....the fact that I live a healthier lifestyle now doesn't change the fact that I abused my body thru my 20's, 30's, and 40's.

Too late to fix it and I've got some neat scars and a bunch of plastic in my chest. I guess if I ate tons of red meat and guzzled cow juice I might not have lived to talk about it though. Everything in moderation is boring....but being dead is more boring.

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Ptilk posted:

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They certainly enjoy the life they have more than people who sit around drunk on their fat asses, smoking and being too tired to walk 3 feet to the fridge for another bowl of left over ribs however.

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Ptilk posted:

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Oh no, I fully understand that. I'm a hedonist by nature.

But once you wake up in CICU with so much pain, even thru the morphine, that you want to scream and then spend months hurting every time you move or cough or breathe.....you somehow lose your appreciation for some foods.

If there is even a chance of avoiding going thru that again by not eating them, I don't want them.

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Grymlo posted:

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Naa vegans are just idiots.

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ineenia posted:

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Grymlo posted:

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Naa vegans are just idiots.

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More than likely they are suffering from tofu brain shrinkage

http://www.helium.com/items/1370904-effect-of-soy-products-on-brain-function

Soy shrinks the brain. It's a shocking thought for those who have been consuming soy as a health food or as a staple in their diets, but research has shown that Japanese American men who consumed tofu at least twice weekly had more cognitive impairment and smaller brains than those who rarely or never ate tofu.

The study, conducted by the Hawaii Center for Health Research, involved 3, 734 elderly men over three decades and correlated 27 foods and drinks with the men's health. The men who ate tofu in midlife had 2.4 times the risk of later developing Alzheimer's disease.

Brain shrinkage occurs naturally with age, but these men had a more exaggerated pattern, estimated to have aged five years faster than their counterparts.

Soybean foods contain phytoestrogens, estrogen like compounds that are thought to compete with the body's estrogen for estrogen receptors in cells. Estrogens may be needed for repair of neural structures.

Another theory is that the damage is due to the lack of calcium binding proteins. Calcium binding proteins are associated with protection against neurodegenerative diseases. A soy diet raises phytoestrogens and lowers calcium binding proteins in the brain.

A new study by Oxford University scientists showed that people with the lowest amount of vitamin B12 were found to have the most atrophied brains. They used memory tests, brain scans and physical checks on 107 people aged 61 to 87. In retesting them five years later they discovered that those with the lowest levels of B12 were the most likely to have brain shrinkage. Even those at the lowest levels were not B12 deficient for current standards. Those at the highest levels were six times less likely to show brain shrinkage than those at the lowest levels.

The possible connection with soy? Soy not only does not provide adequate amounts of B12 in the diet for those who don't eat meat or animal products, such as milk and eggs, it is thought to actually increase the need for B12. Phytic acid, or phytates, is an organic acid present in the hull of grains and beans. Phytates bind to B12 and other nutrients in the intestinal tract and keep us from absorbing them. As a legume, soybean has the highest level of phytic acid that we've found. With other beans and grains, the level of phytates can be neutralized by cooking or soaking. That is not the case with soy. Phytates are neutralized by fermentation, which is how soy products are traditionally eaten in Asia, except for tofu. In the western world, the process that makes soy into 'milk', oil, and protein filler for unknown quantities of pre-prepared foods does not remove phytates.

Soy also suppresses thyroid function. Low thyroid function causes mild cognitive impairments.

While further studies are needed and more needs to be known about the exact cause and effect, it appears that this 'healthy' food has a very bad effect on brain function.

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Ptilk posted:

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Oh no, I fully understand that. I'm a hedonist by nature.

But once you wake up in CICU with so much pain, even thru the morphine, that you want to scream and then spend months hurting every time you move or cough or breathe.....you somehow lose your appreciation for some foods.

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