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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Some of the most prominent purveyors of porn say they'll start packing up their sex toys and abandoning the nation's porn capital if authorities carry through with a nascent effort to police adult film sets and order that every actor be outfitted with a condom.
That effort took a serious leap forward Tuesday when the Los Angeles city council voted 9-1 to grant final approval to an ordinance that would deny film permits to producers who do not comply with the condom requirement. The measure now goes to Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa for approval.
Before the measure can take effect, however, the council has called for the creation of a committee of police officials, the city attorney, state health officials and others to determine how it might be enforced.
"It's going to be interesting to see how in fact they do try to enforce it and who's going to fund it, and all of the time and effort they're going to spend," said Steven Hirsch, co-founder and co-chairman of Los Angeles-based Vivid, one of the largest makers of erotic movies.
"Ultimately I think what they will find is people will just stop shooting in the city of Los Angeles," added Hirsch. "That's a given."
His company, founded in 1984, would be among those that would consider leaving, he said.
Other industry officials condemned the measure as an unneeded exercise in political correctness that cannot be enforced in the city known in the industry as the porn capital of the country. Approximately 90 percent of U.S. porn films are made in Los Angeles, almost all of them in the city's San Fernando Valley, said Mark Kernes, senior editor of Adult Video News.
When films, Internet downloads, sex toys and admission to dance clubs are counted, Kernes said, it's an industry that produces about $8 billion a year in revenue. It has been battered in recent years, however, by the recession and the increased popularity of free Internet porn, and Kernes and others say requiring condoms would further erode business.
They say consumers, particularly those overseas, have made it clear they won't watch films when the actors use condoms, complaining that it is distracting and ruins the fantasy.
"The only thing that the city could potentially achieve is losing some film permit money and driving some productions away, but you can't actually compel an industry to create a product that the market doesn't want," said Christian Mann, general manager of Evil Angel, another of the industry's largest production companies.
Ged Kenslea, spokesman for the AIDS Healthcare Foundation, said the measure is needed because the industry has failed to properly police itself. For years, he said, filmmakers have ignored state health laws mandating the use of condoms when workers are exposed to blood-borne pathogens.
"Let's make one thing clear: Condom use on adult film sets is, and has been, the law in California under blood-borne pathogens regulations," he said. "It is just a law that has not been uniformly enforced or followed. This film permit ordinance that the city council approved today provides another enforcement mechanism to make sure that adult film producers are complying with existing California law."
The council's final vote to approve the law was taken without public discussion, on a day when most of the porn industry's major players were in Las Vegas preparing for Wednesday's opening of the Adult Entertainment Expo, their industry's largest trade event. They said they weren't surprised by the news.
The industry already does its own policing, filmmakers say, requiring actors be tested for sexually transmitted diseases a minimum of every 30 days when they are working. They say no cases of HIV have been directly linked to porn films since 2004, adding they fear if the industry scatters to areas outside of Los Angeles, testing could fall by the wayside, exposing performers to more risk.
"If someone is going to catch an STD, it's usually out of the business because we are tested so often," said veteran porn actress and producer Tabitha Stevens.
In her 17 years in the business, Stevens said, she has worked both with and without condoms. Although she prefers to use condoms, acknowledging they do increase safety, she said the choice should be left up to the performers and not mandated by a government agency.
"If you want to wear them, wear them. If you don't, don't. That's up to the talent to decide. It shouldn't be up to the government to decide," she said.
http://news.yahoo.com/porn-industry-mulls-leaving-la-condoms-required-095300909.html
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Those other laws that we don't enforce haven't worked, let's waste time making more!
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They should look into porn-friendly Alabama.
Alabama Barber Arrested for Selling Porn
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I thought Combat always required his partner to put on a condom before they started the camera.
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Condoms in porn? who the hell are these fun police?
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I thought Combat always required his partner to put on a condom before they started the camera.
No. They make your wifes mouth break out in a rash. 
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"It's going to be interesting to see how in fact they do try to enforce it and who's going to fund it, and all of the time and effort they're going to spend," said Steven Hirsch, co-founder and co-chairman of Los Angeles-based Vivid, one of the largest makers of erotic movies.
Policing that would be fun at first, but I can't imagine how dull porn would look when it's your 40+ hour a week job to watch it. That and all the sick stuff you'd be exposed to that wasn't what you're into.
e.g. Frank just got moved to the gay porn group. Nothing but dude on dude surveillance 9 to 5.
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combat_mage_sc posted:
Arc_DT posted:
I thought Combat always required his partner to put on a condom before they started the camera.
No. They make your wifes mouth break out in a rash.
Good thing your mom doesn't have that problem.
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just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
*shrug*
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just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
*shrug*
I'm sure Ron Paul and the free market would prefer that they die of AIDS.
Which is not an empty statement... this is in direct response to an AIDS epidemic amongst adult film workers, and is only part of the effort to combat it. (No pun intended.) Other efforts include routine, mandatory AIDS testing.
I suppose that means that jobs are going to be "driven away" in any case... actors will eventually die out or refuse to participate.
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just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
*shrug*
And the retards of the Golden Mistake voted for Jerry Brown after he said this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIlzYD4tk78&feature=related
LOL! Farkin' morons. 
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Brother_Tempus posted:
just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
*shrug*
appeal to emotion fallacy
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Brother_Tempus posted:
just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
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appeal to emotion fallacy
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Trust me, there's no emotion you have that I'd want to appeal to. Maybe you'd better dig deeper into your ass for a better retort.
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just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
*shrug*
yeah but I doubt they'll outsource to india.
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Tipztoe posted:
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just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
*shrug*
yeah but I doubt they'll outsource to india.
They will when no one watches their condomporn.
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[quote=Brother_Tempus]just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
*shrug*
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Trust me,[/quote]
I don't. You ignorance about liberty, the concept of inalienable rights, you inability to use logic, and your love for authoritarianism make me distrust the BS you push here
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huh we still have pron in LA? i thought it was all moved to Brazil O_o
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Logic failures, ad hominems, and trolling.
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Arc_DT posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
*shrug*
I'm sure Ron Paul and the free market would prefer that they die of AIDS.
Which is not an empty statement... this is in direct response to an AIDS epidemic amongst adult film workers, and is only part of the effort to combat it. (No pun intended.) Other efforts include routine, mandatory AIDS testing.
I suppose that means that jobs are going to be "driven away" in any case... actors will eventually die out or refuse to participate.
um, did you actually read the article, it states that there hasn't been a case of AIDS linked to porn since 2004, and they self police.
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[quote=Arc_DT][quote=Brother_Tempus]just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
*shrug*
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Trust me,[/quote]
I don't. You ignorance about liberty, the concept of inalienable rights, you inability to use logic, and your love for authoritarianism make me distrust the BS you push here[/quote]
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um, did you actually read the article, it states that there hasn't been a case of AIDS linked to porn since 2004, and they self police.
Did you? Ged Kenslea explicitly disagrees with you, the state law for this was already in place, and LOL at the fine parsing of the statement of the industry on "no directly-linked cases of AIDS."
My point with BT is that regulations have reasons, and in this case it was a pretty good one. He can't even jerk off over his constitution on this one, because it was a case of local enforcement of a state law. There was a compelling reason for the law to exist and a mandate on the local municipality to enforce it.
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um, did you actually read the article, it states that there hasn't been a case of AIDS linked to porn since 2004, and they self police.
Did you? Ged Kenslea explicitly disagrees with you, the state law for this was already in place, and LOL at the fine parsing of the statement of the industry on "no directly-linked cases of AIDS."
My point with BT is that regulations have reasons, and in this case it was a pretty good one. He can't even jerk off over his constitution on this one, because it was a case of local enforcement of a state law. There was a compelling reason for the law to exist and a mandate on the local municipality to enforce it.
Your problem here is that you're arguing with B_T.
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Arc_DT posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
um, did you actually read the article, it states that there hasn't been a case of AIDS linked to porn since 2004, and they self police.
Did you? Ged Kenslea explicitly disagrees with you, the state law for this was already in place, and LOL at the fine parsing of the statement of the industry on "no directly-linked cases of AIDS."
My point with BT is that regulations have reasons, and in this case it was a pretty good one. He can't even jerk off over his constitution on this one, because it was a case of local enforcement of a state law. There was a compelling reason for the law to exist and a mandate on the local municipality to enforce it.
Your problem here is that you're arguing with B_T.
B_T is Jezza_Belle's alt?!
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[quote=Jezza_Belle]um, did you actually read the article, it states that there hasn't been a case of AIDS linked to porn since 2004, and they self police.
Did you? Ged Kenslea explicitly disagrees with you, the state law for this was already in place, and LOL at the fine parsing of the statement of the industry on "no directly-linked cases of AIDS."
My point with BT is that regulations have reasons, and in this case it was a pretty good one. He can't even jerk off over his constitution on this one, because it was a case of local enforcement of a state law. There was a compelling reason for the law to exist and a mandate on the local municipality to enforce it.
Your problem here is that you're arguing with B_T.
B_T is Jezza_Belle's alt?![/quote]
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so what you're saying is... the porn industry might "pull out" of LA if condoms are required?
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Libtards keep regulating themselves out of revenue, there wont be any money left to feed their illegal demoncrats and welfare recipients.
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so what you're saying is... the porn industry might "pull out" of LA if condoms are required?
Looks like I'll be forced to +1 your awesomeness. 
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Libtards keep regulating themselves out of revenue, there wont be any money left to feed their illegal demoncrats and welfare recipients.
Are you Gene Shalit IRL?
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so what you're saying is... the porn industry might "pull out" of LA if condoms are required?
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so what you're saying is... the porn industry might "pull out" of LA if condoms are required?
Fozzie win.
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Hawkson posted:
Fozzie_Bear posted:
so what you're saying is... the porn industry might "pull out" of LA if condoms are required?
Fozzie win.
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Fozzie_Bear posted:
so what you're saying is... the porn industry might "pull out" of LA if condoms are required?
Indeed. Noober would have had it in the title.
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Are there contracts between actors if someone gets pregnant? I mean if they aren't using condoms what if the girl forgets a BCP? Gross.
In before "it only ever gets on her face"
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Weird...?
What on earth inspired this madness...
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the porn industry should move to mexico, you don't need condoms or even have to wash
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Arc_DT posted:
My point with BT is that regulations have reasons
No ... they don;t. Regulations are there either to immorally enforce behavior or illegally steal money ... that's it.
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Arc_DT posted:
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just another example of government regulation driving jobs away
*shrug*
I'm sure Ron Paul and the free market would prefer that they die of AIDS.
Oh I forgot the entire porn industry died of AIDS years ago due to lack of regulation. Good point Arc. What a useless bill.
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FineYoungCannibals posted:
the porn industry should move to mexico, you don't need condoms or even have to wash
plus cheap labor.
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Arc_DT posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
um, did you actually read the article, it states that there hasn't been a case of AIDS linked to porn since 2004, and they self police.
Did you? Ged Kenslea explicitly disagrees with you, the state law for this was already in place, and LOL at the fine parsing of the statement of the industry on "no directly-linked cases of AIDS."
My point with BT is that regulations have reasons, and in this case it was a pretty good one. He can't even jerk off over his constitution on this one, because it was a case of local enforcement of a state law. There was a compelling reason for the law to exist and a mandate on the local municipality to enforce it.
As long as he wears a condom...
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Brother_Tempus posted:
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My point with BT is that regulations have reasons
No ... they don;t. Regulations are there either to immorally enforce behavior or illegally steal money ... that's it.
Oh look, even on the same day he's trolling Cutt with the definition of "theft" here he is getting it wrong.
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Brother_Tempus posted:
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My point with BT is that regulations have reasons
No ... they don;t. Regulations are there either to immorally enforce behavior or illegally steal money ... that's it.
I refuse to believe that even you are this stupid 
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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
Brother_Tempus posted:
Arc_DT posted:
My point with BT is that regulations have reasons
No ... they don;t. Regulations are there either to immorally enforce behavior or illegally steal money ... that's it.
I refuse to believe that even you are this stupid
And I refuse to believe you've taken a critical look at how current regulatory bodies in our government act and the interests they serve. Look at financial industry regulators for a great example of existing regulation. Look at SOPA for a great example of proposed regulation.
BT has a very valid argument, whether any of you like it or not. Debate it or go home crying. IMHO.
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