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Does he also believe the world is six thousand years old just like Sarah Palin?
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"Well, first i thought it was a very inappropriate question, you know, for the presidency to be decided on a scientific matter," he said. "I think it's a theory...the theory of evolution and I don't accept it as a theory. But I think the creator that i know, you know created us, every one of us and created the universe and the precise time and manner and all. I just don't think we're at the point where anybody has absolute proof on either side."
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I had hopes that he would at least be a different kind of stupid, but he really is same old.
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A doctor who doesnt believe int the Theory of Evolution?
What kind of doctor is he?
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I don't see why both sides can't accept each other.
I mean.. I believe that life on this planet evolved from simple things. However, what kicked off the universe? Sure there is the big bang theory, but how did that happen? Believing that some magic thing happened and that this supernova of epic proportions caused a spiral of events to form an unknown number of galaxies.. How did this matter just exist to create the big bang? We just don't know enough as a species to really conclude anything either way honestly.
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A doctor who doesnt believe int the Theory of Evolution?
What kind of doctor is he?
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I don't see why both sides can't accept each other.
I mean.. I believe that life on this planet evolved from simple things. However, what kicked off the universe? Sure there is the big bang theory, but how did that happen? Believing that some magic thing happened and that this supernova of epic proportions caused a spiral of events to form an unknown number of galaxies.. How did this matter just exist to create the big bang? We just don't know enough as a species to really conclude anything either way honestly.
That's all well and fine to want to discuss the beginnings of the universe, but we have adequate proof for evolution. Ron Paul doesn't understand what a scientific theory is, and isn't.
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I don't see why both sides can't accept each other.
I mean.. I believe that life on this planet evolved from simple things. However, what kicked off the universe? Sure there is the big bang theory, but how did that happen? Believing that some magic thing happened and that this supernova of epic proportions caused a spiral of events to form an unknown number of galaxies.. How did this matter just exist to create the big bang? We just don't know enough as a species to really conclude anything either way honestly.
No offense, but your post is a good example of why it's so difficult to bridge the gap.
Evolution is a fact - it can be tested and proven. We know that evolution happens in nature.
That human beings evolved from another species is a theory that continues to move towards fact - every year that passes we uncover more evidence that fills the gap in our evolutionary timeline.
These two things are completely separate from the start of existence as we know it.
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Given the audience (Texas), I think he gave a very good political answer. Don't alienate potential voters on an issue that no one can ultimately know - the event of creation.
As an actual doctor I do not believe he dismisses evolution as a whole, he appeared to be speaking more in terms of evolution in the context of creation, and that - no one knows for certain.
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Given the audience (Texas), I think he gave a very good political answer. Don't alienate potential voters on an issue that no one can ultimately know - the event of creation.
So he doesn't believe that and only told them what they wanted to hear?
I think you are trying to rationalize his answer because it doesn't jive with what you hold true.
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Any numbers out there that show how many christians actually believe the earth is only 6k years old? I have a hard time believing anyone could truely believe that number. Christianity might have started around 6k years ago but from what I have read most biblical scholars know the earth is much older. Personally i dont know anyone who thinks the world is only 6k years old.
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I asked Mastboro once and he ignored the question. I am just chalking it up to not seeing the question, but he did say he believes the literal translation of the bible.
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Did you guys see him on bruno? He is not president material.
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Given the audience (Texas), I think he gave a very good political answer. Don't alienate potential voters on an issue that no one can ultimately know - the event of creation.
So he doesn't believe that and only told them what they wanted to hear?
Put his answer and wording into context.
He didn't say anything incorrect, and worded his response in a non-antagonizing way.
No one knows what created the universe - why would you alienate voters by claiming otherwise? Especially in American and doubly especially in Texas?
Ron Paul is running for the Office of the President not some Chair at a University...
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I asked Mastboro once and he ignored the question. I am just chalking it up to not seeing the question, but he did say he believes the literal translation of the bible.
there is a literal translation in the Bible that shows the earth is only 6k years old? Any idea where this is?
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As I said I think you are trying to rationalize his answer to make you less squeamish, but whatever. Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't see it.
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It's a mainstay of Evangelical Christianity in the United States.
It's also a belief in some Jewish and Islamic circles.
It's definitely not as widely held belief as say, Jesus being the son of god, but it's also not as fringe as believing that lizard people run the world.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Young_Earth_Creationism
Pretty good writeup on where it comes from btw.
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Any numbers out there that show how many christians actually believe the earth is only 6k years old? I have a hard time believing anyone could truely believe that number. Christianity might have started around 6k years ago but from what I have read most biblical scholars know the earth is much older. Personally i dont know anyone who thinks the world is only 6k years old.
Wiki is down today because our politicans are ass holes.
Christianity isn't 6k years old. Abrahamic religions are not 6k years old. This planet is not 6k years old. Yes, there are Young Earth Creationists, many more than most people realize - they are however mostly evangelicals.
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Why is it the job of the presidency to confirm or deny scientific theorys?
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I asked Mastboro once and he ignored the question. I am just chalking it up to not seeing the question, but he did say he believes the literal translation of the bible.
there is a literal translation in the Bible that shows the earth is only 6k years old? Any idea where this is?
No idea. I don't know the bible hat well. I was born catholic, but I don't hold religion close to me. I am saying that I think if you believe in the literal translation then you are probably more open to believe the other craziness that the earth is 6k yrs old.
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Why is it the job of the presidency to confirm or deny scientific theorys?
Tych - this one is for you...
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As far as I know they don't have to confirm or deny any scientific theories.
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As far as I know they don't have to confirm or deny any scientific theories.
Rationalize much?
Ron Paul said the same thing - are you going to berate yourself now?
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What is his stance on teaching evolution (something he doesnt believe in) in school?
Edit: and to say you dont believe n evolution makes you look stupid.
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As far as I know they don't have to confirm or deny any scientific theories.
Rationalize much?
Ron Paul said the same thing - are you going to berate yourself now?
Why would I berate myself? I am not running for president. I didn't say I don't believe in evolution. Yup I am sure you now you are rationalizing.
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These biblical answers seem more rational than 6k;
The Bible doesn't say that the earth is 6000 years old. The Genesis creation account reveals a "RE-CREATION" [a refurbishing] of the earth, because something destroyed it and made it "without form and void."
Before that destruction, when God first made the universe and the earth... the Bible doesn't mention how long the earth had existed.
The chronology of the Genesis creation account doesn't say how old the earth is. It tells us that God remade the destroyed earth to "support man" and gives us an indication of how long man has been on it [approximately 5000 to 6000 years].
First, God creates heaven and earth.
Then, something happens. The text does not tell us what happens.
After this has happened, the earth is without form - chaos, darkness.
Then, the text tells us that the Spirit of God visits this chaos, and how God turns the chaos in something good.
So, in this explanation, the seven days of creation are not the first creation: they are a later creation. I think that God does not create chaos: if He creates something, it is good. So, after the first creation of heaven and earth, something has happened that made that the earth was no longer as God meant it to be. This may - but that is only speculation - have been the downfall of the devil/Satan and the angels that were cast from heaven with him. Or it may have been the meteorite impact that scientist conjecture that has taken place. Or, it may have been both of these. Or something else. In any case: something has happened that turned Gods first good creation into something chaotic, but we are not told in the text what it exactly was. Then, Genesis tells that God made the chaos into the world of which God saw that it was good.
With this interpretation of Genesis 1: 1-2, one cannot tell from the Bible how old the earth is. This is not a problem, as the Bible is no science book, but a book of faith.
Seems more reasonable than 6000 years.
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Yup I am sure you now you are rationalizing.
Says the guys twisting himself into a pretzel in an attempt to appear consistent and unbiased...
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 If you say so chief. I think we all can see whats going on, but knock yourself out. Means nothing to me.
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Fist said his wife believes the earth is only 6k years old.
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Fist said his wife believes the earth is only 6k years old.
Well on the other hand, Fist says a lot of stuff that simply isn't true...
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With this interpretation of Genesis 1: 1-2, one cannot tell from the Bible how old the earth is. This is not a problem, as the Bible is no science book, but a book of faith.
Seems more reasonable than 6000 years.
From Genesis 1: 1-2, sure, it doesn't say how long the Earth sat around before God started the rest of creation. But at that point, all that exists in Earth with nothing alive on it and empty space with no sun, moon, stars, etc. So you can quibble about how long that is, but regardless once you get to Genesis 1: 3-5, when God adds light and day/night, you are at a point where it is 6000 years until present day.
So even if your interpretation lets the universe exist for 13 billion years, you have 12.999994 billion years of nothing but one solitary planet existing in the entire universe, then 1 week of everything else being created, then 6000 years until present day. Still way off reality.
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As far as I know they don't have to confirm or deny any scientific theories.
Rationalize much?
Ron Paul said the same thing - are you going to berate yourself now?
Why would I berate myself? I am not running for president. I didn't say I don't believe in evolution. Yup I am sure you now you are rationalizing.
I tell ya Tych,
I hear statements like this from Dr. Paul and it does make me squeemish because it's not my view on things.
But I believe two things.
1. There's absolutely no way I would be doing my job as an informed citizen and not have dissenting opinions from any candidates statements on a wide range of topics especially religion.
2. His political beliefs and his platform I think are still more viable than any other candidate to date. And honestly given the cliff that this nation is teetering on I could give a damn if he sacrificed a chicken before he went to bed every night so he could peer at the bones...
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Ron Paul is a nut job. It isn't that he doesn't have some decent positions but that his way of thinking is on the same level as a religious extremist. There is really no room for reason within his thought process.
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1. There's absolutely no way I would be doing my job as an informed citizen and not have dissenting opinions from any candidates statements on a wide range of topics especially religion.
Exactly. I was giving him(Reese) an out. You don't have to agree with everything your candidate or party says or even make excuses for it, but he wanted to keep rationalizing it. The conversation with him was over then hence my chief comment.
I agree 100% with you though Loon.
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With this interpretation of Genesis 1: 1-2, one cannot tell from the Bible how old the earth is. This is not a problem, as the Bible is no science book, but a book of faith.
Seems more reasonable than 6000 years.
From Genesis 1: 1-2, sure, it doesn't say how long the Earth sat around before God started the rest of creation. But at that point, all that exists in Earth with nothing alive on it and empty space with no sun, moon, stars, etc. So you can quibble about how long that is, but regardless once you get to Genesis 1: 3-5, when God adds light and day/night, you are at a point where it is 6000 years until present day.
So even if your interpretation lets the universe exist for 13 billion years, you have 12.999994 billion years of nothing but one solitary planet existing in the entire universe, then 1 week of everything else being created, then 6000 years until present day. Still way off reality.
Well i think it said he created the heavens and the earth right? So i would assume the heavens would include other planets and stars But then again this whole discussion is making me see stars!
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When you say 'why should a president be deciding scientific theories?' you are choosing to live in fantasy land and not dealing with reality.
The head of the executive branch has an awful lot of sway in what his agencies do and do not do when it comes to science and technology. If he doesn't believe in something, he doesn't have to fund it as we saw during the Bush years.
The notion that Ron Paul will do away with 200 years of establishment and things will be nirvana just because he is now president is beyond stupid.
R+D will not become the exclusive domain of private business. Both private and public agencies are necessary to keep the country moving in the direction it needs to with regards to science and innovation. If you have a candidate that is openly hostile to science and\or public funding of such that becomes president, you run a serious risk of falling even farther behind our competitors on the international stage.
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embarrassing. the guy is a doctor ffs. but he's also 150 years old and probably got his medical degree before Darwin so it's not a huge shock that his views are totally counter to mainstream medical practitioners.
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I'm glad Ron Paul is so old. This way he has no chance of becoming this countries Hitler if thing get bad enough. The thing is when things get REALLY bad radicals like Ron Paul get elected and then people and freedom dies
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How old is Ron Paul?
He may have some insight that we do not.
Maybe he was there.
I kinda like that guy. Something about him makes you smile when you watch him debate.
Even when you say to yourself wtf? He said what? You are still smiling and sort of nodding.
This is probably his last run. Four years from now I don't think people will be willing to take the bet on him living through his term.
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Ron Paul is 77.
If elected, he would be 8 years older then the oldest president ever elected. Reagan was 69 when he was elected.
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Tych2 posted:
imaloon1 posted:
1. There's absolutely no way I would be doing my job as an informed citizen and not have dissenting opinions from any candidates statements on a wide range of topics especially religion.
Exactly. I was giving him(Reese) an out.
You were giving me an out?
I stated an opinion and you jumped on it...
The only 'out' I needed was from you rabies...
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Okay cap't.
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No its "Chief!"
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I already called him chief a few posts earlier. I needed to mix it up a bit 
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I share a birthday with Ron Paul!
Aug 20th.
I may have to realign myself with a fellow Leo.
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Correction, he would be 78 when he assumed office.
His VP pick is something Paultards should be extremely critical of.
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Since is a a radical he would have to pick a moderate VP
Romney will pick someone who he thinks will appeal to the Tea Party types.
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Tea party types are going to vote for a (R) regardless of who it is.
I don't think he needs to get them more worked up and ready to vote.
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Of course they will. Still Romney will try to pander. He will find himself a Dan Quayle
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at the apaulogists who defend this.
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apaulogists. I like that one.
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