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Well, this kind of stupidity nullifies my earlier point that he shouldn't have been expected to return to Congress and vote against the NDAA. You can't pick and choose your causes without making it clear what your priorities are. What's more, to be absent from Congress for many of the bills that required spending MORE money (like NDAA), then showing up to vote against raising the debt ceiling is kinda like showing up to a pizza party after telling your friends you didn't want to chip in for it.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/jan/17/paul-plans-dc-detour-vote-against-debt-increase/
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Inb4 rabid Ron Paul apologists
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This is unpossible.
Ron Paul isn't a politician, he is the anti politician.
and has been all of his 30 years in office.
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Apaulogists? 
I think I like that better than The "Paulistas" thing I was trying out.
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Why am I supposed to care about this? Cause he only picked one issue to complain about?
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Why am I supposed to care about this? Cause he only picked one issue to complain about?
There was a big hullabulloo here few weeks back that Paul didn't return to DC to vote against the NDAA. Quite a few people defended him (myself included) because candidates on the campaign trail don't normally run back to DC to vote, even for their own pet projects. I find it pretty stupid that he thinks that voting down the debt ceiling is more important than voting down the NDAA. Since when is refusing to pay your bills more important than spending less money?
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I think a vote against the debt ceiling is bigger than a vote against the NDAA. That was going to pass regardless, but the debt ceiling has been hotly contested already and it is the bigger fish.
I don't understand the criticism of his actions. Say what you will about his ideas you can't deny his consistency.
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ZigmundZag posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
Why am I supposed to care about this? Cause he only picked one issue to complain about?
There was a big hullabulloo here few weeks back that Paul didn't return to DC to vote against the NDAA. Quite a few people defended him (myself included) because candidates on the campaign trail don't normally run back to DC to vote, even for their own pet projects. I find it pretty stupid that he thinks that voting down the debt ceiling is more important than voting down the NDAA. Since when is refusing to pay your bills more important than spending less money?
Seems like a rather pointless thing to care about. RP is a crazy loon but this complaint falls flat.
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Yeah, expecting a politician to actually vote on things is clearly too much to expect when there's another election coming up in a year or so, which they have no hope of actually winning...
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Some people are just looking to not like stuff.
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I think I might be getting a promotion in a year or so. I will just stop doing all my work to lobby my boss for my promotion 24/7. If you complain you are just looking for things to dislike.
I don't think it's too much to expect politicians to actually vote on major legislation. I don't expect him to be there every time they decide to vote on whether we should rename January 19th National Toilet Cleanser Day but for important stuff politicians should be doing their electoral duty not off in Iowa.
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I think I might be getting a promotion in a year or so. I will just stop doing all my work to lobby my boss for my promotion 24/7. If you complain you are just looking for things to dislike.
I don't think it's too much to expect politicians to actually vote on major legislation. I don't expect him to be there every time they decide to vote on whether we should rename January 19th National Toilet Cleanser Day but for important stuff politicians should be doing their electoral duty not off in Iowa.
So you now have to resort to an analogy that would give paul a run for his money for how stupid it is.
Keep it up. High quality posting going on in here.
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It's not a huge deal, but it is an insight into his character. It's pretty hard to play yourself off as the principled politician when you choose to grandstand against the government paying its bills instead of grandstanding when the money was apportioned and the President received unprecedented powers in dealing with detainees.
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So you now have to resort to an analogy that would give paul a run for his money for how stupid it is.
Actually I thought when I was typing it it sounded like something Paul might say. 
But it's still stupid we excuse our politicians from doing anything for 1.5+ years before any election. Expecting people to be there for important votes is not too much to expect.
We could also just set up a system for absentee voting for situations like these.
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There are things worth caring about and there are things that just don't matter. People tend to focus on the BS that doesn't matter.
This is one of those cases. When a legislator comes back to vote or not while on the campaign trail is definitely on the "who gives a flying frack" list unless their vote would be meaningful.
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Ron Paul: "We most stop the ebil guv'mint from taking away our fweeedumz!"
( NDAA comes up for a vote )
Ron Paul: Meh
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It's not a huge deal, but it is an insight into his character. It's pretty hard to play yourself off as the principled politician when you choose to grandstand against the government paying its bills instead of grandstanding when the money was apportioned and the President received unprecedented powers in dealing with detainees.
Seriously? That's your huge character insight? That a fiscal conservative would detour to vote on the single biggest fiscal issue of our time but not the NDAA?
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How is paying your bills a bigger issue than controlling your spending? Particularly when that spending control included an extremely controversial rider that gives the president even more authority to detain civilians?
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Because if you cut the funding to all those NDAA programs or you force Congress to adhere to a limit then maybe we don't go straight into insolvency.
You know as well as I do that nobody was going to vote against the NDAA, they never do. It could have said that Obama was now Master of the Universe and nobody would have down voted it.
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Because if you cut the funding to all those NDAA programs or you force Congress to adhere to a limit then maybe we don't go straight into insolvency.
You know as well as I do that nobody was going to vote against the NDAA, they never do. It could have said that Obama was now Master of the Universe and nobody would have down voted it.
Now you're arguing that it's okay that Ron Paul didn't vote against the NDAA because everybody else wasn't going to, either. Not only is that incorrect (apparently a couple of Oregon's representatives have bigger balls than Paul), but it's ridiculous. You can't pick and choose when it's okay for Paul to act like a normal politician and when he should be the Freedom Superhero that some people seem to think he is.
By the way, there is no quicker path to insolvency than telling the creditors of the US that we don't really want to pay our debts any more.
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Here he explains his opposition to NDAA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8bbuMQLlqs
It was a very critical time so he had to campaign. He is trying to get the presidency against all the power brokers in the US in case you haven't heard.
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Here he explains his opposition to NDAA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8bbuMQLlqs
It was a very critical time so he had to campaign. He is trying to get the presidency against all the power brokers in the US in case you haven't heard.
As far as I know he's still trying to get there, yet he's suspending his campaign to vote against the debt ceiling hike. Obviously voting against paying our bills is more important than fighting those power brokers.
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There wasn't a doubt it would be voted for by the majority. He had to get caucus votes. He voted against the patriot act. He has a 30 year voting record of voting against anything like NDAA so cut him some slack.
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There wasn't a doubt it would be voted for by the majority. He had to get caucus votes. He voted against the patriot act. He has a 30 year voting record of voting against anything like NDAA so cut him some slack.
That was pretty much my position when it happened. Then he decided to fly back to vote against increasing the debt ceiling. Now I realize that I was cutting him slack that he didn't deserve.
It's alright, I don't expect that this post is going to un-convert the choir or anything, I was just posting an article I happened to see on Drudge as a follow up to another thread on the topic that you probably missed a couple of weeks ago.
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Another stupid and disingenuous thread. The NDAA was a landslide in votes, and BTW the NDAA has been enacted for the last 49 years.
If you genuinely hate this version of the NDAA, lets see you take it to the people who authored it (Carl Levin -D Michigan) and those that signed off on it. Hating a guy whose record is consistent over decades for yet another bill way beyond his control is the height of pure partisan bullsnot.
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Well the msm was going to put out articles on him flying 1st class on his flights. He would have had to use his congressional budget to pay for his flight back to DC. None of the articles mentioned that he is the only congressman that returns a portion of his congressional budget to the treasury each year. He is being attacked by the highest level from all sides.
Here is a floor speech by him before the vote.
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Why would I take it up with Carl Levin? He's not running for POTUS. If he were, he certainly wouldn't get my vote either.
It's pretty interesting to see how easily the Apaulogists can compartmentalize this information and miss the point in the process, though.
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Well the msm was going to put out articles on him flying 1st class on his flights. He would have had to use his congressional budget to pay for his flight back to DC.
Oh well that clearly makes it ok.
Listen to yourself.
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Another stupid and disingenuous thread. The NDAA was a landslide in votes
So what. His one vote is all he is ever going to cast, so when he decides to not use his only tool because it isn't magically going to change everything, then it's obvious that he's just another useless pos politician.
But why am I even posting, he's none of my business so glhf.
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Why would I take it up with Carl Levin? He's not running for POTUS. If he were, he certainly wouldn't get my vote either. It's pretty interesting to see how easily the Apaulogists can compartmentalize this information and miss the point in the process, though.
Transparent asshattery. Blame the guy who is massively outnumbered and powerless to stop something for something he didn't do.
BTW, why are you arguing against curtailing 15 trillion nation destroying debt dollars?
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Forgot to post the link, oops.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG8rhNEuVJw
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Apaulogists?
I think I like that better than The "Paulistas" thing I was trying out.
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