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But how about this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTdCykavOfY
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Don't waste your vote with this guy, des. None of his policies would pass the senate and his positions are downright dangerous. He would be a lame duck president the minute he is sworn in.
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Well maybe that is what we need. A president that will stand for the people in the face of a corrupt congress and senate. He has stood for us for 30 years by himself, shouldn't we at least stand with him now?
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I'd vote for Paul if there were a conservative party in this nation for him to run under.
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Bruno was on hbo the other day and guess who was on it? Ron paul, lol.
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No. I will not entertain crazy. His ideology is food for thought in the abstract but as literal policy it is nonsensical.
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Well there is the constitution party and the libertarian party. Both RJ Harris and Gary Johnson are running on those tickets. But we have let our democracy crumble so that 3rd parties are discriminated against in the presidential elections. If RP doesn't get the R nod then a 3rd party might just emerge because all the other R candidates are just as bad as Obama.
and CORKY(lol) why say "Breath some reason" when you have an illithid as an icon. That just doesn't make sense.
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Well maybe that is what we need. A president that will stand for the people in the face of a corrupt congress and senate. He has stood for us for 30 years by himself, shouldn't we at least stand with him now?
Don't you guys understand NONE of the stuff he is espousing would happen. None.
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As commander and chief of the military he can bring the troops home. Hence the link on the original post.
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i see a couple of dumb excuses for people not voting for him in this thread.....not one stands the test of logic
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Well maybe that is what we need. A president that will stand for the people in the face of a corrupt congress and senate. He has stood for us for 30 years by himself, shouldn't we at least stand with him now?
Don't you guys understand NONE of the stuff he is espousing would happen. None.
Literally nothing would get done in his 4 year term. And talk about do nothing, God forbid a major war broke out in the middle east. Ron Paul would make Jimmy Carter look like Hitler.
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huh? Ron Paul is a non-interventionist and would not go to war without a declaration. Are you on medication Corky?
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Paul is an isolationist. He wants to dismantle NATO and withdraw from the UN. He would do absolutely nothing and let Israel and the middle east burn if it were up to him.
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Paul is an isolationist. He wants to dismantle NATO and withdraw from the UN. He would do absolutely nothing and let Israel and the middle east burn if it were up to him.
So? What does the UN do for the US? Oh, that's right...they use us as their muscle. Israel and the Middle East? Uh, well, I don't see us being responsible to be the playground police for the whole world.
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really Corky... really? You don't know the difference between Isolationism and Non-Interventionism? Are you really that dense.. so are you like 16 years old? Is wanting to lift trade sanctions against Cuba isolationism?
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Paul is an isolationist. He wants to dismantle NATO and withdraw from the UN. He would do absolutely nothing and let Israel and the middle east burn if it were up to him.
So? What does the UN do for the US? Oh, that's right...they use us as their muscle. Israel and the Middle East? Uh, well, I don't see us being responsible to be the playground police for the whole world.
/Again, what's the problem?
Yah. ... I'm not seeing the negative of letting the sand box take care of its own problems. Israel decided to brute force its way back in to the mess, and they've had decades of hand outs from the US that have made them a super power in the region. They need to put on their big boy pants and start fighting their own wars.
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Don't waste your vote with this guy, des. None of his policies would pass the senate and his positions are downright dangerous. He would be a lame duck president the minute he is sworn in.
Breathe in some reason!
Didn't you get the memo? Obama changed all that waiting around crap and trying to get the required votes. If they don't act then he will! The left would certainly support Ron Paul if he did the same... right?
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Rather than explain reality 101 and the world we live in, I will say that if you withdraw US forces and recall our presence from around the globe, another power will fill the vacuume. I am willing to bet the world will be a much more unstable place and we would not be as prosperous as a direct result.
Ron's careless ideas as policy would suffer our country real consequence.
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I've always said ron paul's supporters are his biggest enemy. The fact the frenchy supports him is all the convincing i need not to ever think about voting for him.
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If ron paul wasn't a laissez faire idiot I'd vote for him just to see some real discourse. But he is. Sorry d00d.
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If you want discourse and outrage, Newt is your man
If you want Obama 2.0 with a republican slant, Romney is your man.
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Why do nuts always insist on using youtube a source of information?
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The video was worth watching. Although nothing special. Ron Paul is an idiot though.
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You haven't let me down yet, GC! I'm just glad you replied after me cause I probably wouldn't have checked back after it.
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Well maybe that is what we need. A president that will stand for the people in the face of a corrupt congress and senate. He has stood for us for 30 years by himself, shouldn't we at least stand with him now?
Don't you guys understand NONE of the stuff he is espousing would happen. None.
Maybe he could at least stem the tide for four years.
That's how little I think of the remainder of the branches of govt.
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If ron paul gets elected and accomplishes nothing but bringing troops home, and vetoing all the stupid crap that is going through congress these days (like sopa) in the name of protecting constitutional rights, his election would be well worth 4 years of nothing happening
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If ron paul gets elected and accomplishes nothing but bringing troops home, and vetoing all the stupid crap that is going through congress these days (like sopa) in the name of protecting constitutional rights, his election would be well worth 4 years of nothing happening
You say that, but you'll be the first howling for blood if the economy tanks again.
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Don't waste your vote with this guy, des. None of his policies would pass the senate and his positions are downright dangerous. He would be a lame duck president the minute he is sworn in.
Breathe in some reason!
Wouldn't that be a good thing?
If I knew he would be a lame duck I would vote for him. It would be like throwing a stick into the gears of our government. Maybe it would stop the bleeding.
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Don't waste your vote with this guy, des. None of his policies would pass the senate and his positions are downright dangerous. He would be a lame duck president the minute he is sworn in.
Breathe in some reason!
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I will still vote for him in the caucus and will work to be a state delegate. Once they have the national convention look for me to be one of his delegates.
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
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If ron paul gets elected and accomplishes nothing but bringing troops home, and vetoing all the stupid crap that is going through congress these days (like sopa) in the name of protecting constitutional rights, his election would be well worth 4 years of nothing happening
You say that, but you'll be the first howling for blood if the economy tanks again.
I wouldn't be. We need a good tank.
And a huge portion of the government is Executive Branch stuff. Congress funds it, but he controls it. So he could just fire everyone in those departments and return the money unspent.
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And a huge portion of the government is Executive Branch stuff. Congress funds it, but he controls it. So he could just fire everyone in those departments and return the money unspent.
See, I could imagine this happening, and then imagine congress immediately impeaching Paul, because the last thing congress wants is to be gelded by the president. There are simply too many lobbyist dollars behind too many congressmen to let the president actually have the reins. This makes me wonder what, if any role the population has in the impeachment process as opposed to congress?
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i see a couple of dumb excuses for people not voting for him in this thread.....not one stands the test of logic
Which one specifically?
Would it be the one where NONE of his positions would ever become policy?
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Libertarianism is a "wonderful dream"....if you are a prosperous, white, christian, guy.
It's always attractive to endorse ideas that would result in your own advantage and fuck everyone who wasn't smart enough to be born a middle class white man who attends church. Those other stupid bastards would all be better off too ya know, because fairness and equality are all people like me care about.
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Libertarianism treats people as individuals not as part of a group. You need to go to college osemtnhe.
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Been there, done that. Of course, I went to a school that had "gasp" black professors.....so I probably didn't learn much except how to milk the system for food stamps....according to idiots that are stupid enough to vote for any republican.
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If RP ever made it to become president, they'd have a parade for him in Dallas.
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Libertarianism is a "wonderful dream"....if you are a prosperous, white, christian, guy.
Bullshite.
PS: The fact you included 'Christian' in the same sentence as 'Libertarian' exposes your troll too early. You could have milked it much better without that... otherwise it just looks slapstick.
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Libertarianism treats people as individuals not as part of a group.
That's why all your posts are about putting people on groups with fancy labels. Austrians, Keynesians, Libertarians...
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PS: The fact you included 'Christian' in the same sentence as 'Libertarian' exposes your troll too early. You could have milked it much better without that... otherwise it just looks slapstick.
 
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It's so god damn funny to see people who actually buy into this bullshit.
If we just let everyone do what they want like Doctor Paul says.....everything would be perfect because people really want everything to be fair and treat everyone the same.
WTF are these idiots smoking? Do they ever leave their houses? Ever read a newspaper? It's fricken amazing that adults would buy into this schlock. It's like trusting in the goodness of the common man. Totally stupid that is. If the common man was good, you wouldn't need laws so lets get rid of laws and make everyone good.
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PS: The fact you included 'Christian' in the same sentence as 'Libertarian' exposes your troll too early. You could have milked it much better without that... otherwise it just looks slapstick.
He didn't say that, it came from a Zionist newsletter!
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
PS: The fact you included 'Christian' in the same sentence as 'Libertarian' exposes your troll too early. You could have milked it much better without that... otherwise it just looks slapstick.
pwnt!
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In a libertarian world the churches run welfare.
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N00bs. Show me just once where I've ever once said I believe in Paul as a main-line "Libertarian."
I won't be checking back, because it hasn't happened.
Many Libertarians would hold their breath and vote for Paul, despite his Christian leanings. But the only reason Paul HAS as much of a following as he does is the quasi-REPUBLICANS swelling his ranks, due to his pro-life pro-christian stances.
There's a reason he has an "R" after his name.
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lol
every libertarian candidate is denounced for not being a true libertarian.
a real libertarian is apparently like bigfoot or the loch ness monster. Nobody can actually identify a real one.
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Anyone heard of an anarcho-capatalist?
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Anyone heard of an anarcho-capatalist?
Sure. That's what our resident spambot B_T pretends to be.
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Hehe. I'll bet Dr. Paul is hated by all the other gyno's.
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N00bs. Show me just once where I've ever once said I believe in Paul as a main-line "Libertarian."
I won't be checking back, because it hasn't happened.
Many Libertarians would hold their breath and vote for Paul, despite his Christian leanings. But the only reason Paul HAS as much of a following as he does is the quasi-REPUBLICANS swelling his ranks, due to his pro-life pro-christian stances.
There's a reason he has an "R" after his name.
Libertarians have had to adopt to criticisms which include social welfare. Every serious libertarian I have ever talked to has charity, which means religion, as a cornerstone of their belief in libertarianism.
Libertarianism without a large amount of assumed charity is the rarity not the other way around.
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Libertarians have had to adopt to criticisms which include social welfare. Every serious libertarian I have ever talked to has charity, which means religion, as a cornerstone of their belief in libertarianism... <snip>
Charity != Religion.
Nice try.
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Libertarianism is pretty simple. It doesn't deal in religion but it believes in the freedom of religion. So muslims, christians, jews, buddhists, new age etc.. all have the same rights. Rastafarians can even smoke ganj in a libertarian society.
And to that person who said I put people into categories such as Austrians (economic philosophy, not nationality), keynesians (not kenyans) and the other one you mentioned. I put those people into groups philosophically not in regards to legislative benefits or penalties.
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If RP ever made it to become president, they'd have a parade for him in Dallas.
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Libertarians have had to adopt to criticisms which include social welfare. Every serious libertarian I have ever talked to has charity, which means religion, as a cornerstone of their belief in libertarianism... <snip>
Charity != Religion.
Nice try.
The point is that religion will play a larger role in pretty much 90% of libertarian's world view. I don't consider anarchists to be serious libertarians.
Religion and libertarianism go hand in hand.
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please stop referring to him as dr paul. ineffective congressman paul is much more descriptive.
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please stop referring to him as dr paul. ineffective congressman paul is much more descriptive.
too bad he never became a senator ....imagine the chaos he could cause with filibuster power
that being said...it's nonsense to say he was ineffective....30 years of consistency has people noticing him and his ideas in a positive way.....name me one other congress member that can say the same thing
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I have watched this video four times now, and I'm actually thinking of voting for Ron Paul.
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ron paul video led me to this video. and i lol'd.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWlqG7ayXog&feature=related
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