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This MLK Day has reminded me, our nation managed to screw over the Africans, the Natives, and the Mexicans in the first 50 years of our history. How'd you guys fare up there in Canada? Screw any large number of people over royally when you were a budding nation?
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They tricked us into thinking it is horrid place up there when in actuality they are the smart ones. As global warming progresses they will be the last to melt and should be a tropical paradise by 2015.
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Our native population has been pretty effed over. Residential school system, broken treaties, unresolved (for 100+ years) land claims. Stuff like that.
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Natives and the French.
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Awesome. So we're in good company.
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yeah I read the natives kinda continue to take it hard up there. something about the poor bastards living in boxes?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Canadian_internment
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jungalist posted:
Our native population has been pretty effed over. Residential school system, broken treaties, unresolved (for 100+ years) land claims. Stuff like that.
Yeah. Our dealings with the native population are pretty despicable.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Canadian_internment
And that.
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combat_mage_sc posted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Canadian_internment
Yep, not our finest hour.
There are also the Acadians who we forced en mass to relocate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Expulsion
The Natives got taken advantage of. I am not sure on the details on how Natives are treated in the States, but here some land was given back to the Natives (Reserves) which is their land, and they receive monetary allotments from the government, they get discounts and grants to go to school, and they never have to pay taxes. So although we took over everything, they got a parting gift.
The French lost the war to the British, so yes, the French 'got screwed' in their eyes, but honestly it could have been a lot worse. The French culture, language, and political influence remained in tact. But Anglo-French relations have always been a source of contention and I'm sure both sides think they're 'worse off'.
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Are your natives all alcoholics like ours?
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Are your natives all alcoholics like ours?
Well to tell you the honest truth as a kid I believed this.
As I got older and learned a little bit about life on the Reserves and the poverty and lack of opportunities, I begin to understand why kids with nothing to do who get paid money monthly could/would turn to substances. The 'Elders' who run the Reserve are basically corrupt in every way shape and form, they are in it for the $$ and don't care about their people. And our government only pays you your monthly cheque if you live on the Reserve...so it's a self-propagating problem that no one wants to address.
Hell, my friend went to teach on a Reserve and she was blown away by how little the kids there know. They do not have proper education, so their kids lag behind, and if they want to finally leave the reserve they can't because they can't compete with the rest of the world. I believe she was asked to leave because she was rocking the boat saying the system wasn't doing the kids justice and they needed to address the disparity.
So yes, a large portion of the Native population has substance problems, but I've known a lot of Natives in my years (grew up and live near Indian reserves) and there are some really cool people who escaped the Reserve and lead productive lives. I don't know anyone who lived on the Reserves and still lives there that hasn't fallen into a rut or that I've basically lost track of.
The system we have in place here doesn't work, but it's political suicide to venture down the 'Reserves aren't working' system so nothing changes.
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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
combat_mage_sc posted:
Are your natives all alcoholics like ours?
Well to tell you the honest truth as a kid I believed this.
As I got older and learned a little bit about life on the Reserves and the poverty and lack of opportunities, I begin to understand why kids with nothing to do who get paid money monthly could/would turn to substances. The 'Elders' who run the Reserve are basically corrupt in every way shape and form, they are in it for the $$ and don't care about their people. And our government only pays you your monthly cheque if you live on the Reserve...so it's a self-propagating problem that no one wants to address.
Hell, my friend went to teach on a Reserve and she was blown away by how little the kids there know. They do not have proper education, so their kids lag behind, and if they want to finally leave the reserve they can't because they can't compete with the rest of the world. I believe she was asked to leave because she was rocking the boat saying the system wasn't doing the kids justice and they needed to address the disparity.
So yes, a large portion of the Native population has substance problems, but I've known a lot of Natives in my years (grew up and live near Indian reserves) and there are some really cool people who escaped the Reserve and lead productive lives. I don't know anyone who lived on the Reserves and still lives there that hasn't fallen into a rut or that I've basically lost track of.
The system we have in place here doesn't work, but it's political suicide to venture down the 'Reserves aren't working' system so nothing changes.
I think that in a nutshell he's saying yes, because their life f'in blows.
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I think that in a nutshell he's saying yes, because their life f'in blows.
Pretty much. not all, but a lot of them, yes.
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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
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I think that in a nutshell he's saying yes, because their life f'in blows.
Pretty much. not all, but a lot of them, yes.
I know one guy who's smart, awesome, really involved in stuff, has a real job, eductation... needless to say he got out before it was too late. He's told me that most of the kids he works with now are on a sad path, he tries to steer them as much as he can away from the dysfunction...
I'm just jealous that my buddy bought a house and car TAX-FREE. 
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I wonder who the Swedes screwed over, you know, besides Minecraft players.
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myxomatosis8 posted:
DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
combat_mage_sc posted:
Are your natives all alcoholics like ours?
Well to tell you the honest truth as a kid I believed this.
As I got older and learned a little bit about life on the Reserves and the poverty and lack of opportunities, I begin to understand why kids with nothing to do who get paid money monthly could/would turn to substances. The 'Elders' who run the Reserve are basically corrupt in every way shape and form, they are in it for the $$ and don't care about their people. And our government only pays you your monthly cheque if you live on the Reserve...so it's a self-propagating problem that no one wants to address.
Hell, my friend went to teach on a Reserve and she was blown away by how little the kids there know. They do not have proper education, so their kids lag behind, and if they want to finally leave the reserve they can't because they can't compete with the rest of the world. I believe she was asked to leave because she was rocking the boat saying the system wasn't doing the kids justice and they needed to address the disparity.
So yes, a large portion of the Native population has substance problems, but I've known a lot of Natives in my years (grew up and live near Indian reserves) and there are some really cool people who escaped the Reserve and lead productive lives. I don't know anyone who lived on the Reserves and still lives there that hasn't fallen into a rut or that I've basically lost track of.
The system we have in place here doesn't work, but it's political suicide to venture down the 'Reserves aren't working' system so nothing changes.
I think that in a nutshell he's saying yes, because their life f'in blows.
The depression and substance abuse has a lot more to do with the effects of the Residential School system than just a crappy life. The Canadian Government mandated the solution to "The Indian Problem" as forced assimilation and removal (in effect a genocide) of all native culture. Native children were taken from the parents, stripped of their cultural identifiers (long hair, traditional clothing and pastimes, etc) and raised/schooled in an extremely abusive institutional environment.
This is just a brief summary, but the effects of this system on the shaping of current Native issues is pretty widely documented. Sadly it is also pretty widely ignored by most Canadians.
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The depression and substance abuse has a lot more to do with the effects of the Residential School system than just a crappy life. The Canadian Government mandated the solution to "The Indian Problem" as forced assimilation and removal (in effect a genocide) of all native culture. Native children were taken from the parents, stripped of their cultural identifiers (long hair, traditional clothing and pastimes, etc) and raised/schooled in an extremely abusive institutional environment.
This is just a brief summary, but the effects of this system on the shaping of current Native issues is pretty widely documented. Sadly it is also pretty widely ignored by most Canadians.
Again, not our finest (and ongoing) moment.
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-Ducky- posted:
Natives and the French.
What is wrong with screwing over the French?
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This thread reminds me of a very good friend /vassel I played a lot of AC with
he was an EMT near some reservations in Canada.. he would get called out from our game all the time
he would tell me it is amazing how many natives would hurt other natives
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Natives and the French.
!@# the French they screw the natives too.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_system
and the handling of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_crisis
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natives
french
Inuits
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Japanese
east Indians
middle easterners
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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
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I think that in a nutshell he's saying yes, because their life f'in blows.
Pretty much. not all, but a lot of them, yes.
The West Coast natives have fared better, partly due to their tribes being split between British Columbia and the US. I know the Haida tribe does a lot for their people, keeping their traditions and arts alive.
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JD_HOGG posted:
I wonder who the Swedes screwed over, you know, besides Minecraft players.
The Minecraft episode is probably the worst one.
Other than that we conquered half of Europe at one point, had plenty of vikings pillaging before that, used to mess with Norway, Denmark and Finland etc.
But we're generally very nice 
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Aethelgrin posted:
JD_HOGG posted:
I wonder who the Swedes screwed over, you know, besides Minecraft players.
The Minecraft episode is probably the worst one.
Other than that we conquered half of Europe at one point, had plenty of vikings pillaging before that, used to mess with Norway, Denmark and Finland etc.
But we're generally very nice
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