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http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/14/us-usa-campaign-evangelicals-idUSTRE80D0OF20120114
At a weekend meeting at a ranch outside Houston, the group of 150 conservatives who had joined forces agreed on the third ballot to support the former Pennsylvania senator. Former House of Representatives Speaker Newt Gingrich came in second.
They had not been expected to reach agreement on one candidate since evangelical support has been splintered among Santorum, Gingrich and Texas Governor Rick Perry.
"There is clearly a united group here that is committed to see ... a true conservative elected to the White House," said Tony Perkins, leader of the Family Research Council and spokesman for the group.
But don't Evangelicals not consider Catholics to be real Christians just like they do with Mormons? 
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True but Catholics are Christians and Mormons arent
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True but Catholics are Christians and Mormons arent
uhhhhh...this is pretty much the dumbest thing ive read all morning
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Mormons arent Christians. They are like those flies which pretend to be bees in nature
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Real christians support Obama.
These hypocrites know that....they also know they are full of evil and idiots....as does everyone else. 
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That is pretty telling about the Evangelical bias against Mormons, because they do generally despise papists. I guess they'll take whatever flavor of religious crazy they can get. 
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Mormons arent Christians.
of course they aren't....just like whales aren't mammals
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You know nothing about Christianity Walker. They look and sound like Christians but for them the book of Mormon trumps the Bible.
They are like what Islam is to Christianity and Judaism. They all use the same base religious documents but they are clearly separate religions because they have secondary material which comes later than the original material and defines them as different and separate.
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What flavor of religion was that Obama guy involved in again? 
Those crazy libs will vote for any crazy American hating tard out there! 
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Obama is a Christian
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Involved in a crazy American hating church
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Exactly! No secret Muslim would be able to spend much time in that crazy church. It was too much for Oprah who had to leave it lol
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You know nothing about Christianity Walker. They look and sound like Christians but for them the book of Mormon trumps the Bible.
They are like what Islam is to Christianity and Judaism. They all use the same base religious documents but they are clearly separate religions because they have secondary material which comes later than the original material and defines them as different and separate.
and in catholicism the church trumps the bible...it's no different
i think it's very clear you are ignorant about christianity...what defines christianity isn't the bible ...if that was it then jews would be christian
while the bible is the source of the belief...the belief that is christianity is evident from the name....the belief that christ is the son of god and the savior of the people
last i checked...that encompassed mormons
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__Bonk__ posted:
You know nothing about Christianity Walker. They look and sound like Christians but for them the book of Mormon trumps the Bible.
They are like what Islam is to Christianity and Judaism. They all use the same base religious documents but they are clearly separate religions because they have secondary material which comes later than the original material and defines them as different and separate.
and in catholicism the church trumps the bible...it's no different
i think it's very clear you are ignorant about christianity...what defines christianity isn't the bible ...if that was it then jews would be christian
while the bible is the source of the belief...the belief that is christianity is evident from the name....the belief that christ is the son of god and the savior of the people
last i checked...that encompassed mormons
Ok after reading this pile of crap im going to have to go with Bonk on this one. You clearly have a warped view of the subject.
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Mormons dont believe the only way to heaven is through Christ like Chrisians. They all believe the Mormom Bible trumps the Christian Bible the same way Islam believes the Koran trumps the Old Testament from Judaism.
You are so ignorant Walker and a pure dumbass
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the only way there could be this much stupidity here is if i'm being trolled....i will assume that's what is going on...because i think my head would explode if i thought you were being serious
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From what I understand Mormons believe god has a wife, that god at one time had its own god,and they also believe that everyone else can become a god too and create thier own worlds.
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Your head will explode, but not for the reasons you are thinking.
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It would be cool to be a god!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sign me up!
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Reality posted:
Mormonism is a form of Christian primitivism that shares a common set of beliefs with the rest of the Latter Day Saint movement
More Reality posted:
Christian primitivism, also called restorationism, is the belief that Christianity should be restored along the lines of what is known about the early church, which Restorationists see as the search for a more pure and more ancient form of the religion.
Do I need to do the math for you as well?
In case you are still confused, the LDS churches are nontrinitarianist CHRISTIAN churches.
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From what I understand Mormons believe god has a wife, that god at one time had its own god,and they also believe that everyone else can become a god too and create thier own worlds.
http://news.discovery.com/history/god-wife-yahweh-asherah-110318.html
The Jews edited God's wife Asherah out of their texts around 600 BC.
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SKONK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do you hate baby Jesus SKONK?
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This argument has been covered at the Outpost ad nauseum, but it is somewhat amusing to see Bonk flail around at it like a drunken cripple.
The Book of Mormon does not supersede the Bible. It's more like a sequel to the Bible in the eyes of Mormons.
If anything, I'd say Mormons are more Christian than the rest of the religion, since the majority of them walk the walk and don't get all judgmental declaring who is or isn't a Christian.
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It does supercede the Bible. It adds to it and explains it further. Its later revelation just like the New Testament is to the Old Testament.
Very ignorant people in this thread. Dont even post here if you dont know what you are talking about
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I believe that their book of Mormon was written around the same time as portions of the Bible was being written.
It is dated starting around 600BC til I don't remember. I am not sure you know what you are talking about on this one.
They received the book and translated it to English much later but the actual book was written by what they believe to be prophets here in America.
They foretold of a Messiah. Anticipated his return and supposedly he came to them as well. They call the book "another" testament.
I do not believe they think it supersedes the bible but they do tend to use it a lot more imo.
Edit: Looks like 600BC through 421 AD.
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The book of Mormon was written by Joseph Smith in the 17th or 18th century, very recently.
Its a religion but at its start its no more credible than Scientology is today
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The book of Mormon was written by Joseph Smith in the 17th or 18th century, very recently.
Its a religion but at its start its no more credible than Scientology is today
They would tell you that it was translated by him.
Why is it such a hard sell to believe that people living in other parts of the world are receiving the same information?
That is not what I have a hard time getting my head around. It makes sense to me that the information would be given to more than just a small sample of people if it is the truth.
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And you wonder why I firmly believe ALL religion should be kept out of politics.
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The book of Mormon was written by Joseph Smith in the 17th or 18th century, very recently.
Its a religion but at its start its no more credible than Scientology is today
They would tell you that it was translated by him.
Why is it such a hard sell to believe that people living in other parts of the world are receiving the same information?
That is not what I have a hard time getting my head around. It makes sense to me that the information would be given to more than just a small sample of people if it is the truth.
Thats bs. He wrote it.
Its not Christianity. Its a religion that is similar to modern day Scientology.
Mormons are good people but not Christians. So much ignorance in this thread
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With his 3rd grade education he wrote that. They say it was finished ~ 75 days. It is 531 pages long. Hmmm.
Ignorance is definitely abundant here.
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Yes he wrote that or had it transcribed. How hard would it be for someone to write down what he said.
He was most likely a crazy person with charisma like many of the prophets of the past
So much ignorance here
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I will give you 75 days to write for me a book from several different peoples view points that has to be 530 pages long that all match up and coincide with each other.
I expect a difference in tone and storyline from each specific section of your book so as to show clarity between them. Also it should include a brief summary of the history of these people from 600BC - 420AD.
Good luck. The clock is ticking. I am sure with your education surpassing his it will be a small feat.
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To believe the lost tribe of Israel ended up in the US and all this was found on gold tablets is crazy. Where the hell are the gold tablets anyway?
/boggle
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To believe that some guy died on a cross and then came back to life 3 days later is crazy! Where the hell is he anyway?
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They are like what Islam is to Christianity and Judaism. They all use the same base religious documents but they are clearly separate religions because they have secondary material which comes later than the original material and defines them as different and separate.
Large parts of what Catholics believe come from sources other than the bible.
Which itself was only put together 325 years after the fact, of course.
In short that is a pretty stupid criticism.
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To believe the lost tribe of Israel ended up in the US and all this was found on gold tablets is crazy. Where the hell are the gold tablets anyway?
/boggle
Holy crap it's like snarf took over Bonk's account and set the "irony" setting to "kill."
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It just explains why evangelical leaders dont back Romney who is not a Christian. Non Chrisitans like Yuki dont really understand what a Christian is so his opinion doenst really matter
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"A Pew Research Center survey in November found that in a general election matchup, white evangelical GOP voters favor Romney over the president by a 91 percent to 6 percent margin. White evangelicals actually favored Romney over Mr. Obama by a wider margin that GOP voters overall."
Edit: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57358962-503544/fears-of-romney-revolt-among-evangelicals-appear-overblown/
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