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This is quite a reaction from the FL Congressman Allen West. His punishment suggestion was what I thought would happen, until SECDEF got involved.
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.â€
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html
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Alan West is another war mongering Zionist neocon who ran on a tea party platform only to immediately ally himself with Israel.
JPost posted:
81 congressmen to visit Israel in coming weeks
By HERB KEINON 08/08/2011
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=232876
Eighty-one congressmen, or about 20 percent of the US House of Representatives, will visit Israel over the next three weeks during Congress’s summer recess, with the first group of 26 Democrats scheduled to arrive on Monday.
Continued at above link.
Partial list:
Mo Brooks R-5 AL, Eric Cantor R-7 VA, Russ Carnahan D-3 MO, Steve Chabot R-1 OH, David Cicilline D-1 RI, Yvette Clarke D-11 NY, Mark Critz D- 12 PA, Scott DesJarlais R- 4 TN, Chuck Fleischman R-3 TN, John Garamendi D-10 CA, Kay Granger R-12 TX, Michael Grimm NY-13, Janice Hahn D-36 CA, Jaime Herrera? Buetler R-3 WA, Mazie Hirono D- 2 HI, Steny Hoyer D-5 MD, Jesse Jackson Jr. D-2 IL, Patrick Meehan D-7 PA, Kevin McCarthy CA-22, Gwen Moore D-4 WI, Bill Owens D-23 NY, Steven Palazzo R-4 MS, Ed Perlmutter D-7 CO, Tom Price R-6 GA, Peter Roskam R-6 IL, Loretta Sanchez D-47 CA, David Schweikert R-5 AZ, Adam Smith D-9 WA, Steve Southerland R-2 FLA, Betty Sutton D-13 OH, Scott Tipton R-3 CO, Allen West R-22 FL, Frederica Wilson D-17 FL, Kevin Yoder R-3 KS, Kathy Castor D-11 FL, Hank Johnson D-4 GA.
As you can see and like I keep saying, this Zionist Occupied Government encompasses both sides of the aisle. These people do not put America's interest first.
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We get it you want the Jews dead.
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Tons of people hate Jews for some reason
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We get it you want the Jews dead.
Wrong, I want America free of fascist entanglements. I want the American people back in control of their own government, media and finance.
Some of us actually put our own country first.
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THE JEWS MADE THE MARINES PEE ON AL QAIDA
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He is right.
If you haven't been to war you really have no right to say anything.
Those Marines were in a life or death situation against an enemy they know would do far worse to them if the roles were reversed.
They acted like savages, but what do you expect? As far as I can tell war isn't pleasant.
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It used to be that Americans didn't do certain things because you felt that it was the right thing to do.
Obviously your nation's collective maturity level dropped by about 40 years, because now you think it's ok to do certain things because someone else does them to you.
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Good for him, I actually think the punishment fits the crime in that case.
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The war is hell argument works for me. I'm not down with blaming anyone else-even the enemy.
Although, my memory is dim. I believe when I went AWOL, I was given an Article 15 (non-judicial punishment). I was given 30 days hard labor, which translated to staying in my barracks, and picking up cigarette butts. I was only AWOL for about a week. I will repeat for the nth time: I received an honorable discharge.
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War is hell but its best to try to restrain yourself from doing stuff like abusing the bodies after the enemies are dead if you want to win the hearts and minds of the people like the US is trying to do in Afghanistan.
Acts like that even if they pale in comparison to what the enemy does is horrible PR for the US over there.
Best for the US to just try to get the hell out of there ASAP
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Disrespecting the body of another human being from whom you've taken a one and only life is immature at best.
Then again, given the intelligence standards of u.s. military recruitment these days, what can you expect from the dimmest of american intellect?
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Every military in history had grunts doing the fighting. The US military is by far the most superior to any in the world today. Even the grunts should know better than this. Bad move and all caught on vid for our lovely brown brothers to get up and scream for our heads.
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The best advice the US military could give its men and women regarding acts like this is this:
If you do it, which is inadvisable, don't take pictures.
Simple
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Disrespecting the body of another human being from whom you've taken a one and only life is immature at best.
Then again, given the intelligence standards of u.s. military recruitment these days, what can you expect from the dimmest of american intellect?
This has less to do with intelligence or standards (which you are plainly ignorant of) and more to do with frat boy attitudes.
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Court marshall the little shits.
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Aerlinthian posted:
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We get it you want the Jews dead.
Wrong, I want America free of fascist entanglements. I want the American people back in control of their own government, media and finance.
Some of us actually put our own country first.
so evil Jews control the political system, the media and the flow of money... where have i heard that before? 
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so evil Jews control the political system, the media and the flow of money... where have i heard that before?
Yeah it does sound familiar, doesn't it.
Then it dawned on me:
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Those marines failed.
War is hell. Killing people because someone said you should is stupid.
They failed as human beings, failed as Americans, failed as individuals.....they sucked up the shit that government spews and went with it.
Fuck them. Fuck their reasons, fuck their excuses, fuck their rationalizations.
Killing any person is a big deal. They made light of it, the world will be a better place without them running around in it. Throw them in a hole and then fill it in.
Their stupidity will cost other soldiers their lives.
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He is right.
If you haven't been to war you really have no right to say anything.
Bullshit. If I am paying for it you can goddamn well bet I am going to have something to say about it whether you like it or not.
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Tych2 posted:
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He is right.
If you haven't been to war you really have no right to say anything.
Bullshit. If I am paying for it you can goddamn well bet I am going to have something to say about it whether you like it or not.
you're not paying for it douchebag. You probably aren't even paying for what gets spent on you right now.
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Tens years of war will change anyone, even the most upright soldier, Airman, Sailor, or Marine, I don't condone it, but I certainly having been there can understand why they might want to do it. They were howeer dumb giving in to their anger like that, andif it turns out it is legit and not some BS fake thing, they will get what is coming to them.
It's just to bad the media can't pay this much attention to how the entire government is pissing all over us. BUt that is on the script they get.
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The only dumb thing they did was to take a picture. How stupid is that? What were they thinking taking a picture of it? There must be a huge disconnect with reality in war.
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"War is hell"
Well, then stop doing it. Crime is hell, too.
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GrilledCheez posted:
Tych2 posted:
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He is right.
If you haven't been to war you really have no right to say anything.
Bullshit. If I am paying for it you can goddamn well bet I am going to have something to say about it whether you like it or not.
you're not paying for it douchebag. You probably aren't even paying for what gets spent on you right now.
I sure am douchebag. As long as I am paying taxes and they are using them and if you don't like it tough shit. I am probably pay for your worthless ass and family too.
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Tych when they told him we were using "his" money to send soldiers to kill thousands and thousands of brown people who have never attacked or even seen an american before:
Tych when they told him one of the soldiers we sent to do that peed on one of them:
PS. You have no idea whether you pay more taxes than I do, but most douchebags have serious complexes so I am not surprised.
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The weak bogyman plays are fast wearing out. More and more Americans are beginning to understand what is happening to them and their nation.
Americans are learning that politicians like Senator Carl Levin [D-Michigan] who authored the NDAA holds dual Israeli US citizenship.
You think it is right that elected leaders have confirmed dual loyalties? If so, you people are softer in the head than I first supposed.
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 can you be more melty.
You just can't get anything correct can you?
I supported the war for one reason. Vengeance. I have no problem with that. I've stated several times I don't care about those people. I make no excuses for my stance.
I haven't said one thing about the marines peeing on anyone. I dare you to find one statement about it with me as the author. I'll tell you this though. I don't think what they did was right.
I took issue with the statement...
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If you haven't been to war you really have no right to say anything.
Of course you as you always do assume you know everything, but as usual it's pointed out you don't.
So cry more GC all you want. I wish I didn't have to support your ass, but we all have crosses to bare.
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You didn't have to say it. We all know you got the vapors thinking about it. It cracks me up you come back to the money as the important factor when people on both sides are losing their lives. Can you be any more self absorbed or pathetic? But look who I am asking.
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Cry more GC. I think I see a tear forming up.
You are just pissy because I can troll you on this issue.
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Tens years of war will change anyone, even the most upright soldier, Airman, Sailor, or Marine, I don't condone it, but I certainly having been there can understand why they might want to do it. They were howeer dumb giving in to their anger like that, andif it turns out it is legit and not some BS fake thing, they will get what is coming to them.
It's just to bad the media can't pay this much attention to how the entire government is pissing all over us. BUt that is on the script they get.
Agreed. Their actions, though inderstandable, are inexcusable. They are not to be condoned. In shot that is not who we are. There is no honor in it. That is not how I want my country represented. I do not know what the Marines use as tools to "program" their warriors but for the 20 years I served, the Army used: The Army Values, Leadership Traits, Army Ethics, Soldiers Creed, NCO Creed, Warrior Ethos, and more as guidelines towards building combat ready soldiers who would represent our country with pride and serve with honor. For the vast majority, it works, but then human nature comes into play and you can end up with behavior such as this... Again, it is wrong, its not to be condoned. There is no honor in it. Anyone excusing it or appluading it. Is an idiiot. It does not deserve all the attention and fanfare its getting. It should be handled swiftly, fairly, and publicly.
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You have been sold a line of BS (propaganda) if you think there is honor in organized killing.
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You have been sold a line of BS (propaganda) if you think there is honor in organized killing.
Mo, I carry a weapon every night hoping that I never have to use it AGAIN.
We are different and always shall be.
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I understand. However, we disagree. There are always grey areas.
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I understand. However, we disagree.
"I come from the American Indian school where I honor the enemy I kill, even while I am doing everything to kill him and I may scalp him. However, I do not judge these men for their behavior. Pull the trigger or piss is just irony. Theirs was socio-cultural herd inculcated behavior. In general, it is best to not place yourself in a kill or be killed situation." - Modeeb
The decision and the act of killing are very hard things to to deal with once the dust settles. I did not say there was honor in organized killing. That redirect suits your argument. Not mine. What I said was that their behavior lacked honor. I can understand it but I cannot condone it.
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So many people dont know how native americans fought their wars. Its unbelievable the lack of knowledge of history most people seem to have
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We are nvading them, we dont have to be there at all.
But its bad when we are the bad guys (invaders) and to top it off we have idiot kids peeing in dead bodies. We dont need people like this walking our streets.
Lock them up .
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A great and timely interview (12:00) that talks about our moral imperative in this endless war cycle we find ourselves trapped in.
http://youtu.be/WSFRQGwM6nk
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“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
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Shut your mouth. America is better than that.
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The guys need to be prosecuted.
Sad part of war. The desensitized men and women that result from it.
Japanese were eating men they shot down. I just can't imagine getting to that point.
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The people who did that became animals. They actually deserve to be shot and removed from the human gene pool
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Thugoneous posted:
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
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The ability for some people to point at terrorist actions as a justification for being a douchebag never ceases to amaze me.
When you lower yourself to the level of a beast then that is what you are.
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So many people dont know how native americans fought their wars. Its unbelievable the lack of knowledge of history most people seem to have
Are you trying to be ironic today or is the snow just making you crazier than usual?
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I'm serious. Study how they fought their many wars and they did fight tons of wars with other tribes before they ended up fighting Europeans and AMericans later
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Article 15 is sufficient, war crimes or court martial is a stupid knee jerk reaction with little actual thought into what might actually drive a soldier to that point.
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Tych2 is a namby pamby. He takes issue not with soldiers peeing on dead bodies but with people saying that he shouldn't take issue with such issues because he's not in the military, not that he would ever have such issues, and he dares you to find one word he wrote about such issues!
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Free agency should never be taken out of the equation when in a court of law without a doctors diagnosis.
What ifs are a very slippery slope.
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“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.â€
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html
The men acted like idiots - but I don't understand the outrage that sometimes men act like idiots in war. It's like people are discovering for the first time that war leads to idiotic actions. What the men did was wrong, and they need to answer for it; however, people need to chill on the frothing outrage. 
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I was shocked that they talked Court Martial. That is simple posing.
A good hard slap on the wrist, or penis in this case, is what is called for. Something real that sticks to the record but nothing major.
They are guilty of being classless morons, nothing more and nothing less.
Save Court Martials for the vermin who rape and kill innocents.
Or taitors like Bradley Manning.
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Wtf are amercans doing there in the first place?
Fix the root of the problem and there will be less killing and peeing on bodies.
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hth.
It really did! Thanks!!
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Thousands of Iraqi civilians have died.
These are people who weren't combatants, and no one is crying for them.
Active enemy combatants died and get pissed on and suddenly people are decrying the loss of American values.
We have indeed become a warped people.
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Over million Iraqi civilians died.
These are people who weren't combatants, and no one is crying for them.
Active enemy combatants died and get pissed on and suddenly people are decrying the loss of American values.
We have indeed become a warped people.
Yup.
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I think it's funny. Almost all of my friends are ex military. Several of them are marines. And most of my family served.
Out of all of my military friends and family, I, the one with no military history, am the only one that doesn't want them flogged to death.
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Thousands of Iraqi civilians have died.
These are people who weren't combatants, and no one is crying for them.
Utterly false. Lots of people care, you included.
You also completely fail to see the issue here. It's not about them. It's about our own dignity.
Those soldiers disgraced their uniforms.
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War isn't dignified.
It is men marching off to their deaths at the command of men who stand to gain at their expense.
We are animals. No matter what ideas you might like to hide behind we all do ugly things.
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Rationalizing it doesn't change anything. We are supposed to be fighting for a just cause.
Those men disgraced their uniforms while representing this country.
Most soldiers would probably agree.
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In reality, the worst is rarely caught on film... So this might be a regular activity. Im sure rape is common as well. It was happening a lot in iraq.
If you consider how often people are raped under friendly circumstances (date rape) and in non war zones.. The incidence of rape by americans to afghani men, women and children is probably high and mot reported; it was quite common in vietnam.
So these people saying peeing on dead bodies is no big deal might be right... They probably know what kinds of atrocities are really going on and the rest of us are so naive that we think this is bad.
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I am a namby pamby!
like, Duh!
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Thugoneous posted:
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
“All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.â€
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/allen-west-marines-incident-shut-your-mouth-war-hell_616699.html
The men acted like idiots - but I don't understand the outrage that sometimes men act like idiots in war. It's like people are discovering for the first time that war leads to idiotic actions. What the men did was wrong, and they need to answer for it; however, people need to chill on the frothing outrage.
The outrage is what will generate their answering for it. Otherwise this sort of thing gets brushed under the rug, or outright covered up.
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Kjarhall, the punishment should fit the crime... Court Martial, or even one general said this could be considered a war crime is way over the top, article 15 loss of rank, confinement is plenty of punishment and gives them the opertunity to get help and atone.
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Kjarhall, the punishment should fit the crime... Court Martial, or even one general said this could be considered a war crime is way over the top, article 15 loss of rank, confinement is plenty of punishment and gives them the opertunity to get help and atone.
Exactly.
The hyperbole around this is nuts. The men were being idiots. Punish them appropriately.
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Kjarhall, the punishment should fit the crime... Court Martial, or even one general said this could be considered a war crime is way over the top, article 15 loss of rank, confinement is plenty of punishment and gives them the opertunity to get help and atone.
I agree, but is irrelevant to what i said. There still needs to be some outrage in order for episodes like this to stay in the light of day, instead of being non-existant and unpunished.
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Kjarhall, the punishment should fit the crime... Court Martial, or even one general said this could be considered a war crime is way over the top, article 15 loss of rank, confinement is plenty of punishment and gives them the opertunity to get help and atone.
Exactly.
The hyperbole around this is nuts. The men were being idiots. Punish them appropriately.
I already said that!
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I think it is wrong what they did.. but I agree that the press is making a bigger deal out of it then it is. Properly punish the soldiers sure, but war is hell. Pissing on dead bodies is no where near as bad as some of the things that have been done to our soldiers.
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