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http://multiamerican.scpr.org/2012/01/the-nations-immigrant-population-illustrated/
what is the size of immigrant both legal and illegal population to California?
According to 2010 US Census California's population was 40.1% Non-Hispanic White, 6.2% Black or African American, 13.0% Asian, 1.0% American Indian, 0.4% Pacific Islander and 4.9% from two or more races. 37.6% of the total population are Hispanics or Latinos of any race.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California
lol basically the site added Asians in there to fudge the data a bit.
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When I visited San Diego, I thought it would be full of illegals..
not the case at all
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Besides the naked propagandizing, it doesn't take a lot of intelligence to read that picture and understand the converse information that can be drawn from it.
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F**k California and it's illegal democrats!
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Change the unauthorized to illegal and add in the amount that it costs the state of California, also add in the amount of $ sent to their country of origin, then see if it is a net gain or loss.
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naked propagandizing.
Irony. I've given up on the idea that you're smart enough to know what you're doing so hypocrisy is out.
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When I visited San Diego, I thought it would be full of illegals..
not the case at all
Nope. While some illegals stay near the border most get far away from it. The Latinos in San Diego are much different than what most of the country are used to. They can actually speak English very well and fit right in with the American culture. When you look at illegals, realize their children and grandchildren will be much more like this.o way I would send them to Mexico. They are truly not Mexican.
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What part of "illegal" don't these people understand.
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We in CA have plenty of issues, when it comes to illegal aliens.
There's a state rep who wants to push through legislation that would not impound the cars of illegal unlicensed drivers, if they are stopped and ticketed. (The Los Angeles Sherrif and Mayor are trying to do the same thing.)
They're trying to ram through the California DREAM act, which would give tuition assistance for college, to illegals.
There are still other groups that are pushing for licenses for illegals.
I have no problem with anyone, of any race, religion, creed or national origin - coming to the United States legally, in search of making a better life for themselves, in fact I encourage legal immigration. But when people come illegally, and want a handout, and government officials seek to give it to them, I have a problem.
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Referring to illegal aliens as 'immigrants' is the same as referring to shoplifters as 'shoppers'
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i like how it equates foreign born and immigrants to illegals.
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Referring to illegal aliens as 'immigrants' is the same as referring to shoplifters as 'shoppers'
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Or drug dealers as undocumented pharmacists.
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I think we should just open the boarder.
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The graph doesnt show how the illegal immigrants lower peoples wage or the cost their children have on our schools,unpaid medical bills or other social services they use but simply do not pay any taxes on because they mostly get paid under the table.
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Referring to illegal aliens as 'immigrants' is the same as referring to shoplifters as 'shoppers'
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Over used.
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We in CA have plenty of issues, when it comes to illegal aliens.
There's a state rep who wants to push through legislation that would not impound the cars of illegal unlicensed drivers, if they are stopped and ticketed. (The Los Angeles Sherrif and Mayor are trying to do the same thing.)
They're trying to ram through the California DREAM act, which would give tuition assistance for college, to illegals.
There are still other groups that are pushing for licenses for illegals.
I have no problem with anyone, of any race, religion, creed or national origin - coming to the United States legally, in search of making a better life for themselves, in fact I encourage legal immigration. But when people come illegally, and want a handout, and government officials seek to give it to them, I have a problem.
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Is California a failed state?
Edit: The debate was a pretty good time waster at work. Enjoy.
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Failifornia.
Their pandering to the 30 million illegal democrats broke them. I lol @ them.
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I think it's hilarious how hard you guys try to rationalize your xenophobia by trying to imply that illegal immigrants have some sort of negative net effect on our country. you don't even realize how difficult that question is to answer. it's not self-evident and when you pretend it is you are only kidding yourselves. seriously just spend five seconds thinking about all the things you would have to calculate, lol.
and then the debate is usually framed in pseudo-rationally by talking about economic impacts and legality. you've purposefully narrowed the perspective you want to focus on because economics and the legal system are supposed to be rational. you saved yourself from sounding like a bigot! hurray! it's too bad economics isn't good enough to actually tell you much. even in only economic terms, reducing the presence of illegals to net good or net bad is a ridiculously complicated question. economic reductionist methods fail.
so here's this debate that is narrowed to two fields that are terrible at describing the issue. is it any wonder that the supposedly smart people end up repeating tired phrases? illegal things are bad cuz they are against the law! derp. you don't have anything smart or new to say. how sad.
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Xenophobia doesn't even enter into it. I'm not sure why folks can't get past that.
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Xenophobia doesn't even enter into it. I'm not sure why folks can't get past that.
Rho
ok, i was just being insulting. so what's the real reason for obsessing over legality again?
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Xenophobia doesn't even enter into it. I'm not sure why folks can't get past that.
Rho
because it's the go to for people who are too PC to accept the truth
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Rhodoman posted:
Xenophobia doesn't even enter into it. I'm not sure why folks can't get past that.
Rho
ok, i was just being insulting. so what's the real reason for obsessing over legality again?
Your question answers itself. It's Illegal.
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if you like theories of moral development, here is one:
it is wrong because it is illegal falls somewhere around stage 4 i think.
can we try harder?
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Wait, so let me get this right, 13%~ Asians pulled in $100~ billion more than 37%~ Latinos? In other words, Asians are much better businessmen. Or am I missing something?
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We in CA have plenty of issues, when it comes to illegal aliens.
There's a state rep who wants to push through legislation that would not impound the cars of illegal unlicensed drivers, if they are stopped and ticketed. (The Los Angeles Sherrif and Mayor are trying to do the same thing.)
They're trying to ram through the California DREAM act, which would give tuition assistance for college, to illegals.
There are still other groups that are pushing for licenses for illegals.
I have no problem with anyone, of any race, religion, creed or national origin - coming to the United States legally, in search of making a better life for themselves, in fact I encourage legal immigration. But when people come illegally, and want a handout, and government officials seek to give it to them, I have a problem.
Exactly. When part of my tax money is used to further costs of taking care of illegal immigrants, be it by medical care, hospital costs for anchor babies, or any social programs, and I can't say that this money is to be used for only those that are *legal* citizens, then I have issues with the way that money is being spent. If this makes me racist, then tough.
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Wait, so let me get this right, 13%~ Asians pulled in $100~ billion more than 37%~ Latinos? In other words, Asians are much better businessmen. Or am I missing something?
that's weird huh. it's almost like we don't border an asian country.
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Hawkson posted:
We in CA have plenty of issues, when it comes to illegal aliens.
There's a state rep who wants to push through legislation that would not impound the cars of illegal unlicensed drivers, if they are stopped and ticketed. (The Los Angeles Sherrif and Mayor are trying to do the same thing.)
They're trying to ram through the California DREAM act, which would give tuition assistance for college, to illegals.
There are still other groups that are pushing for licenses for illegals.
I have no problem with anyone, of any race, religion, creed or national origin - coming to the United States legally, in search of making a better life for themselves, in fact I encourage legal immigration. But when people come illegally, and want a handout, and government officials seek to give it to them, I have a problem.
Exactly. When part of my tax money is used to further costs of taking care of illegal immigrants, be it by medical care, hospital costs for anchor babies, or any social programs, and I can't say that this money is to be used for only those that are *legal* citizens, then I have issues with the way that money is being spent. If this makes me racist, then tough.
But why? What is the difference between my tax dollars going to a person here legally that is a leech and a person her illegally that is also a leech?
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if you like theories of moral development, here is one:
it is wrong because it is illegal falls somewhere around stage 4 i think.
can we try harder?
You're being purposely obtuse. That it is illegal is not the moral argument for or against it, it is the argument for paying such close attention to it in order to resolve the situation satisfactorily. I have made no statements nor should you draw any conclusions about moral judgments.
There are immigration laws, millions of people are breaking them AND the government is doing basically nothing about it. Asking why this is worthy of attention is idiotic.
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Illegal democrats drive down wages. Blacks in the early 1990's in LA use to get $10 an hour in the Hotel industry. Illegal democrats invaded that industry, now it's a minimum wage job.
Why do you hate black people?
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oh, ok. that sounds more like stage 5. but i feel that stages is the wrong word. i like the word perspective better.
let me try to paraphrase and expand what you're saying and you tell me if i get you:
the fact that it is illegal means that for now society has decided that this is the rule and for this rule or any rule to be effective it must be enforced. To not enforce it is as ridiculous as not enforcing laws against theft. you have to change the rule.
but is there an excuse for breaking a rule? is this one of those cases?
why don't we change the law to let everyone in? are we really talking about overpopulation?
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Illegal democrats drive down wages. Blacks in the early 1990's in LA use to get $10 an hour in the Hotel industry. Illegal democrats invaded that industry, now it's a minimum wage job.
Why do you hate black people?
and everyone paid more for a hotel. why do you hate the free market?
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