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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4TNNacSd4M&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlyXNRrsk4A&ob=av2e
who do you think makes the most money?
who clearly has the most talent?
talent doesnt make money
spectacle makes money
money comes from image.
people are too stupid to understand much past superficial image.
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the lady gaga of 20 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8&ob=av2e
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Understanding what the consumer wants and how the system works is a good bit of skill
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sweeny_comodore posted:
the lady gaga of 20 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPn0KFlbqX8&ob=av2e
Cindy Lauper?
Hardly.
You're thinking more of Madonna:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pehMBaHgpWE
Madonna is excellent at playing the market, a virtuoso in that area.
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What actually determines how much money they make is how much of their career they actually own. Most artists of large recording outfits are essentially employees.
You are conflating popularity with success\money. In the music business, they are hardly the same.
Does the artist write their own music? If they do, do they actually own it?
How much of their album sales do they actually own?
How are their tours handled - what percentage of the gate are they taking in?
Same with merchandising - how much of that actually belongs to the artist?
These are the kinds of things you need to know to determine how much money an artist is actually making. It's not as cut and dry as it would seem.
For reference, look at this list of the Richest musicians. You'll note that Lady Gaga and Katy Perry aren't on it. I've never heard of 3\4 of these people. Those that I know surprise the hell out of me.
Tommy Shaw from the Styx?
Fats Dominoe?
Bryan Setzer?
Mickey Hart?
Art Alexakis (lead guitarist of Everclear)?
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The problem with that is that those musicians were smart and many made money outside of their music, investing in record companies, songs etc. Their wealth is irrelevant here.
And what, not Beatles? McCartney has top be richer than most of those twits. Then again...I didn't look at the whole list. If it goes up I just missed the pop tart from Liverpool.
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either way you look at it, money doesnt necessarily buy talent.
it buys greed and manipulative assholes who couldnt talent their way out of a wet paper bag.
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The incentive of money is relative. Many musicians are motivated primarily based on their love of music and possibly fame. The idea of making $1 million or $100 million is not that different. It is a lot more than they have as poor musicians.
Eventually you can have them just become motivated by money but it is a mixed bag.
Politicians are also motivated by all sorts of things besides money. Power being one of them.
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exceptions prove the rule. Some people would be musicians for free, btu I'm sure some really great musicians do it for the money. I'm sure there are musiaicns who ar ebetter because they get money and can do it full time.
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I doubt there are really any musicians who write better music because they get 10 million dollars for it instead of 1 million for it.
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I doubt there are really any musicians who write better music because they get 10 million dollars for it instead of 1 million for it.
no but there may be more people trying or publishing, or publicizing because of the payoffs.
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I doubt there are really any musicians who write better music because they get 10 million dollars for it instead of 1 million for it.
i doubt theres anyone who does a better job at anything because they get 10 mil instead of 1 mil, or even 100k.
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I doubt there are really any musicians who write better music because they get 10 million dollars for it instead of 1 million for it.
i doubt theres anyone who does a better job at anything because they get 10 mil instead of 1 mil, or even 100k.
that's demonstrably false. the boss at my job makes millions and he works his butt off. nobody has ever wondered why. I am CONFIDENT that if he was just a worker he'd be far less committed.
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GrilledCheez posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
I doubt there are really any musicians who write better music because they get 10 million dollars for it instead of 1 million for it.
no but there may be more people trying or publishing, or publicizing because of the payoffs.
I doubt there are any more people trying to be musicians because they could make 10 million bucks a year instead of 1 million bucks a year.
But you are probably right about the corporate side of things.
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yeah but the corporate side of things pulls in the other side of things. You think no teens take basketball more seriously because of the NBA?
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i doubt theres anyone who does a better job at anything because they get 10 mil instead of 1 mil, or even 100k.
that's demonstrably false. the boss at my job makes millions and he works his butt off. nobody has ever wondered why. I am CONFIDENT that if he was just a worker he'd be far less committed.[/quote]
What if he made a billion a year? Do you think he would work even harder?
I don't think anyone disagrees money can be a motivating factor but the relationship has pretty serious diminishing returns above a certain threshhold.
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stupid posted:
i doubt theres anyone who does a better job at anything because they get 10 mil instead of 1 mil, or even 100k.
that's demonstrably false. the boss at my job makes millions and he works his butt off. nobody has ever wondered why. I am CONFIDENT that if he was just a worker he'd be far less committed.
What if he made a billion a year? Do you think he would work even harder?
I don't think anyone disagrees money can be a motivating factor but the relationship has pretty serious diminishing returns above a certain threshhold.
yes and not only that but I think he'd have higher expectations of his workers as well.
I think the disconnect generally comes in when there is something to disconnect how well you do your job from the potential you can make. That's why I don't work nearly as hard as he does. If I do twice as well I don't even make twice as much. If he does twice as well he may make ten times as much. no matter how much you make if I offer you ten times more for ten percent more effort the vast majority of us would try to do it.
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I just watched a documentary on Greek pottery and the artists making it. The claim was that they were all poor and no one really cared about the artwork besides the artists themselves who were very competitive.
When it comes to artists the motivation can be money for sure but there are other motivations at work that are very strong. Politics can be similar because of the power that is involved. State legislatures tend to pay the house members crap for example.
Many politicians are already wealthy.
Even Elvis supposedly got sick of just going after money and got interested in the music more late in his career. That might be BS but believable BS.
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there is no doubt that there are tons of motivating factors outside of money, but that doesn't mean money isn't one. For the vast majority of people money is a key motivator if not they key motivator in how they perform work.
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I am pretty sure this thread is the result of me suggesting in another thread that we shouldn't pay politicians less because there is already a shortage of talent.
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Once you have enough money that you know that no matter how stupid you get you will never be less than minimally rich again....it doesn't mean a thing.
To most people.
Some asstards seem to think it's a fking contest and you have to keep working your ass off and making more. They are pathetic, sad, and growing in number by leaps and bounds.
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so people making less than a million are lazy assholes?
would any of you suddenly work harder if your pay was increased by a mil?
you think macDs could serve more burgers faster if all the mexicans made a million dollars?
do you think the burgers would taste better?
would your kids learn better and more important things if their teachers made a mil or few instead of 60k?
is it the lazy teachers fault that our school systems are failing since they arent making a mil?
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I am pretty sure this thread is the result of me suggesting in another thread that we shouldn't pay politicians less because there is already a shortage of talent.
and the troll worked.
youve already contradicted yourself.
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I did?
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I did
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i make 30k a year and work my ass of so i can show my skills and move to the 60k group and when i get there ill work my ass of so i can get to the 100k group. part of the problem with this country is we as the public make it so these no talent minimal contributors can make the millions as opposed to the people that actually make a difference. when was the last time you heard some one say " you know with out that NBA player i never would have been able to understand math enough to balance my check book.
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i make 30k a year and work my ass of so i can show my skills and move to the 60k group and when i get there ill work my ass of so i can get to the 100k group. part of the problem with this country is we as the public make it so these no talent minimal contributors can make the millions as opposed to the people that actually make a difference. when was the last time you heard some one say " you know with out that NBA player i never would have been able to understand math enough to balance my check book.
who the fuck are you?
get the hell out of my thread.
next time i want a reply from you ill say "hay jack ass...."
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I would be more normal for my age if I made 60k per year.
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think of the beer you could deliver if you made a million a year.
16-18 hour days....
pshaw... yould be doing 30hr days and yould love it.
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think of the beer you could deliver if you made a million a year.
16-18 hour days....
pshaw... yould be doing 30hr days and yould love it.
/facepalm
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I noticed you said "hey jack ass" so here is my response. I worked at a job that i made a lot more than i do now and even if they offered me a million a year id never go back having a job you hate and dread waking up and having to go to it isn't worth the money. and at the end of the day just cause people get paid millions doesn't mean they have talent
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i doubt theres anyone who does a better job at anything because they get 10 mil instead of 1 mil, or even 100k.
That's because you're an idiot.
Henry Ford proved what happens when you pay people well for their work - and it's been proven umpteenzillion times since.
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i doubt theres anyone who does a better job at anything because they get 10 mil instead of 1 mil, or even 100k.
That's because you're an idiot.
Henry Ford proved what happens when you pay people well for their work - and it's been proven umpteenzillion times since.
henry ford paid his employees millions?
no, henry ford paid his employees a livable wage.
im all for people being paid a livable wage but an excessive wage is ridiculous and does not further the talent or skill of the employee any more than that of someone making a livable wage.
or are you saying a million is a livable wage and the rest of us are impovershed lazy assholes?
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