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5% abv
good shit
i want to open a brew pub.
the more i think about it, the more i want it.
what does it take to open a business?
aside from money.
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money is about it.
beer is gross though.
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people who say they dont like beer have never had good beer.
saying you dont like beer is like saying you dont like sammiches.
what does it take to get money from a bank for a business loan?
if it involves my credit rating then im sol.
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if you have to ask here i doubt it will ever happen 
beer is a funny beverage. i love it but i hated it the first time i drank it.
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oh, i already know the answers.
i just want to see/hear the questions somewhere other than in my head.
im adding validity to my wants more than looking for answers.
and again, if you tried one sammich and didnt like it, thats no reason to condemn the entire category of food.
same goes for beer.
and i can totally understand not liking american mass produced swill that passes for beer in most places
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Two of my really good buds are home brewers and serious beer nuts. We go to microbreweries all the time. I try everything they ask me to try. it is all awful. I'm not against liquor. Just beer. it is a drink with as many calories as a soda and as much alcohol as a spritzer and it tastes like ass.
I don't understand why anyone drinks it.
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if you want to get drunk then why bother with anything other than cheap vodka?
ive brewed beer with almost as much alcohol as wine. i think i max out around 9.5% abv with my current system.
with a bigger mash tun i could get that as high as 12% before the yeast starts to die off from alcohol poisoning.
the location ive found for my brew pub is on the same side of the street as a UPS hub and a couple other light industry/office type places. probably a few hundred people employed within walking distance.
across the street are slightly upper notch/yuppie condos. ive seen a few bimers and such going in and out of the complex.
its a very busy road at rush hour. tons of traffic from the local abbot laboratories. its about 3 blocks off a major highway. the road it would be on is a 4 lane divided with a turn lane in the middle.
macDs and a little strip mall down at the corner but no real food joints.
i want to do a friday fish fry with fresh local caught fish a couple times a month when i can get the fish. maybe a few times during the off season if i can get good fish.
a thursday meat and potato dinner type of thing once a month or so.
and offer fresh soup and deli style sammiches as a staple. maybe cheeseburgers and fries too.
a VIP room for business meetings, bachelor parties, company dinners, whatever...
all beer served is brewed on premises. all bread is made fresh daily from our spent grains and beer yeast. (ive made some killer bread here in my kitchen like that. im sure a real cook could do wonders).
sounds like a gold mine to me.
i think i might take a day off work here real soon and go actually look into this
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there are some small business owners on this board maybe ask them for advice.
my thoughts are that if you were to do it, start small with 1 specialty. ie simple bar with great beer and thats it.
not sure how large of a space you would need to have a bar and a brewery large enough to supply everyone that comes in either. might be too expensive to have both in the same place
you will need investors or need to borrow against your house before a bank loans you the money, you'll need a good business plan . Be prepared to work 18-20 hours a day for the first year
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offering food draws the lunch crowd from the other businesses in the area.
i dont think a bar would stand on its own.
its not intended to be a full scale restaurant. just a bar with a kitchen, hence the deli style sammiches as a staple. they are easy, quick and make a great lunch. who doesnt like a good reuban sammich or montecristo at lunch? pastrami and swiss on rye with a good spicy mustard....
i could brew a low cal, low alcohol, session beer that should satisfy all the bud light lovers and even the people who want a beer with their sammich at lunch.
the sammiches are not only delicious but they arent greasy "unhealthy" food either.
sammiches are not bad for you food.
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I didn't mean don't serve food at all but don't try to be known for too many things. I guess it's probably easy to specialise in just beer and sandwiches though.
It's not up your alley I know, probably too "yuppy" or something but I always figured a proper cafe would do well in the states. Real esspeesso coffee (and not $5 per cup) and not in a gimmicky Starbucks way.
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an espresso cafe would do great in the right area.
most people drink coffee.(period)
espresso is yuppy. very yuppy.
it might do good in the right neighborhood downtown chicago but not out in the far suburbs where i am.
i am in an area where the craft brew/high end beer trend is starting to take hold and theres enough of a higher end clientele with a 15-20 min drive that my place should work.
theres a brew pub 25 mins from my house thats been there 15+ years. theres a micro brewery that just opened about 30 mins from my house thats doing great and has great beers.
theres a couple other craft brew places in the area that are popular but dont have such great beer or its not so consistent. nothing within a few mins drive of where i want to open my place.
my last name is scottish. there used to be a brewery in scotland with my name till it got bought out by inbev and shut down recently.
i would totally do the scottish theme with short kilts on hot serving girls and maybe a scottish musician to play low key stuff at off peek times.
im in an area where this could fly off the handle in no time.
the time is now. move or lose.
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Really mild here. It's going to be 65 degrees today.
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Really mild here. It's going to be 65 degrees today.
did i mention that you should fuck off?
i had to put my car in storage for a couple days because of the snow.
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Bars are not easy to run, they either do mildly well or fail miserably. Personally, I would frequent a bar like that, as long as it wasn't too expensive. If I'm on lunch, I might stop in for a sandwich if its at sandwich price and not bar price. I might go there for a few beers, get hungry and order a sandwich, or just as easily say, "crap, $9 for a sandwich? Where can I go around here to eat."
I would suggest carrying some non-home brew as well. Not everyone is a beer enthusiast and you want to sell them something they know they'll like. I usually experiment but sometimes I want a good meal and a beer I know will go with it. Or think about heading out to a bar and just want a beer I'm used to.
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average price for a lunch around here is 8 bucks with a drink.
it would be all my brews but its not hard to brew a better bud/miller light.
i can emulate the standard light beer. thats what the "session beer" would be.
just because it doesnt carry your favorite moniker doesnt mean its not exactly the same or similar enough to pass as your old favorite.
ive sat and watched people come into a high end bar and try to order drinks. they say: "give me a bud light." we say: "we have the 60 shilling which is a bud light type of beer, only with real flavor."
5 gallons of 60 shilling would cost me 25 bucks. that price gets cheaper as the quantity goes up. thats a money maker beer. i hope they only drink that.
i could a deli sammich and a 60 shilling for 8 bucks all day long. or a coke/pepsi for those who cant handle an NA beer on their lunch breaks
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though im not against having a single cooler full of rare imports and craft beers.
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Call your bar the "cock in cider"
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Yeah, I would do that at least. I understand your passion for it, but you don't want to exclude any potential clients. Remember, its a business, not you trying to impress your friends with your latest. Maybe wait until you grow a little and compare your sales before you go all home brew. Honestly, I'd do at least half your drafts company beer, I'm not questioning your abilities to match their beer, but if someone has never been in your place before, they'll have to trust that your beer is good. You'll lose the customers who don't want to trust. You'll lose their friends when one says, "hey, lets go to sweenys, he's got amazing home brew!" And everyone else is like, " Eh, I just want a blue moon."
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sweeny_comodore posted:
Kordirn posted:
Really mild here. It's going to be 65 degrees today.
did i mention that you should fuck off?
i had to put my car in storage for a couple days because of the snow.
lol. I wish the sierra nevada would get some snow. I want to go snowboarding.
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theres no shortage of beer connoisseurs in this area.
the majority of "standard bars" in this, immediate area are total redneck dives or coke dens.
theres no shortage of people from neighboring towns that wouldnt flock to this place because its closer than the other brew pub, or just plain different.
i live in a town of 22k people that borders another town of about 40k people and another twon of aobut 20k....
im not out in the sticks. i, personally, drive a few towns over to hit nice bars with good beers.
im not looking to draw the local neighborhood regulars. im drawing a crowd from 4 or 5 neighboring towns as well as the work crowd at lunch time and after work for a quiick beer.
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Different culture and it's on the metro area but a friend of mine is a part owner of a cafe restaurant. $35k a week from
Coffee alone
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What do you know about that type of business? Have you worked for one or managed one in the past? Just having money is not enough
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ive managed other types of business and spent enough time in bars to understand somewhat of how they work
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i want to open a brew pub.
the more i think about it, the more i want it.
what does it take to open a business?
aside from money.
Business Acumen. This can be something you have naturally but most people don't. In your case I think it's safe to say you're not a natural businessman. So I would suggest getting some real training. Say...a college degree or an MBA.
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You can buy an MBA up front, but if you have the money it's way better to rent one. On the plus side they usually come with a self absorbed sycophant.
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i would definitely consult an MBA before i made any moves.
i think i would have no problems with the buisness side of things.
running a buisness cant be much different than running a life. money comes in, bills get paid, resources get replenished, and work gets done. not necessarily in that order but thats pretty much the jist of it.
profits go into a profit account where they sit for when the roof caves in or the fermenter springs a leak.
i dont see how i can be all that difficult
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Sweeny i took an entrepreneur class in college and what I learned from it is you really need to know the industry you are going to start a business in. Either you or your partner needs to be an expert and if you have a partner that is a whole other problem
If you want to open a bar work at a bar! Manage a bar. Learn the business.
Seriously
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i would hire an experienced manager.
that is something i already know i would need.
i would also need a serious professional brewer.
i brew great beers in my kitchen but things change when youre doing it large scale and HAVE to be consistent in the final product.
a professional brewer would also know more about yeast biology so we could harvest and maintain our own in house yeast. i am neither a biologist nor a chemist.
and id hire a real chef.
because, again, i can cook great meals for me, and a date sometimes, but i am not a chef or even a sammich shop technician.
im also sure i would run out of beer during a peak business time more than once, untill i can get a handle on how much gets drank and when i need to start a fresh brew so that all the bright tanks stay full
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Sweeny managers can steal from you especially if you dont know the business. The best thing for you to be is a hand on manager. I say this because one of my customers was ripped off by multiple manager and he lost three of his four stores. He is now the hands on manager with hs wife of the last store
Sweeny learn the business dude.
Also people seem to think for some reason opening a bar or a restaurant is easy. It isnt.
Now I know nothing about success is business but I really believe what I learned in those classes long ago.
I dont want to try to squash your dreams but you really need to learn that business before you invest one cent of your hard earned money in the venture.
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sweeny_comodore posted:
people who say they dont like beer have never had good beer.
I don't like the smell of beer so I have never tried any.
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SKONK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'd just sell my hamburger business, multiple rentals, and successful mechanic business. I think those are all the things youv'e said you owned on here.
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people can steal from me even if i know the buisness well.
stealing is prevented by keeping an eye on the books. not knowing the buisness.
i could see if i was buying kegs of beer and a manager was reporting that they cost more than what they did
but here ill be making the beer with ingredients i purchased. i know what the beer costs. i know how much is there. i have a good idea of how much should be on the books when that tank is empty.
same with making sammiches. once i know the cost of the supplies, i can estimate how much should be on the books at the end.
i never thought it would be easy.
this isnt something i want to do because i think its an easy way to get rich.
i want to do this because i want a brew pub with my name over the door and my beer flowing from the taps.
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Whatever you do be be a hands on manager Sweeny. If you are away they will steal from you.
Be careful and learn the business dude
Good luck
Also you might want to take online entrepreneurial classes too. They will teach you alot
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now if only i was arab or mexican and could get free gubmint moneys to start a buisness
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Many people partner with an minority to get such help
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or i could just lie and say im arab
technically its racist and illegal to offer such things to minorites and not white guys too
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Nobody wants yer Scottish beer!
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Ranger is da bomb diggity scrizzle yo
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1) write a compelling business plan
2) go to bank and get a big fat loan
3) escape to mexico! ARRRRIBA!!!
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Sierra Nevada's Ruthless Rye is good. Their Torpedo IPA tends to disappear off the local store's shelf alomst as soon as it's stocked. I think the Ruthless IPA is new.
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