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With all the talk about government agencies getting cut, why is this never mentioned?
It's been the biggest expansion of government since FDR and is a complete waste of money.
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I like it in concept, but am unsure how it plays out in reality. Kinda crap that agencies don't share information with each other when they're playing for the same team.
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What would you cut?
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Me?
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Yes.
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Suspending reality, if I had absolute authority to change things:
The TSA would be funded privately by the airlines.
The actual DHS is gone. Any major responsibilities they have can be given to the FBI counter-terrorism depts.
The DNI is gone as well. That was political retribution against the CIA anyway. Was never necessary. The information aggregation parts of the DNI would become a dept in the CIA.
The pentagon's operating budget I would take an axe too. I'd really trim the fat on the amenities that high ranking paper pushers get.
PMC would be reduced by 75% across the board. Military recruitment would skyrocket to fill the gap.
Wholesale reductions in IRS staff after simplification of the tax code (I actually like the idea of a flat tax.)
No more corporate welfare.
Cost plus would be gone from about 90% of govt contracts. Government contractors can now either get paid for their work\labor or maintain the IP on development they were tasked to do - not both.
The Labor Department and Department of Labor would be collapsed into a single entity.
20% reduction in presidential, cabinet, and congressional pay. If I really had my druthers, I'd tie Senatorial pay to the median income of their state.
Massive reductions in troops and bases abroad.
I could come up with more if I thought on it some, but there are some ideas.
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The reason DHS came about is a real and valid reason, albeit the incompetence of our CIA, FBI, and NSA to play nice together.
They literally were not helping each other even remotely as much as they could/should have been.
DHS/patriot act added alot of nonsense in general, but going back to pre-DHS is not an option and neither side will go there.
If you get rid of DHS you must rework the mandates and framework of our other intel orgs first.
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Why would you want to reburden the already-failing airliners with cumbersome security costs? Assuming the fed would set the security standards, it seems a bit much to put on the airliners.
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Suspending reality, if I had absolute authority to change things:
The TSA would be funded privately by the airlines.
The actual DHS is gone. Any major responsibilities they have can be given to the FBI counter-terrorism depts.
The DNI is gone as well. That was political retribution against the CIA anyway. Was never necessary. The information aggregation parts of the DNI would become a dept in the CIA.
The pentagon's operating budget I would take an axe too. I'd really trim the fat on the amenities that high ranking paper pushers get.
PMC would be reduced by 75% across the board. Military recruitment would skyrocket to fill the gap.
Wholesale reductions in IRS staff after simplification of the tax code (I actually like the idea of a flat tax.)
No more corporate welfare.
You might think about electing Dr. Paul then.
What you are suggesting is exactly what he'd like to do. Well I think he'd eliminate the IRS as a whole but otherwise I think you're pretty close.
Cost plus would be gone from about 90% of govt contracts. Government contractors can now either get paid for their work\labor or maintain the IP on development they were tasked to do - not both.
The Labor Department and Department of Labor would be collapsed into a single entity.
20% reduction in presidential, cabinet, and congressional pay. If I really had my druthers, I'd tie Senatorial pay to the median income of their state.
Massive reductions in troops and bases abroad.
I could come up with more if I thought on it some, but there are some ideas.
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Most of what you listed seems like shifts of responsibilities which seem rather arbitrary.
I don't get your IP argument.
An easier tax is possible but most flat tax ideas are just bad.
The idea that Congressional pay is a problem is just stupid. There are probably too many of them but one of the major problems we have is a lack of talent in the legislature.
I don't see much about DHS in your post Tali.
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Why would you want to reburden the already-failing airliners with cumbersome security costs? Assuming the fed would set the security standards, it seems a bit much to put on the airliners.
why should people who don't fly have to pay for it?
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We are not cutting DHS because they are the ones who will come into your house and take....oops one second someone at the door.
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Most of what you listed seems like shifts of responsibilities which seem rather arbitrary.
I don't get your IP argument.
An easier tax is possible but most flat tax ideas are just bad.
The idea that Congressional pay is a problem is just stupid. There are probably too many of them but one of the major problems we have is a lack of talent in the legislature.
I don't see much about DHS in your post Tali.
What would you cut?
Also, fwiw - I am talking about getting rid of half of the third largest cabinet.
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Why would you want to reburden the already-failing airliners with cumbersome security costs? Assuming the fed would set the security standards, it seems a bit much to put on the airliners.
If it's a public service, make it a public service.
If it's a for profit enterprise, let it be a for profit enterprise.
I'm sick to death of keeping the airline industry afloat and getting such a horrific ROI. Put up or shut up time imo.
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Taliesihne posted:
Suspending reality, if I had absolute authority to change things:
The TSA would be funded privately by the airlines.
The actual DHS is gone. Any major responsibilities they have can be given to the FBI counter-terrorism depts.
The DNI is gone as well. That was political retribution against the CIA anyway. Was never necessary. The information aggregation parts of the DNI would become a dept in the CIA.
The pentagon's operating budget I would take an axe too. I'd really trim the fat on the amenities that high ranking paper pushers get.
PMC would be reduced by 75% across the board. Military recruitment would skyrocket to fill the gap.
Wholesale reductions in IRS staff after simplification of the tax code (I actually like the idea of a flat tax.)
No more corporate welfare.
Cost plus would be gone from about 90% of govt contracts. Government contractors can now either get paid for their work\labor or maintain the IP on development they were tasked to do - not both.
The Labor Department and Department of Labor would be collapsed into a single entity.
20% reduction in presidential, cabinet, and congressional pay. If I really had my druthers, I'd tie Senatorial pay to the median income of their state.
Massive reductions in troops and bases abroad.
I could come up with more if I thought on it some, but there are some ideas.
Throw in some campaign finance reform and lobbying reform and I'll start a fkn petition to get you on the ballot for the next election even though you're a smelly liberal.
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Tipztoe posted:
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Why would you want to reburden the already-failing airliners with cumbersome security costs? Assuming the fed would set the security standards, it seems a bit much to put on the airliners.
why should people who don't fly have to pay for it?
Because its not in their interest for planes to fly into buildings?
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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Tipztoe posted:
Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Why would you want to reburden the already-failing airliners with cumbersome security costs? Assuming the fed would set the security standards, it seems a bit much to put on the airliners.
why should people who don't fly have to pay for it?
Because its not in their interest for planes to fly into buildings?
The odds of me or anyone else being in one of these "buildings" is pretty damn slim.
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Throw in some campaign finance reform and lobbying reform and I'll start a fkn petition to get you on the ballot for the next election even though you're a smelly liberal.
No more economic special interest groups are allowed to petition the government. This would include unions as well as corporations and trade groups. Government representation and access is for citizens. Please note, business moguls and union thugs are free to band together and petition as private citizens, but they can no longer use multiple vehicles to do so.
Campaigns would be publicly financed - follow the Maine model. Tv and Radio stations would be required to donate ad time for free.
Please note, most of this is brainstorming type ideas - would take more time then I'm willing to commit to the Op atm. Nowhere near complete - SOO caught me a bit off guard, which is why I'm not responding to his criticisms.
Tbh, I would make a good politician. But I've lived life and have lots of baggage - it's not in the cards for me. Perhaps when I get old and stop playing soccer I'll run for local office.
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Taliesihne posted:
Cawlin posted:
Throw in some campaign finance reform and lobbying reform and I'll start a fkn petition to get you on the ballot for the next election even though you're a smelly liberal.
No more economic special interest groups are allowed to petition the government. This would include unions as well as corporations and trade groups. Government representation and access is for citizens. Please note, business moguls and union thugs are free to band together and petition as private citizens, but they can no longer use multiple vehicles to do so.
Campaigns would be publicly financed - follow the Maine model. Tv and Radio stations would be required to donate ad time for free.
Please note, most of this is brainstorming type ideas - would take more time then I'm willing to commit to the Op atm. Nowhere near complete - SOO caught me a bit off guard, which is why I'm not responding to his criticisms.
Tbh, I would make a good politician. But I've lived life and have lots of baggage - it's not in the cards for me. Perhaps when I get old and stop playing soccer I'll run for local office.
Yep, I think some of that needs work, but generally speaking it looks to be going in the right direction as far as I'm concerned - corporations are not "people" and if you follow through on handling them that way...
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What would you cut?
Also, fwiw - I am talking about getting rid of half of the third largest cabinet.
You are? You seem to be suggesting moving responsibilities around and raising taxes.
I am all for completely reworking elections. I don't see the lobby thing working.
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Bleh, not in the mood to argue ideas with a critic. Now if you want to contribute something and put forth some of your ideas....
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I think the idea that we can just mess around and figure out how to save some money is laughable. I don't blame you for not really knowing what needs to be cut. I doubt most people know the first thing about an agency's budget unless the work with the agency on a regular basis.
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Yap yap yap.
Prove it. Put up or shut up.
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Wut?
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Participate in the discussion. If you have better ideas, lets hear them Siskel.
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My main comment is that we need more information so your comments don't make much sense.
I don't presume to know how to run GE better either.
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I think its more of an exercise of what would do if you won a million dollars. Stop being a stick in the mud.
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Precisely Tych. I'm not writing a thesis or crafting a platform. This is like talking with Baym - you answer a question and he proceeds to beat you over the head with it for like 4 pages. Booo-rrring.
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I won't ever advocate any sort of cut to any sort of government expenditures whatsoever.
Yeah we get it dude, but you're full of siht on the matter, so GTFO.
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I am the first to point out that cutting spending is hard and takes professionals to do it effectively. That the people and even the legislature is too far removed from the workings of an agency budget to the point that any change would be a shot in the dark. I am a big proponent of making agency budgets more transparent. To making it far more clear what a program does and how much it costs and where that money is going.
The Federal budget is so massive I would assume there is plenty of fat to be cut but what it is specifically and how to do it is a huge unknown.
The Department of Defense for example.
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I won't ever advocate any sort of cut to any sort of government expenditures whatsoever.
Yeah we get it dude, but you're full of siht on the matter, so GTFO.
Actually my position is that people know what they are cutting and why they are cutting it.
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And if I were an actual politician or in a position to do so, serious discussion would be understood.
But since this is essentially a thought experiment, I don't get why you are wholly unwilling to do anything but criticize.
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Most of what you listed seems like shifts of responsibilities which seem rather arbitrary.
I don't get your IP argument.
An easier tax is possible but most flat tax ideas are just bad.
The idea that Congressional pay is a problem is just stupid. There are probably too many of them but one of the major problems we have is a lack of talent in the legislature.
I don't see much about DHS in your post Tali.
so you think higher pay will get more talent?
are you on fucking crack?
how much MORE do we have to pay for decent talent?
they should never make more than the average of the districts they come from.
and the president should be paid based on the national average.
if they want a raise, they can work at increasing the average pay (read: middle class).
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Taliesihne posted:
Suspending reality, if I had absolute authority to change things:
The TSA would be funded privately by the airlines.
The actual DHS is gone. Any major responsibilities they have can be given to the FBI counter-terrorism depts.
The DNI is gone as well. That was political retribution against the CIA anyway. Was never necessary. The information aggregation parts of the DNI would become a dept in the CIA.
The pentagon's operating budget I would take an axe too. I'd really trim the fat on the amenities that high ranking paper pushers get.
PMC would be reduced by 75% across the board. Military recruitment would skyrocket to fill the gap.
Wholesale reductions in IRS staff after simplification of the tax code (I actually like the idea of a flat tax.)
No more corporate welfare.
Cost plus would be gone from about 90% of govt contracts. Government contractors can now either get paid for their work\labor or maintain the IP on development they were tasked to do - not both.
The Labor Department and Department of Labor would be collapsed into a single entity.
20% reduction in presidential, cabinet, and congressional pay. If I really had my druthers, I'd tie Senatorial pay to the median income of their state.
Massive reductions in troops and bases abroad.
I could come up with more if I thought on it some, but there are some ideas.
Or in other words you are saying what is largely the Ron Paul platform.
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sweeny_comodore posted:
so you think higher pay will get more talent?
are you on fucking crack?
how much MORE do we have to pay for decent talent?
they should never make more than the average of the districts they come from.
and the president should be paid based on the national average.
if they want a raise, they can work at increasing the average pay (read: middle class).
What a stupid premise and a stupid idea.
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thats the best idea ive ever heard.
then they would have incentive to push the middle class higher.
a strong middle class would make a strong national economy.
without that incentive they are just greedy money grabbers and pawns of those with money.
how can you even think that giving them more money would do any good?
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So you think that politicians don't want to see their districts get richer enough? You think those from rich districts should get paid more than those from poor ones? You think that paying them less will produce better results?
Basically every assumption required to think this is a good idea is stupid.
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Go back to pre 9/11 standing. No DHS at all.
I don't know how much money it will save (if any) as they may have just reallocated alot of expenditures from other departments, but it will eliminate some of the 'freedom' issues and big brother complaints.
Once that's done, then you can start looking at CIA, NSA, FBI, ATF, etc. At least it will be one less department to complicate reconciling where the money is going, and it should also please the less-government advocates.
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Consolidation of various agencies into one umbrella agency is not necessarily a bad thing. It can be hard to save money right away and some times it doesn't work but there is no doubt that a lot of agencies should are all doing the same basic function.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/13/politics/obama-federal-government/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
It takes awhile to really remove the extra layers of management and make these agencies one agency but if that happens the capacity to leverage technology management increases so that efficiencies can be reached.
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Sgian_Dubh posted:
Altra_Shadowstalker posted:
Tipztoe posted:
why should people who don't fly have to pay for it?
Because its not in their interest for planes to fly into buildings?
The odds of me or anyone else being in one of these "buildings" is pretty damn slim.
That is not the proper response to fear mongering...
Please go back through citizen re-education and report back upon completion of your training.
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Sgian_Dubh posted:
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Tipztoe posted:
[quote=Altra_Shadowstalker]Why would you want to reburden the already-failing airliners with cumbersome security costs? Assuming the fed would set the security standards, it seems a bit much to put on the airliners.
why should people who don't fly have to pay for it?
Because its not in their interest for planes to fly into buildings?
The odds of me or anyone else being in one of these "buildings" is pretty damn slim.[/quote]
Well, that's only because one attack was successful.
What are the odds of you or anyone else being sent to some desert wasteland so you can piss on the corpse of a 16 year old before losing your legs in a roadside bomb because someone flew a plane into a building killing a bunch of period you never met? Or what are the odds of you losing your job or being unable to ascend your corporate ladder because the economy is so bad after the attack that it contributes to a global recession and plunges your country into $trillions of debt after invading that desert wasteland.
No thanks, I'd rather the free market weren't in charge of safeguarding a known security hole.
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