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VIDEO: NH poll workers shown handing out ballots in dead peoples’ names
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Unpossible! Libtards all swear no one ever votes illegally.
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Another James O'Keefe operation, lol.
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that's messed up, but it's the primaries, it's not like an actual election. I don't care enough either way, hah.
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Liberals are against any form of ID at voting booths so that its easier for them to steal elections
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Yeah, uhh...the whole point of dead people, convicts, illegals, or Diebold messing with the vote is to actually throw it in someone's favor. Unless they handed out tens of thousands of dead people's ballots, this sounds like a run-of-the-mill procedural error.
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Apparently there is some tiny number of people who can make it to a polling place that can't get themselves to a DMV to get ID. Libtards are terribly concerned that this will prevent them from voting and therefore it's better to have no controls whatsoever on who votes. And besides, no one in the history of this country has ever voted fraudulently so there's no reason to check anyways.
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They used the identity of folks who had died withing 10 days, so, their names hadn't been taken off the voting rolls, yet. I don't know how many times they tried it, but, they were caught at least once. A polling place guy knew they guy who had died. He called the police but the guy ran. As well he should, since what he did is a felony. The Federal prosecutor is looking into the situation. O'Keefe is already on probation, which would be revoked if he is convicted of voter fraud in this thing.
Not to mention this was a primary, which isn't nearly as closely watched as a real election is. For another, how many folks are going to risk a felony conviction in order to cast an illegal vote?
Oh, and something like 20 million adult Americans, mostly older folks, don't have picture ID. That's far from a small number. If requiring picture ID stops just 1% of them from voting, that's 200,000 lost votes. To prevent something that isn't happening.
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It's hilarious how Amerca still has a voting system that would be a shame in 3rd world country, must be because they hate democracy over there. 
And because some RWNs are skerred of big gubmint doing something undefined terrible if there would be a nation-wide ID system. Probably because they're criminals who want to jump from state to state during their "careers", wiping all traces of their previous activities.
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Nothing wrong with showing a little ID. The sorry set of excuses libs typically use for why this wouldnt work just doesnt cut it.
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in the video a lady said that her little check in her book was the security, once it it there that person had voted and cant again.
so if the real john doe shows up to vote after work but the fake john doe already voted early in the day what will happen?
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also they never said i am so and so, they just asked if they had a so and so and when they were asked about the address they replied with yes that's the one and were offered a ballet, the wording was very carefully chosen.
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I doubt that would stand up in court he is clearly trying to get the ballots and he took possession of them,I did notice he was careful in his wording but his intent is clear.He is also very well know for his creative editing.
I know here(Tx)and I assume everywhere it is illegal just to film in a polling place.
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also they never said i am so and so, they just asked if they had a so and so and when they were asked about the address they replied with yes that's the one and were offered a ballet, the wording was very carefully chosen.
Unless they had some legal experts consulted on the wording, I don't think a judge will appreciate how clever they thought they were being in their word choices.
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It's hilarious how Amerca still has a voting system that would be a shame in 3rd world country, must be because they hate democracy over there.
And because some RWNs are skerred of big gubmint doing something undefined terrible if there would be a nation-wide ID system. Probably because they're criminals who want to jump from state to state during their "careers", wiping all traces of their previous activities.
I hate to break this to you Hoss but it isn't the republicans who are shooting down a national ID.
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O'Keefe is the one committing election fraud. In a republican primary.
But somehow this is a liberal conspiracy because they asked for the names of democrats
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Federal law bans not only the casting of, but the “procurement†of ballots “that are known by the person to be materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent under the laws of the State in which the election is held.â€
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Well lets watch the liberals on the board attack the messenger.
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Apparently there is some tiny number of people who can make it to a polling place that can't get themselves to a DMV to get ID. Libtards are terribly concerned that this will prevent them from voting and therefore it's better to have no controls whatsoever on who votes. And besides, no one in the history of this country has ever voted fraudulently so there's no reason to check anyways.
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Libtards are terribly concerned that this will prevent them from voting
Those damn liberals. Always worrying about people being able to vote. How dare they!
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theredkay1 posted:
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Libtards are terribly concerned that this will prevent them from voting
Those damn liberals. Always worrying about people being able to walk in and pull the big (D) lever a hundred times each. How dare they!
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We really need a voter ID card.
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We really need a voter ID card.
We already have them in NY, and have for a long time. I thought it was standard stuff everyone had.
It isn't a picture ID, but it does have:
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IIRC, each serial number gets one vote, so you can't vote twice.
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I think it should be a picture ID. I wish we had something like that in MA. In my town you don't have to show ID at all. All you need to do is tell the old lady or old man your name and address. It's stupid.
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Liberals arn't against voter ID in principle. They're against voter ID bills that don't provide IDs to everyone. Republicans love voter ID bills that don't provide IDs to everyone, because they know it will help them win elections if they can keep those people from voting.
If people really think it's a big enough deal we should be able to provide a special voter ID card to every voter. If vote fraud isn't a big enough deal to do that it also isn't a big enough deal to disenfranchise a bunch of people over. Unless disenfranchising those people is the whole aim of the law.
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If people really think it's a big enough deal we should be able to provide a special voter ID card to every voter.
they should.
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(liberal on)
This is impossible. Obama himself said there was no need for and ID because there was no fraud. Obama is the president, he would not lie to us. The film had to be faked. Those were just actors and fake polling places. They all need to be in sent directly to jail. This such and outrage that the people involved need to be shut up for good.
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Its racist to want to stop Jose from voting 15 times by having an ID check.
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Its racist to want to stop Jose from voting 15 times by having an ID check.
Jose would just get 15 fake IDs!
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Its racist to want to stop Jose from voting 15 times by having an ID check.
Jose would just get 15 fake IDs!
No kidding.
If voter ID matters we can provide voter ID cards. If we can't be bothered to provide voter ID cards we clearly don't really care about voter ID very much.
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Libtards are terribly concerned that this will prevent them from voting
Those damn liberals. Always worrying about people being able to vote. How dare they!
OUTRAGE!! Stop worrying about people being able to vote!
You guys are comical. In a 'squirrel gets whacked in the head by a rat trap' kind of way.
The story goes away if you direct a very small amount of funding to provide ID cards. You can create a better system that doesnt disenfranchise people and reduces the opportunity for voting fraud. One party seems to be almost universally against this though. Wonder why that is.
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The story goes away if you direct a very small amount of funding to provide ID cards. You can create a better system that doesnt disenfranchise people and reduces the opportunity for voting fraud.
This is exactly what should happen.
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[quote=paulg_68]Libtards are terribly concerned that this will prevent them from voting
Those damn liberals. Always worrying about people being able to vote. How dare they!
OUTRAGE!! Stop worrying about people being able to vote!
You guys are comical. In a 'squirrel gets whacked in the head by a rat trap' kind of way.
The story goes away if you direct a very small amount of funding to provide ID cards. You can create a better system that doesnt disenfranchise people and reduces the opportunity for voting fraud. One party seems to be almost universally against this though. Wonder why that is.[/quote]
Actually, you guys are comical. It's hilarious how your "NO U!" reflex has led you to this circular nonsense. Just a few days ago I was advocating photo ID cards in a different thread on this board. There are non-driver's photo ID cards that can be obtained in PA for example for $13.50, you just have to go to your DMV - and I'm not sure but I'd bet that similar things exist in all the other states. I think that you can have the fees waived too if it presents a legitimate financial hardship.
The whole concept should be handled by the DMV in states - if that requires more resources being committed to the DMV then so be it.
Yes you can fake identification papers and get fake driver's licenses but that generally takes some pretty nefarious activity and would be extremely low in actual occurrence anyway such that it wouldn't be a factor. If it's an issue handling your party affiliation and wanting to change that more frequently than you renew your photo ID, then just keep on handling that the same way you handle it now, no changes to that system needed.
I fail to understand why this is such a big problem.
Further, the argument is a joke - voter turnout is pathetic in this country, so I'd welcome anything that would get more people out voting - but voting legally.
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The are plenty of people living in smaller towns who just need to walk down the street to get to their polling place, but the nearest DMV is over an hour away by car.
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The are plenty of people living in smaller towns who just need to walk down the street to get to their polling place, but the nearest DMV is over an hour away by car.
I'd support a program to provide public bus transportation to them to go and get their photo IDs if they somehow can't get to the DMV to renew their DL photos every however many years they have to do so...
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The are plenty of people living in smaller towns who just need to walk down the street to get to their polling place, but the nearest DMV is over an hour away by car.
Life is a bitch sometimes. Call a cab. How many people are we talking about? Provide transportation?
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I fail to understand why this is such a big problem.
Do you support a poll tax? The requirement that in order to vote you must fork over some cash?
I dont think thats a good idea and I dont think thats constitutional. You seem to be in favor of this, although you may not have thought of it this way.
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I fail to understand why this is such a big problem.
Do you support a poll tax? The requirement that in order to vote you must fork over some cash?
I dont think thats a good idea and I dont think thats constitutional. You seem to be in favor of this, although you may not have thought of it this way.
Well I support legal voting. There will be administrative costs associated with obtaining IDs to do so. If we have funding from elsewhere - then great, non-driving photo-IDs could be free.
As an example, I just googled the duration of non-driver's ID's and a link to a document from New York came up as the first hit.
http://www.mfy.org/wp-content/uploads/facts/IDCards-Non-Drivers.pdf
In NY, you can get a photo ID that lasts for 4-5 years for a fee of $10, and a long term one that lasts for 8-9 years for $14. There are also provisions for SSI recipients and senior citizens getting discounts to the fees.
So yes, I support a tax that amounts to a fee on the order of less than $2 a year which may be discounted or waived if you can prove financial hardship. It costs more than that to drive to a polling place for many Americans.
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If we don't care enough about voter fraud to supply voters with free voting ID cards we obviously don't care much about voter fraud.
A lot of the right's hard-on for "voter ID" is really just political calculation. They know that lazy people who may be unlikely to go out of their way to get an ID so they can vote, especially if it costs them money, are more likely to vote for Dems. People like Paul cheer anything that makes it harder for these people to vote.
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If we don't care enough about voter fraud to supply voters with free voting ID cards we obviously don't care much about voter fraud.
A lot of the right's hard-on for "voter ID" is really just political calculation. They know that lazy people who may be unlikely to go out of their way to get an ID so they can vote, especially if it costs them money, are more likely to vote for Dems. People like Paul cheer anything that makes it harder for these people to vote.
Everyone knows this about the (D)em base, though I'm not really sure why this is still a problem.
Again, I'd support waiving the fees. A great deal of people would already have a driver's license anyway and pay that fee.
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The other thing about voting fraud that is so odd is that if we really cared about voting fraud as a nation we wouldn't let 95% of our polling stations be run by random clueless old people who probably can't even count to 10 without forgetting what number they are on.
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The other thing about voting fraud that is so odd is that if we really cared about voting fraud as a nation we wouldn't let 95% of our polling stations be run by random clueless old people who probably can't even count to 10 without forgetting what number they are on.
You've got a point there.
I'm pretty sure that there is some absurd government waste and/or so-called campaign contributions that could be redirected to shore up the whole process quite a bit without raising taxes on the whole nation.
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There will always be excuses. You have to start somewhere.
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There will always be excuses. You have to start somewhere.
Somewhere like the Constitution which has been amended to say voting can't have any "poll taxes".
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Use the ID for other things and tada it's no longer a polling tax See how easy that was?
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Use the ID for other things and tada it's no longer a polling tax See how easy that was?
Yes, I see how easy it is.
It's easy because it doesn't work. No polling tax means no polling tax.
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Then change it. Again.. see how easy that was. Do I have to solve ALL our problems? Or we use tax dollars and pay for it. FREE IDs TO ALL!! 
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Or we use tax dollars and pay for it. FREE IDs TO ALL!!
Opposition to voter ID laws would go away if Republicans were willing to supply free IDs.
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Or the 24th Amendment is repealed.
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I don't care about the republicans.. or dems for that matter. Thats your problem not mine.
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I don't care about the republicans.. or dems for that matter. Thats your problem not mine.
It's not really my problem either, is it?
Just stating facts. We could get national voter ID passed next week if we were willing to pay for it. I am. It sounds like you are. Lots of politicians arn't, though.
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Yup I am.. said it three times now in this thread alone 
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Indiana imposed a voter ID requirement a few years back. It was taken to the Supreme Court. Indiana could show absolutely no examples of voter fraud in its history and there was plenty of evidence given that indicated this would cut down on the number of perfectly legitimate voters. The right wing Supreme Court said...so what.
The Attorneys-General scandal back in the Bush days was, to a large extent, over Republican efforts to suppress voting. Attorneys-General were fired because they refused to make up voter fraud cases.
If voter fraud that could be fixed by picture IDs was actually a problem, and, if, as mentioned above, everyone was provided with free voter ID, I wouldn't have a problem with this.
However, neither is true.
<edit> This is the procedure for getting a ballot in NH. I'm not sure if the primaries require the same procedure...
1.A voter shall announce their name to the Ballot Clerk.
2.The Ballot Clerk shall repeat the name loud enough for the voter and any challengers to hear.
3.The Ballot Clerk shall search for the voter’s name on the checklist.
4.If the Ballot Clerk finds the voter’s name on the checklist, the ballot clerk shall put a checkmark next to the voter’s name, and again, repeat the voter’s name.
5.The Ballot Clerk shall state the voter’s address.
6.If the voter’s address has changed and is still within the town or ward, the Ballot Clerks shall change the address in red on the paper checklist.
7.The voter should confirm the name and address with the Ballot Clerk.
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So charge $2 more for DL, $2 more for registration and make Photo ID cards free.
I you can't be bothered to get an ID, don't vote, take some responsibility for yourself.
It is your right to vote, no one will make you participate however.
In any case what will you do when you go to vote and discover someone else had beaten you to it?
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Personally, I don't worry about things that have such a small chance of happening. It's no way to live. Who wants to walk around in a panic worrying that they'll get struck by lightning? Or get drowned by a rogue wave?
If someone has voted in my name, I'll burn that bridge when I get to it
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We need a national picture ID.
We really don't.
People just need to go to their DMV and get a non-driver's photo ID if they don't have a driver's license.
If there are legit reasons for why some people can't get to a DMV, then a mobile DMV annex should be set up and should drive around to remote areas like the Bookmobile - carrying all the necessary equipment to create IDs and with the authority to address issues with peoples' actual documents and so forth.
It's not exactly difficult to figure out how to handle it. Again, there's no need for a "national voter ID" - the states are perfectly well set up to handle issuing photo-IDs to all their adult residents. If paying $14 every 9 years is a financial burden for people, then the fees can be waived with simplicity, who gives a siht - I'm willing to pick up the tab for the next 5 people in my town who legitemately can't afford $14 every 9 years.
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Voter registration should be allowed at every poll on election day.Issue the id's there.
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Voter registration should be allowed at every poll on election day.Issue the id's there.
The point is that in order to obtain a state issued ID, you have to have legit identification papers. The state has ways to handle things for people who, for whatever reason, never got a birth certificate or whatnot - voter registration personnel don't.
Seriously, you can't be raising a beef about $14/9 years that can also be waived or reduced depending on your financial situation. Why do you dislike having people go to the DMV and using the resources they have to ascertain the truth of a person's identity?
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Voter registration should be allowed at every poll on election day.Issue the id's there.
That works too!
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Voter registration should be allowed at every poll on election day.Issue the id's there.
The point is that in order to obtain a state issued ID, you have to have legit identification papers. The state has ways to handle things for people who, for whatever reason, never got a birth certificate or whatnot - voter registration personnel don't.
Seriously, you can't be raising a beef about $14/9 years that can also be waived or reduced depending on your financial situation. Why do you dislike having people go to the DMV and using the resources they have to ascertain the truth of a person's identity?
I'm fine with requiring ID provided that it is free. The 24th Amendment does not say 'no polling tax if you can't afford it', it says 'no polling tax'. I don't really care how you do it, but the ID that is required should not cost any citizen a red cent. Increase fees on privileges, reduce pay for the governor, do whatever it is you need to do to offset the costs, but the Id itself has to be free - for everyone. I would also stipulate that ID is the ONLY id that can be used for voting.
Voting is a basic right and should be inclusive, not exclusive. I don't believe in disenfranchisement. So my comment was just an idea of how to make it more inclusive. Why limit it to the Dmv? If a citizen can prove they are who they are, issue the voter id's and registrations on the spot, the day of the election in addition to putting them at the dmv, in the mall, etc, etc.
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Voter registration should be allowed at every poll on election day.Issue the id's there.
The point is that in order to obtain a state issued ID, you have to have legit identification papers. The state has ways to handle things for people who, for whatever reason, never got a birth certificate or whatnot - voter registration personnel don't.
Seriously, you can't be raising a beef about $14/9 years that can also be waived or reduced depending on your financial situation. Why do you dislike having people go to the DMV and using the resources they have to ascertain the truth of a person's identity?
I'm fine with requiring ID provided that it is free. The 24th Amendment does not say 'no polling tax if you can't afford it', it says 'no polling tax'. I don't really care how you do it, but the ID that is required should not cost any citizen a red cent. Increase fees on privileges, reduce pay for the governor, do whatever it is you need to do to offset the costs, but the Id itself has to be free - for everyone. I would also stipulate that ID is the ONLY id that can be used for voting.
Voting is a basic right and should be inclusive, not exclusive. I don't believe in disenfranchisement. So my comment was just an idea of how to make it more inclusive. Why limit it to the Dmv? If a citizen can prove they are who they are, issue the voter id's and registrations on the spot, the day of the election in addition to putting them at the dmv, in the mall, etc, etc.
OK that's fine. However, it's issued only to those who have no other valid state issued photo ID such as a driver's license or passport. It also will be done via the DMV. There's no need to create a whole other agency to handle this, and for the tiny number of people who for whatever reason can't get to a DMV, I'd support funding for busing them to one, or for having a "mobile DMV" office come to their town - probably cheaper to bus them rather than bring mobile DMV annexes to them.
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So you're fine with it as long as you can institute a polling tax at the polls
Birth certificate, piece of mail, social security card is all that should ever be needed to get a voter registration card\id anywhere.
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So you're fine with it as long as you can institute a polling tax at the polls
Why am I implementing a polling tax?
I'm trying to establish a way to make sure people have legitimate IDs. Their driver's license could be used for this, so could their passport. lacking these or any other legit, state issued photo, ID they could get one for free.
This isn't rocket science dude - there's no gotcha, and there's no poll tax. In truth, the fact is that it's ALL a poll tax because the nation already pays for it in the form of the other taxes used to administer the DMV. Of course the Dem base is not only too fkn lazy to go get an ID but also need to freeload some more... that's fine, but they're going to have to drag their own lazy asses out to the polls to actually vote 
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You are going to have to start handing out drivers licenses for free then, otherwise it's a poll tax.
See my comment above about documentation. If you bring those three things with you to the poll, that's all you should need to get a voter id and register.
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Ok, but you are going to have to start handing out drivers licenses for free then.
See my comment above about documentation. If you bring those three things with you to the poll, that's all you should need to get a voter id and register.
No, that's ass backwards thinking. Driver's licenses and passports are already acquired for other reasons and used for other reasons. The fact that they ALSO can be used to identify their holder for the sake of voter registration does not mean that they should suddenly be free. That's fkn ghetto 16th generation welfare thinking if I ever heard it dude.
Regarding the IDs, that's fine and yes I believe that's all that are required to get a driver's license and/or any other state-issued photo ID.
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I'll try putting this a different way.
Voter Id's are now required to vote. Everyone is required to present them to vote. One form of ID for everyone.
To get a voter id, you must present your bc, your ss card and a piece of mail to prove you are who you say you are and live in the right area. If you have a current DL, that could also be used as a form of residency proof. Passports are irrelevant.
The DMV handles this, but is available in many more places then just the DMV and available at every poll station on election day.
Were I to support a voter id act, it would look like this.
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Taliesihne posted:
I'll try putting this a different way.
Voter Id's are now required to vote. Everyone is required to present them to vote. One form of ID for everyone.
To get a voter id, you must present your bc, your ss card and a piece of mail to prove you are who you say you are and live in the right area.
The DMV handles this, but is available in many more places then just the DMV and available at every poll station on election day.
Were I to support a voter id act, it would look like this.
Seriously dude? You want to create a whole additional DMV?
A state issued photo ID is plenty to prove identity. If that's a driver's license it will have your address. If it's a passport, you need some sort of utility bill for your address. If you have no other state issued photo ID, then you can get a photo ID from your local DMV "free", with the usual requirements for getting that ID in terms of proving who you are. That ID will include your address, and if you need address updates because you move, you can get those for free.
There, done, solved, no additional government agency created, simple.
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I'm not advocating a new agency. I'm saying the DMV needs to step up it's availability to the public and be in more places.
And no, I don't think poll workers should have to hassle with different id's. One voter id for everyone. It's more secure - poll workers can just scan the cards to verify they are real and voila, you are off to voting. That means even us well to do white folk have to go to the DMV or the Poll and get a new ID only for voting. Kinda funny how you are suddenly against having to get a voter id yourself.
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Corruption is why democrats are against voter ID
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Hell, with a standardized voter id system, you could do away with traditional polls. Just have voting machines set up everywhere that require the magstripe from your voter id to activate.
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I'm not advocating a new agency. I'm saying the DMV needs to step up it's availability to the public and be in more places.
And no, I don't think poll workers should have to hassle with different id's. One voter id for everyone. It's more secure - poll workers can just scan the cards to verify they are real and voila, you are off to voting. That means even us well to do white folk have to go to the DMV or the Poll and get a new ID only for voting. Kinda funny how you are suddenly against having to get a voter id yourself.
From the department of redundancy department?
I'm against your stupid troll that you're throwing out there because you think the whole concept is about disenfranchising brown people and in reality aren't willing to admit that all these excuses for not having ID are just a sham to work the system.
No, we don't ALL need to have a separate ID for voting, there are three acceptable ones - a state issued driver's license, a valid US passport, or a non-driver photo ID (which looks just like a fkn driver's license FYI).
For the record, I actually bother to go and get my driver's license renewed, so I've already spent the time and effort doing it AND I've paid for it, unlike what I'd be asking those who have no other ID to do, so no I won't make another trip to the DMV to do it because it's not necessary.
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Hell, with a standardized voter id system, you could do away with traditional polls. Just have voting machines set up everywhere that require the magstripe from your voter id to activate.
LOL yah right - and you'd have people going around neighborhoods and collecting everyone's ID cards and driving to the poll machine to cast all of their votes for whoever they wanted.
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So in other words, you are for voter id's for other people, just not for yourself.
Here in Va we vote with registration cards. They have to be renewed. I do this regularly.
I'm simply suggesting we update the process to a modern 'smart card' that could easily be scanned at polling places to verify it's authenticity. That way you don't have poll workers arbitrarily deciding what is good id and bad id. One id for everyone. No more fraud, streamlined voting process.
Not sure why you think this is a troll. But your absolute inflexibility to do anything personally different is pretty humorous.
LOL yah right - and you'd have people going around neighborhoods and collecting everyone's ID cards and driving to the poll machine to cast all of their votes for whoever they wanted.
Technology solves this problem pretty easily. You sound like the guy who doubted ATM's would work.
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What kind of person doesnt have any form of ID? Is this the core democrat voter?
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What kind of person doesn't have any form of ID?
Exactly.
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It's not that hard to make this work.
Go to DMV. Most of them do motor-voter registration now anyway.
Apply for ID card/voter registration combo. It's free, looks like a DL, never expires. Provide your proof of identity and residence.
Now you can use this for ID everywhere, including the polling place.
If you lose it, pay a nominal replacement fee. If you need to update it (sex change, new last name, etc), that should probably be free.
Then show it to vote.
For an actual DL, just issue a second card with an expiration and such.
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I bet the democrats go and get busses full of homeless and bribe them to vote for the candidate of their choice. THat or a buss full of inner city ultra poor people who dont even know what day to vote or how to get the the voting booths.
Its corruption democrats are protecting. Require ID and then the democrats can help those people GET IDS and then vote. Simple
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I'm not sure how you can say that with a straight face in a thread about republican election fraud Bonk.
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The ID whines from Democrats is pure horsehsit. (And for the record I am against a national ID requirement) To get a non driver ID in New York state it is a max of $14 in fees and lasts 8 to 9 years before you have to renew.
The cost is not the issue here. The issue is hysteria or politics.
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Democrats wont help these people get IDs. Instead they use and abuse them to get their candidate in office. I wonder what under the table bribes they give those people
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So in other words, you are for voter id's for other people, just not for yourself.
Here in Va we vote with registration cards. They have to be renewed. I do this regularly.
I'm simply suggesting we update the process to a modern 'smart card' that could easily be scanned at polling places to verify it's authenticity. That way you don't have poll workers arbitrarily deciding what is good id and bad id. One id for everyone. No more fraud, streamlined voting process.
Not sure why you think this is a troll. But your absolute inflexibility to do anything personally different is pretty humorous.
LOL yah right - and you'd have people going around neighborhoods and collecting everyone's ID cards and driving to the poll machine to cast all of their votes for whoever they wanted.
Technology solves this problem pretty easily. You sound like the guy who doubted ATM's would work.
I do all of this regularly too. The point is I've already done it. Is it so much to ask that others go through the same process to prove their own identity?
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I'm not sure why you should be granted unique flower status. And you are already doing it, you would just be getting a different id to use.
One id at the polling station. For everyone. It's fair. It's American 
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The ID whines from Democrats is pure horsehsit. (And for the record I am against a national ID requirement) To get a non driver ID in New York state it is a max of $14 in fees and lasts 8 to 9 years before you have to renew.
The cost is not the issue here. The issue is hysteria or politics.
The issue is that the Dems know that much of their base won't be assed to vote if it gets any more "challenging". Of course the repubs know this too. So the Repubs push for voters to be required to identify themselves properly. Meanwhile the Dems push back and make up bullsiht excuses for why their base shouldn't have to identify themselves. The Repubs make up horror stories about voter fraud, exaggerating things and fabricating things (and voter fraud still does happen - on both sides of the fence). Meanwhile the Dems make up some bullsiht excuse about how they're just looking out for peoples' rights when the truth is they're just worried their base won't show the fk up to vote because they know that half their base wouldn't even show up at the fkn welfare office if they could get paid any other way.
It's a big joke of stupidity, but the bottom line is that I think a state issued photo ID should be required to vote, period. As long as you have one of those, you can register to vote. If you don't, you can't, period, GTFO. If you're Amish and feel like the camera will steal your soul then so be it, but we'll handle that issue the same way we handle licensing Amish drivers.
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I feel like I've got some real traction here with my stupid troll about making everyone do double the work so the Dem base won't feel too bad about just proving their identity, but the reality is that I'm so far down the rabbit hole thinking I'm trolling everyone in my cleverness that I've actually lost track of what is rational and logical.
Yeah I know dude. You get frothy like this, take a few deep breaths and try to recover a little bit of rationality.
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Meanwhile the Dems make up some bullsiht excuse about how they're just looking out for peoples' rights when the truth is they're just worried their base won't show the fk up to vote because they know that half their base wouldn't even show up at the fkn welfare office if they could get paid any other way.
The really ironic part here is that to get welfare, you have to get ID, and some of them even require finger printing.
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The democrats must load up busses full of homeless people and give the a free meal and more!
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I think it's hilarious that Dems have to prove who they are but we are just supposed to take you at your word
Voter ID requirements should be universal. One card for everyone. It's the American way.
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The cost is not the issue here.
It is if you actually read the Constitution and actually follow it.
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It makes sense you have to show some form of ID to vote. What kind of mad world do we live in?
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I make this sound when I type on the Outpost: lerdl lerdl lerdl lerdl lerdl lerdl
Yeah we know dude.
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Ashmaele posted:
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The cost is not the issue here.
It is if you actually read the Constitution and actually follow it.
Show me where in the constitution it is for the social redistribution of private property.
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Voter ID laws for me are an outrage, but they are fine for black people
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Show me where in the constitution it is for the social redistribution of private property.
Show me the passages of the constitution that pertain to economic rights.
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I've got a valid state issued photo ID and have no problem proving who I am in order to register to vote.
I don't want my base to have to do that because I want Shaneequa and Shanene to be able to vote 100 times each along with all the other people that get bussed from Reverend Johnston's church 2 days before the actual voting starts so that they CAN vote 100 times each while other members of Reverend Johnston's congregation are actually "watching" the polling booths.
Yeah we know dude.
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I don't want my base to have to do that because I want Shaneequa and Shanene to be able to vote 100 times each along with all the other people that get bussed from Reverend Johnston's church 2 days before the actual voting starts so that they CAN vote 100 times each while other members of Reverend Johnston's congregation are actually "watching" the polling booths.
Awesome.
Thanks for complying. 
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Make sure you dash off a quick PM to Groucho before you head out for the night so he can get in here and fabricate some more excuses to cover up for why Dems want to commit voter fraud.
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Black Dems.
Named Shaneequa and Shanene that go to Reverend Johnston's church.
You forgot that part this time.
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Black Dems.
Named Shaneequa and Shanene that go to Reverend Johnston's church.
You forgot that part this time.
You brought up race.
It's sad that race is like 100% of the motivation for you libtards. Race blinds you. You cannot get beyond it. It's holding your party back.
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Taliesihne posted:
I showed you where the mud was.
You dove in headfirst and started to root.
I posted that to point out and ridicule your and all the rest of libtards' racist paranoia. For you clowns, everything is always about race. You can see nothing but the color of peoples' skin and every issue for you is drawn along those lines. You have defined your lives so thoroughly by the issue of skin color that you either fail to see the racism in yourselves or accuse everyone ELSE of it in order to assuage your own guilt over it.
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Riiighht.You meant to sound like a member of the Klan as parody. To show us libtards our faces in the mirror!
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Taliesihne posted:
Riiighht.You meant to sound like a member of the Klan as parody. To show us libtards our faces in the mirror!
Like I said. You can't put race out of your thinking. Every single issue is defined by race for you. It's sad, and it holds the country back.
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No, lack of voter id's is holding the country back.
Try to keep up.
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Shouldn't it be ?
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Cawlin posted:
Like I said. You can't put race out of your thinking. Every single issue is defined by race for you. It's sad, and it holds the country back.
I don't buy that it is really about race for them. In my observations it is about political power through various tools no matter how deceitful or vile those tools are. Cultural Marxism is a political tool to divide, fracture and mentally enslave people if you allow it to. The real question is who are the people who promote these tools, I think that when you take a look for who are the main promoters, you will find it generally leads back to a particular group who are extremely adept & powerful at promulgating their tactics.
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All this /outrage over a non-problem. Fraud that can be stopped by picture IDs is virtually non-existent. It's a solution to a problem that does not exist.
Oregon, for example, has vote by mail. No picture ID at all. Surely, surely, if voter fraud was a problem, a place like Oregon would be rife with it. But...
Oregonians have many good reasons to be proud of our election system.
Our voter turnout is among the highest in the country. Our vote-by-mail system is admired throughout the United States and around the world. It’s convenient and enjoys wide popular support in the state. Most importantly, it’s secure.
Despite these successes, I hear concerns about the safety of our system. Some people still fear that the it’s rife with fraud, including illegal immigrants registering and voting or thousands of deceased Oregonians still on the voter rolls and receiving ballots.
I listen carefully to these concerns, but the fact of the matter is they’re wrong. Fraud is extremely rare in Oregon and when it happens, we take it very, very seriously. Oregonians have cast more than 15 million ballots by mail since 2000. In that time, we have investigated thousands of fraud complaints, including examples of those mentioned above.
Those thousands of investigations resulted in nine prosecutions. We’ve issued fines and jail terms and seen deportations. But nine prosecutions out of thousands of investigations tells us we’re not looking at systemic voter fraud. Most complaints are well intentioned but unfounded.
Read more: http://democratherald.com/news/opinion/editorial/article_a3a58f66-548b-11df-ac8e-001cc4c002e0.html#ixzz1jK3ZbWO7
The argument that people who are too lazy to go through the rigmarole of getting a picture ID don't deserve to vote is a specious one. For one thing, it is unconstitutional. For another, a lot of these folks are old and/or ill and/or handicapped. They should be applauded for making the effort to vote. Instead, Republicans are putting up barricade after barricade to make it harder. And Outpost sheep are following them faithfully.
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