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The outrage by the chain of command is puzzling. If the guy I'm pissing on just killed one of my platoon members, I'm sorry, I just forgot my manners. Futz them.
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So if the former administration took castigation for Abu Gharib, does the current administration get castigation for this or is it summarily dismissed as an "isolated incident"?
Just want to know what the Big Government Sycophant marching orders are this week.
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dead people don't care..
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Just want to know what the Big Government Sycophant marching orders are this week.
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So if the former administration took castigation for Abu Gharib, does the current administration get castigation for this or is it summarily dismissed as an "isolated incident"?
Just want to know what the Big Government Sycophant marching orders are this week.
That fact that you even connect the two shows how faulty your mental synapses are. I bet you sucked at "which one of these things belongs with the other" on Sesame Street.
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Neither of the prison incident or this incident have anything to do with either administration. Though the media might spin differently, depending on what channel you watch.
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Incorrect. Abu Gharib can be taken up the chain of command quite a ways. Since Bush and Cheney tried to redefine torture, teh Genva Convention AND the Constitution I would say you can take it all the way to the top.
Nobody in the chain of command said "Whip it out and whiz Soldier!"
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Torturing prisoners and pissing on a dead enemy are two different things as Nnanji pointed out. I will kill you in battle. But I wont torture you in custody. War is futzed up. It is truly hell.
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Doing it is one thing, filming it and putting it on youtube is another.
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Funny, in the other thread with the squirell, modeeb felt it was difficult to watch. But killing someone and then enjoying it by pissing on the dead human and making a video to watch it again is legitimate? Messed up values.
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Funny, in the other thread with the squirell, modeeb felt it was difficult to watch. But killing someone and then enjoying it by pissing on the dead human and making a video to watch it again is legitimate? Messed up values.
You underestimate modeeb's hatred for america and his fellow countrymen.
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I like Modeeb even though he hates America
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It sounds like Modeeb hates Afghanis.
I didn't click the link, but it's a dead terrorist, not American, right?
BTW, if you ever heard of the prison experiment at Berkley, where they took volunteers to be prisoners and prison guards... the guy who ran that experiment basically says that the system allowed the incident to happen. The CIA were putting a lot of pressure (and were in turned pressured) to get intel from the captives over there, and these guards were basically left over there without any supervision. His experiment at Berkley showed that it is simply human nature that took over at Abu Gharib. I wouldn't remove the blame from the guards there, but I would place some on those in charge of the guards, and maybe even all the way up the administration.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html
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it is quite funny that the whole shooting bullets through a living person part was ok but putting some pee on the dead body is "ZOMG animals!"
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Respect for the dead, even when your enemy is the mark of a civilized humanity. Supposedly we buried Bin Laden at sea because as we were told, that was the most respectful way the officials claimed to be able to handle his remains. If that counted for a guy was claimed to be the mastermind of Jihadist terrorism, then why would you stoop to a lower rung for some poor sap fighting for his country or belief system.
Its really simple, if that was done to our guys remains, we would be outraged and driven to vengeful thoughts & motivations.
See where this is going yet?
Oh and one more thing. Even the homeless in our country have access to better life than those people do. Think about that for a while.
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That's disgusting Aerli, I actually agree with you.
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dead bodies are no longer humans. they deserve as much respect as the shit you flush down the toilet every day does.
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Then respect them for the living who do care.
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Going to be a nice new recruitment video for the terrorists.
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Oh I get the respect for the dead thing
Just when you really think about it, the things we (people) do are pretty funny
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The outrage by the chain of command is puzzling. If the guy I'm pissing on just killed one of my platoon members, I'm sorry, I just forgot my manners. Futz them.
As someone with a military background, there are these rules called the Code of Conduct that you are trained not to violate
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The outrage by the chain of command is puzzling. If the guy I'm pissing on just killed one of my platoon members, I'm sorry, I just forgot my manners. Futz them.
As someone with a military background, there are these rules called the Code of Conduct that you are trained not to violate
As someone with a military background, one of those rules is "don't take pictures of other soldiers doing stupid stuff"
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I get the respect for your enemy thing. I also get the respect for abnormal behavior behavior before, during and after battle for everyone. We humans don't have a switch where we get to turn the madness off instantly. We are in an altered mental state. I admire and strive for Hemingways: Grace under fire. But, achieving it is situation dependent.
The idiot , who memorialized the whole event, is one reason I never did well in the military. Some of the dumbest muther futzers ever to walk the planet are in the military.
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Semper Pee?
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Odd thread. 
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For me it's not so much about what they do to the dead people. They're dead and don't care. It's about what the actions say about the people doing the peeing. Killing other human beings is an extremely serious thing and it obviously wasn't for these guys.
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Maybe they just really had to go. We should wait for the whole story!
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dead bodies are no longer humans. they deserve as much respect as the shit you flush down the toilet every day does.
not 24 hours ago you said, OOOOHHHH LOOK AT THE POOR SQUIRREL IN PAIN FROM THE MOUSE TRAP ~!~!!!!!!!
but you think its cool to, wait, this isn't war, this is murder, a brown man and then shit on him ?
LISTEN FUCKTARD, YOU ARE FUCKED IN THE HEAD, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ? YOU HAVE A MESSED UP MIND AND A WRONG SENSE OF PRIORITIES.
fuckin dumb motherfucker
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Uh not to defend the ACF moron but there is a difference between wanton cruelty to the living and defacing the dead.
They're both bad, but for different reasons.
Also, where are you from?
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Uh not to defend the ACF moron but there is a difference between wanton cruelty to the living and defacing the dead.
They're both bad, but for different reasons.
Also, where are you from?
none of your fucking business
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i wonder if any of the marines rape the dead bodies too?
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i wonder if any of the marines rape the dead bodies too?
well, if they did, that would be proof that they are depraved animals from a society that encourages a lack of humanity,conscience and a callous barbaric racism wouldn't it ?
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This is not about what color these people were when they were killed. They happen to be middle eastern. They could have been yellow, white, black, red or any color people. I'm defending insanity in an insane theater of war. It happens. I find it absurd to judge these men for their actions. I used myself as an example. Really, you do not know how you will react or what you will do, until you are placed in these circumstances. You may piss your pants during the fight and not have to piss.
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Also, where are you from?
You are going to make him meltdown and cry Yuki.
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My prediction is that we're going to look at something like this in five years as if it were nothing in comparison to what has happened since.
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Oral_Butthurt is one of those simpletons that think swearing is cool.
Which usually means he's about 13-14 years old and has not been potty trained yet.
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Also, where are you from?
You are going to make him meltdown and cry Yuki.
He certainly seemed /affected in his last response.
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Also, where are you from?
You are going to make him meltdown and cry Yuki.
He certainly seemed /affected in his last response.
affected ?
nothing you can say can affect me you stupid cunt
are you sure you passed the lawyer exam ?
I am having a hard time believing it.
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Also, where are you from?
You are going to make him meltdown and cry Yuki.
haha, you think its that easy you dumb motherfucker ?
must be more inbred than I thought !
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Oral_Butthurt is one of those simpletons that think swearing is cool.
Which usually means he's about 13-14 years old and has not been potty trained yet.
i havent been potty trained yet, but I am learning my 7th chord !
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For me it's not so much about what they do to the dead people. They're dead and don't care. It's about what the actions say about the people doing the peeing. Killing other human beings is an extremely serious thing and it obviously wasn't for these guys.
You can't normalize killing for human beings by making it one of their daily duties at work then expect them to be all solemn about it. There is nothing wrong or unusual about dehumanizing your enemy. it is an obvious byproduct of war. If you don't like it become a pacifist. but don't be mad at the people fighting your battles for you because they become what most humans who war become.
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so its ok to shoot a 15yo kid for being stupid but its not ok to piss on a dead terrorist whos been killing americans?
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They were protecting and serving Amerca!!
Good people, doing things for a greter purpose, a just cause.
In the name of God.
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Those troopers are there fighting a war because they were given orders to do it. When you are there absurdity and chaos attack you , with the enemy, on a daily basis. Something happens, something extraordinary. Over time, this has a deadly effect. Now , you can pause and choose the way you think in any situation (e.g. imagine yourself in a Nazi death camp and being faced with life or death choices constantly). It takes some time and training to cultivate thinking for yourself. However, thinking for yourself is not what soldiers are taught. They are taught to obey orders, to pull the trigger. Pulling the trigger puts you into a different world. You cannot judge these soldiers by the standards of the world you live in. Which is worse: Pulling the trigger and ending the life of someone or pissing on them after they are dead? The pissing part is an insane ritual which bonds the troops together, the guys in the frigging ditch-not the guys playing chess in a war room with the lives of the soldiers.
My recommendation: Get out of the military gracefully. It's a thankless mad job. You will end up in a bar reminiscing about the crazy old days with other guys who have post traumatic stress.
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If nothing else what they did was against military law, the really stupid thing was putting it online, is Youtube making people dumber?
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Oral_Butthurt is in permanent /meltdown mode. I haven't seen someone like him on the Outpost in awhile. I mean he isn't unique since he is just copying others, but the comedy he is is entertaining.
I mean look how easy it is to get him to start frothing at the mouth and start swearing like a 12 year old that just learned a few naughty words.
I still think he is Dae_Twats retarded alt, but that is debatable.
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The outrage by the chain of command is puzzling. If the guy I'm pissing on just killed one of my platoon members, I'm sorry, I just forgot my manners. Futz them.
I can understand it,it could infuriate people in the country your in that weren't "the enemy" , reduce support for you being there and increase support for the enemy all of which puts our soldiers safety and our overall mission at greater risk.It isn't so much about the actual act as it is about the image it presents.IMO it is in their best interest to act outraged.
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I'm not saying that Marines are trained to kill the enemy and piss on their dead bodies, but I'm not saying they're trained not to either. Maybe they are now, I dunno. You have to understand these young men and women go through a transformation mentally from some puke off the street into the most aggressive and lethal killing machine in the world, no remorse, no hesitation, no buyers regret. They want to eat your face by the time they find a combat zone.
Pissing on a dead Taliban pales in comparison to what those animals do on a daily basis anyway. If you've talked to anyone who has served over there I'm sure they can tell you some heartwarming stories about Taliban compassion and things like Sharia law.
I guarantee that worse has happened over there. These idiots just filmed it and put it on the internet. Calm down.
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GrilledCheez posted:
Yukishiro1 posted:
For me it's not so much about what they do to the dead people. They're dead and don't care. It's about what the actions say about the people doing the peeing. Killing other human beings is an extremely serious thing and it obviously wasn't for these guys.
You can't normalize killing for human beings by making it one of their daily duties at work then expect them to be all solemn about it. There is nothing wrong or unusual about dehumanizing your enemy. it is an obvious byproduct of war. If you don't like it become a pacifist. but don't be mad at the people fighting your battles for you because they become what most humans who war become.
I am pretty much a pacifist. But your dichotomy is stupid. Plenty of people go to war and don't feel like killing another human being is meaningless or fun.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
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Yukishiro1 posted:
For me it's not so much about what they do to the dead people. They're dead and don't care. It's about what the actions say about the people doing the peeing. Killing other human beings is an extremely serious thing and it obviously wasn't for these guys.
You can't normalize killing for human beings by making it one of their daily duties at work then expect them to be all solemn about it. There is nothing wrong or unusual about dehumanizing your enemy. it is an obvious byproduct of war. If you don't like it become a pacifist. but don't be mad at the people fighting your battles for you because they become what most humans who war become.
I am pretty much a pacifist. But your dichotomy is stupid. Plenty of people go to war and don't feel like killing another human being is meaningless or fun.
Plenty of poor people grow up to be rich. I'm surprised at that argument from you.
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You think most people who fight in wars begin to think killing other people is just like brushing your teeth or playing a game of football?
There is totally something wrong with dehumanizing your enemy. I can't believe you would say otherwise.
Whether it's understandable or not is a different question. Murder is understandable too but we don't condone that either.
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Americans have acted like this in other wars but they shouldnt. Its disgusting and barbaric. Put the men who did this in jail. We are supposed to be the "good guys."
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You think most people who fight in wars begin to think killing other people is just like brushing your teeth or playing a game of football?
There is totally something wrong with dehumanizing your enemy. I can't believe you would say otherwise.
Whether it's understandable or not is a different question. Murder is understandable too but we don't condone that either.
A certain callousness occurs naturally. And even you would feel differently about the fifteenth Taliban you killed than the first.
And yes if you do it enough I think you began to view killing the enemy as just another part of the job. You think every soldier gets all weepy after every soldier they kill? Would you even want that?
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Of course they dont get weepy but they dont need to desecrate the bodies. This is crossing the line. They must all be professionals
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I never said they should piss on the bodies. But this isn't some kind of outrageous misconduct unforeseeable in a war.
under any standard of decency killing an 18 year old kid is a lot worse than pissing on a dead body, and we are making them do the worse thing. So acting all "ZOMG NO!!!!!" about the second is pretty retarded for about twenty different reasons.
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This does happen in war and its disgusting. It happened in WW2 and all wars the US was engaged in. In every case if it comes to light the Americans involved should be prosecuted. This is now how we should behave in war
Kill them but no do this to them.
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i think they should dig up all them bastrd and piss on ever last one of them and think their god we didnt nuke their sorry asses
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No they shouldnt. In war even if they act like animals we shouldnt if we want to call ourselves the good guys.
Kill them but respect them once they are dead and dont desecrate their bodies.
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You would get fragged with Yuki the first day in any war, Bonk. I don't think they would pee on you, but Yuki... it's just the way of the world man.
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I never joined the military.
The US government and the commander in Afghanistan is appalled by this act
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Oral_Butthurt is in permanent /meltdown mode. I haven't seen someone like him on the Outpost in awhile. I mean he isn't unique since he is just copying others, but the comedy he is is entertaining.
I mean look how easy it is to get him to start frothing at the mouth and start swearing like a 12 year old that just learned a few naughty words.
I still think he is Dae_Twats retarded alt, but that is debatable.
I've thought this too, but I suppose it's possible they're just really similar smelly foreigners who hate America.
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should have covered them in pig's semen and blood instead..
I mean if that does not bar those f'kers from their retarded eternity I don't know what will.. I mean if you did slather the dead with pigs blood it would probably discourage jihadist to join and win the war faster, thus killing less people..
I mean how much disrespect to a body is the act of shooting at it, dropping artillery rounds on it and air strikes? The alive or dead part matters little, so pissing on a corpse is by comparison not even close to as bad.
people need to chill the f'k out, if you don't want war don't play and then get pissy when something "horrible" happens..
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should have covered them in pig's semen and blood instead..
I mean if that does not bar those f'kers from their retarded eternity I don't know what will.. I mean if you did slather the dead with pigs blood it would probably discourage jihadist to join and win the war faster, thus killing less people..
I mean how much disrespect to a body is the act of shooting at it, dropping artillery rounds on it and air strikes? The alive or dead part matters little, so pissing on a corpse is by comparison not even close to as bad.
people need to chill the f'k out, if you don't want war don't play and then get pissy when something "horrible" happens..
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