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I'm guessing so, I just dont see how anyone can beat Romney.
Romney is way out in front nationally in polls, take a really bad mis-step at this point.
Santorum faded quickly in a non jesus state
Gingrich is somehow still polling in 3rd nationally but I just cant see him doing anything, there seems to be a lot of negative sentiment towards him
Paul had a pretty decent showing in New Hampshire but is still polling 4th over all nationally and he has really poor electability results in exit polling.
Perry, LOL
Huntsman put all his eggs in the NH basket and still finished third, he's done.
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How did puppy pants do?
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I believe Mr Pants will have to be a write in vote during the general election.
He is polling upwards though in national polling.
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And with Romney, the GOP has no chance of defeating Obama. Not that it really matters, because for all intents, he is Obama.
That's kind of a silly choice for a party that's slogan for the past 2 years has been, "what ever it takes to beat Obama"....
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Mitt wins nomination doesn't get elected.
I see Ron Paul going independent and splitting the GOP and getting Obama re-elected.
Newt had to much bad history, that was national spotlight type of news when it happened.
Santorum never had a chance to begin with.
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Ron Paul is, sadly, the GOP's true best candidate so far.
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Ron Paul is, sadly, the GOP's true best candidate so far.
Yep. They're idiots for not running him if they wanted nothing but to kick Obama out of the whitehouse. Fact is, Paul is far too conservative for their interests.
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Newt wasn't running for President, he was running for a high paying gig on FoxNews and to sell more of his books full of stupidity.
Paul wasn't running for President, he was running to spread his religion (AKA lets go back in time to when only rich white men had any power and everything was perfect for everyone)
Perry was running for President, but he is a fricken idiot.
Bachmann was running for President, because her insane husband told her to do so and they thought god was on their side.
Huntsman is running for the nomination in 2016.
Romney is running to be the guy that loses to Obama. He gets his wish.
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Newt wasn't running for President, he was running for a high paying gig on FoxNews and to sell more of his books full of stupidity.
Paul wasn't running for President, he was running to spread his religion (AKA lets go back in time to when only rich white men had any power and everything was perfect for everyone)
Perry was running for President, but he is a fricken idiot.
Bachmann was running for President, because her insane husband told her to do so and they thought god was on their side.
Huntsman is running for the nomination in 2016.
Romney is running to be the guy that loses to Obama. He gets his wish.
That's about as good a summation of this year's campaigns as I've seen so far.
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Ron Paul is, sadly, the GOP's true best candidate so far.
Yep. They're idiots for not running him if they wanted nothing but to kick Obama out of the whitehouse. Fact is, Paul is far too conservative for their interests.
Except Paul polls very poorly in actual electability. While some of his ideas are neat and his crazy is entertaining the people that actually vote dont like him much.
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Ron Paul is, sadly, the GOP's true best candidate so far.
Yep. They're idiots for not running him if they wanted nothing but to kick Obama out of the whitehouse. Fact is, Paul is far too conservative for their interests.
Except Paul polls very poorly in actual electability. While some of his ideas are neat and his crazy is entertaining the people that actually vote dont like him much.
doesn't matter if he has the popular support, he has to be able to win the electoral college.
which he wont because he doesn't have enough support in the states that matter in the electoral college.
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I strongly believe that the republican nomination grants you the votes of virtually everyone that was going to vote republican to begin with. Paul would have gotten them a lot of the undecided, independent and fence sitting votes. He probably still wouldn't have won, but he would have done better than Romney who will get all the republican votes and little to nothing else.
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the whole system is rigged to keep a 3rd party outsider out.
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To get a 3rd party president, you have to elect 3rd party congress critters first. You don't start a new party at the top, you start it at the bottom and work up. Anyway, laws are made in Congress, not by whatever idiot is currently sitting in the oval office.
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the whole system is rigged to keep a 3rd party outsider out.
In light of the tea party, that is a very good thing!!!
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I strongly believe that the republican nomination grants you the votes of virtually everyone that was going to vote republican to begin with. Paul would have gotten them a lot of the undecided, independent and fence sitting votes. He probably still wouldn't have won, but he would have done better than Romney who will get all the republican votes and little to nothing else.
There are a good portion of his own party that wouldnt even vote for him, including some of the ones running for the nomination. He also polls very poorly in electability with indepandents, not sure why you feel this way when nothing points to it aside from the really loud spam bot minority on the internet.
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Ron Paul is, sadly, the GOP's true best candidate so far.
The GOP's continued spurning of Ron Paul really shows that they have no interest in returning to old school conservative values. They are choosing to embrace this new era of fringe Christians and gimmicks over the sensible ideas that made them big. This could be a long bleed for the party.
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In short, the GOP is embracing the new stupid and eschewing the old stupid.
I agree
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Ptilk posted:
Newt wasn't running for President, he was running for a high paying gig on FoxNews and to sell more of his books full of stupidity.
Paul wasn't running for President, he was running to spread his religion (AKA lets go back in time to when only rich white men had any power and everything was perfect for everyone)
Perry was running for President, but he is a fricken idiot.
Bachmann was running for President, because her insane husband told her to do so and they thought god was on their side.
Huntsman is running for the nomination in 2016.
Romney is running to be the guy that loses to Obama. He gets his wish.
Well said, sir, well said.
And I can totally see Paul running as an independent if Romney gets the nod. Ron Paul has nothing to lose at this point by going independent and screwing over the GOP (not that they stand a chance with Romney vs. Obama).
In my opinion, the Republicans have only themselves to blame for Obama's second term. It was handed to them on a silver platter and they managed to bungle every last opportunity by doing nothing except opposing Obama. Yeah, we get it, you hates the Obama. Move on and DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE you fools.
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Oh, and I can totally see Huntsman as president in 2016. It's not like the Democrats will have anyone worthy by then.
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the gop nomination is already over if you are uneducated on the primary process
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Oh, and I can totally see Huntsman as president in 2016. It's not like the Democrats will have anyone worthy by then.
Hillary Clinton
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I forgot that insane Santorum guy who brings fetal corpses home for his kids to play with and wants to outlaw condoms.
Uh well....think I already said everything that needs to be said about him in the first line of this post.
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the gop nomination is already over if you are uneducated on the primary process
So who is going to pull ahead then? Educate us on why you think its not over. I realize its not over because there are still other states left to vote, but all the indicators are that its over.
I cant see either Gingrich or Santorum turning it around. Paul is way back in the national polling, way behind even Gingrich and Santorum. No one else is even on the radar, so who then?
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Oh, and I can totally see Huntsman as president in 2016. It's not like the Democrats will have anyone worthy by then.
Hillary Clinton
Yeah, I don't see that happening. I certainly don't see her getting elected. I sure as hell wouldn't vote for her. 
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Ron Paul is gaining momentum.
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Ron Paul is gaining momentum.
So does everyone that is running downhill.
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Romney is running to be the guy that loses to Obama. He gets his wish.
all that money getting wasted. wish I could figure out how to get a slice of it
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There are a large number of Republicans who won't vote for a Morman. As Christians drop out, their votes will go to other Christians. That's the reason so many candidates leapt ahead of Romney.
For Romney to win the nomination, he needs to keep several opponents in the race for a while. For Romney to win the election, he needs to spin his tax returns (either why he won't release them or why the numbers are the way they are). He also needs superPACs to remind America that Obama is a Muslim.
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it is.
The press is very sad about it, as well. It will be two more primaries before they will consider admitting that it's already decided.
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I strongly believe that the republican nomination grants you the votes of virtually everyone that was going to vote republican to begin with. Paul would have gotten them a lot of the undecided, independent and fence sitting votes. He probably still wouldn't have won, but he would have done better than Romney who will get all the republican votes and little to nothing else.
There are a good portion of his own party that wouldnt even vote for him, including some of the ones running for the nomination. He also polls very poorly in electability with indepandents, not sure why you feel this way when nothing points to it aside from the really loud spam bot minority on the internet.
Again, you keep posting this misinformation.
81% of Republicans would vote for Paul compared with 90% for Romney according to a survey from Monday. That 9% isn't going to make-or-break Paul's chance against Obama, and it's a far cry from the 50% number you were touting the other day. Either way I suspect they will hold their noses and vote for Paul anyways as they always do.
Ron Paul also does better with independents than Romney (47% vs 45%), more misinformation from you Cutt. How can you criticize Paul supporters when your own arguments are wrong and misleading?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/09/cbs-poll-independents-prefer-ron-paul-vs-obama/
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Newt wasn't running for President, he was running for a high paying gig on FoxNews and to sell more of his books full of stupidity.
Paul wasn't running for President, he was running to spread his religion (AKA lets go back in time to when only rich white men had any power and everything was perfect for everyone)
Perry was running for President, but he is a fricken idiot.
Bachmann was running for President, because her insane husband told her to do so and they thought god was on their side.
Huntsman is running for the nomination in 2016.
Romney is running to be the guy that loses to Obama. He gets his wish.
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more misinformation from you Cutt. How can you criticize Paul supporters when your own facts are wrong?
Facts are irrelevant. Cutt will support the other side of the argument (BT's argument) regardless of facts in an effort to get a rise out of BT. How is that working out for you cutt?
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Ron Paul also does better with independents than Romney (47% vs 45%), more misinformation from you Cutt. How can you criticize Paul supporters when your own arguments are wrong and misleading?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/09/cbs-poll-independents-prefer-ron-paul-vs-obama/
You are talking to me about misleading?
We've had this arguement a dozen times, I have showed you polling numbers that show Paul doesnt do well even within the GOP, I have shown you his deficit spending and large governmetn habits.
Your arguement always comes back to "He didnt vote for the Patriot Act" As I have said dozens to times Ex. If thats the reason you are voting for Paul thats perfectly fine, I dont have a problem with it. He did in fact not vote for the Patriot Act. He didnt do anything to fix the Patriot Act either but thats besides the point. All I care is that you arent voting for him for these other reason you keep stating that are proven false over and over.
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Ron Paul also does better with independents than Romney (47% vs 45%), more misinformation from you Cutt. How can you criticize Paul supporters when your own arguments are wrong and misleading?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2012/01/09/cbs-poll-independents-prefer-ron-paul-vs-obama/
You are talking to me about misleading?
We've had this arguement a dozen times, I have showed you polling numbers that show Paul doesnt do well even within the GOP, I have shown you his deficit spending and large governmetn habits.
Your arguement always comes back to "He didnt vote for the Patriot Act" As I have said dozens to times Ex. If thats the reason you are voting for Paul thats perfectly fine, I dont have a problem with it. He did in fact not vote for the Patriot Act. He didnt do anything to fix the Patriot Act either but thats besides the point. All I care is that you arent voting for him for these other reason you keep stating that are proven false over and over.
Straw man, this poll is from MONDAY and it shows what you said earlier isn't true. You keep side-stepping this just like when I brought it up in the last thread.
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Straw man, this poll is from MONDAY and it shows what you said earlier isn't true. You keep side-stepping this just like when I brought it up in the last thread.
Independants and Dems could vote in the NH polls. Why didnt Paul win? He got less of the Ind votes than Romney did, why?
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Straw man, this poll is from MONDAY and it shows what you said earlier isn't true. You keep side-stepping this just like when I brought it up in the last thread.
Independants and Dems could vote in the NH polls. Why didnt Paul win? He got less of the Ind votes than Romney did, why?
You are only partially right about the independent vote according to these stats on the NH election from CNN regarding independents:
http://us.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/nh?hpt=hp_pc1&hpt=hp_t1
Paul got 31% of the Independent vote versus Romney's 30% for unregistered Independents, then on Registered Independents Romney won 33% to Paul's 30%. There aren't numbers for total independent votes listed but Romney and Paul are neck and neck in that category. However once you add in Paul's 25% of the Democratic vote compared to Romney's 14% I'd say Paul is doing very well for himself with Independent and Democratic voters.
And all of this is after you factor in that Romney was a Governor in a neighboring state, and he owns a house in NH. It's no surprise he has strong support there.
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I dont even know why we are having this conversations Paul stands next to no chance to even get nominated. Planes carrying multiple candidates would have to crash for it to even be close to happening.
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Ex-remlocke posted:
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Ex-remlocke posted:
Straw man, this poll is from MONDAY and it shows what you said earlier isn't true. You keep side-stepping this just like when I brought it up in the last thread.
Independants and Dems could vote in the NH polls. Why didnt Paul win? He got less of the Ind votes than Romney did, why?
You are only partially right about the independent vote according to these stats on the NH election from CNN regarding independents:
http://us.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/epolls/nh?hpt=hp_pc1&hpt=hp_t1
Paul got 31% of the Independent vote versus Romney's 30% for unregistered Independents, then on Registered Independents Romney won 33% to Paul's 30%. There aren't numbers for total independent votes listed but Romney and Paul are neck and neck in that category. However once you add in Paul's 25% of the Democratic vote compared to Romney's 14% I'd say Paul is doing very well for himself with Independent and Democratic voters.
And all of this is after you factor in that Romney was a Governor in a neighboring state, and he owns a house in NH. It's no surprise he has strong support there.
Maybe independants and dems like Paul more overall vs. Romney. Maybe. That doesn't say they like Paul more than Obama.
For every moment of lucidity that Paul has, there are 10 moments of crazy that will alientate voters. Once you start talking about abolishing SS, Medicare, education, etc. you lose 85% of everyone.
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