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Obama or Romney. Jeepers kids, THERE'S a lot of "change".
Everyone wants something done but then in the end they try to get it with the same old same old.
If you plant corn over and over again don't be surprised when you don't have a field full of wheat.
Ron Paul. You know he's probably your best hope when almost EVERYONE is trying to shout him down.
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I'd be happy with a change. But, Ron Paul isn't a change I would be happy with. Anyone who doesn't believe in basic tenets of science, like evolution, is not someone I want to see as President.
Ron Paul doesn't even want to see himself as President. He just wants to stir things up and sell a few books.
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There's a huge difference between liking the status quo and seeing it as the lesser evil
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The whole status quo is ridicules. Just changing the guy on top will do nothing in changing the status que. EVERYBODY in Washington needs to go before any meaningful change will occur.
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The status quo has become the greater evil. Neither side will be willing to make changes drastic enough to avert the current spiral.
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Ron Paul would be an absolute waste of taxes.He wouldn't get any of his ideas through congress for two reasons
1)he isn't a leader
2)his ideas are bat shit crazy and no congressmen other than possibly a couple of the hard core tea baggers would consider putting their name on them.
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I'd be more open to ron paul if it weren't for the fact that his supporters all piss me off.
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I'd be happy with a change. But, Ron Paul isn't a change I would be happy with. Anyone who doesn't believe in basic tenets of science, like evolution, is not someone I want to see as President.
Ron Paul doesn't even want to see himself as President. He just wants to stir things up and sell a few books.
So Christians like Obama and Clinton must have been really hard for you to vote for?
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Groucho48 posted:
I'd be happy with a change. But, Ron Paul isn't a change I would be happy with. Anyone who doesn't believe in basic tenets of science, like evolution, is not someone I want to see as President.
Ron Paul doesn't even want to see himself as President. He just wants to stir things up and sell a few books.
So Christians like Obama and Clinton must have been really hard for you to vote for?
There are differences in faith among Christians.There are Christians (like Paul)that believe reality must conform to what they believe to be the truth,and then there are Christians that believe that the every truth has to conform to reality to be the truth.
That applies to almost every religion but you're discussing Christians atm.
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constitutional ideas are batshit crazy 
  
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Congress is what is totally messed up. A President is in charge, and yes...they take the blame for much of what happens, but it is congress has been screwing over the country for a long while now. Changing the guy in charge can only enhance their crazy (Bush years), or end up in gridlock (Obama years). Both are bad, enhancing is worse.
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I'd be happy with a change. But, Ron Paul isn't a change I would be happy with. Anyone who doesn't believe in basic tenets of science, like evolution, is not someone I want to see as President.
I'll take bad science over bad math.
Debt has expanded faster than GDP every single quarter since 1980. Mathematically, we are in deep shit. I figure we've got 3 years max to fix it, via cutting spending. 40% today, more like 50% if we wait till 2013 to start. If we have to wait for the class of 2015 to be seated, it may be too late.
Nobody else is (in the big 2 parties) pushing the really big cuts.
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Id rather have Ron Paul as US prez than have USA turn in to 100% mormon theocracy
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So if you jump out of the frying pan and into the fire, that's desirable Friar?
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Elkad posted:
Groucho48 posted:
I'd be happy with a change. But, Ron Paul isn't a change I would be happy with. Anyone who doesn't believe in basic tenets of science, like evolution, is not someone I want to see as President.
I'll take bad science over bad math.
Debt has expanded faster than GDP every single quarter since 1980. Mathematically, we are in deep shit. I figure we've got 3 years max to fix it, via cutting spending. 40% today, more like 50% if we wait till 2013 to start. If we have to wait for the class of 2015 to be seated, it may be too late.
Nobody else is (in the big 2 parties) pushing the really big cuts.
Lol... 40-50% cuts.
This kids is why America is going down the drain. Got a whole party dedicated to people that are batshiat crazy like this guy.
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The status quo sucks. Changing the status quo to sucks more.
Give me a third party candidate without the and i'd strongly consider him/her.
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Testerion posted:
Id rather have Ron Paul as US prez than have USA turn in to 100% mormon theocracy
Been reading some ultra-conservative evangelist newsletter?
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Obama or Romney. Jeepers kids, THERE'S a lot of "change".
Everyone wants something done but then in the end they try to get it with the same old same old.
If you plant corn over and over again don't be surprised when you don't have a field full of wheat.
Ron Paul. You know he's probably your best hope when almost EVERYONE is trying to shout him down.
For once I'm with you. I think Ron Paul is the best candidate, with John Huntsman a close second. Unfortunately that doesn't mean they'll get elected.
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McCain had zero economic experience going into the election. He didn't even really have economic advisors he talked to so he had to recruit them. The fact is every President that is not crazy is probably going to pull economic advisors from the same pool of people. That pool of people is more defined by the nature of the science in the US than political BS. The conclusions of this group are also not based on what is easy to sell politically.
So in the end the President of the US is really just a middle man between economists and the people.
Romney is a person who is really defined by his management experience. That is what you would be voting for. Candidates like RP are defined by their ideology. His ideology is bot based on study or intelligence but faith.
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Romney is a person who is really defined by his management experience. That is what you would be voting for. Candidates like RP are defined by their ideology. His ideology is bot based on study or intelligence but faith.
The Austrian economists called the crashes, your precious Keynesians not only failed but they failed spectacularly time and time again.
Oh and BTW, Romney whined that he lost money on the last crash. So much for his so called expertise.
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I have a very good life with the status quo. If nothing changes I will live a long, prosperous middle class life.
I am hoping for big changes before my kids get out on their own however.
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The status quo sucks. Changing the status quo to sucks more.
Give me a third party candidate without the and i'd strongly consider him/her.
The problem is what you think is not is the status quO only more of it
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Kjarhall posted:
The status quo sucks. Changing the status quo to sucks more.
Give me a third party candidate without the and i'd strongly consider him/her.
The problem is what you think is not is the status quO only more of it
Source?
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Fine, then just give me a 3rd party candidate without supporters that are assholes about it. Ron paul supporters are the worst thing for his cause.
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Hope and Change is a pretty stupid campaign slogan and it only attracts suckers.
In 2012 everyone should vote for Change and Hope. It will work this time.
Don't stop believin'!!
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I have issues with some Ron Paul's ideas. I haven't counted out voting for him in the general election, depending on the debates.
What you're seeing from me on this board is blowback for being spoken of like a sheep for not falling in lock-step with his policies.
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Any change isn't going to come from the top. You could put anyone you wanted in as President and things would move only a few degrees one way or another.
There has to be systemic change. Public financing would be huge. Everyone who says they want change should vote against any of their congressfolk who are especially close to our corporate overlords. I am almost certainly going to vote against my Senator Schumer next time. On a lot of issues, he's pretty good, but, he is way too closely tied to Wall Street. That's always been a problem with NYS Senators. Wall Street really likes, as LBJ used to put it, to have their peckers in its pocket.
Ron Paul has been in Congress forever and did he change anything there? No, he didn't. Why do you think that will change if he becomes President?
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Romney is a person who is really defined by his management experience. That is what you would be voting for.
The one person running that has experience in righting companies that are in the red. This is why a lot of us are willing to bet on him.
His record is definitely blemished, but out of the entire pool he is the only one that has shown that they can and will do what it takes to start our economic recovery.
I still say he needs to grab Huntsman to tie up the Independents and the disenfranchised Dems.
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Any change isn't going to come from the top. You could put anyone you wanted in as President and things would move only a few degrees one way or another.
There has to be systemic change. Public financing would be huge. Everyone who says they want change should vote against any of their congressfolk who are especially close to our corporate overlords. I am almost certainly going to vote against my Senator Schumer next time. On a lot of issues, he's pretty good, but, he is way too closely tied to Wall Street. That's always been a problem with NYS Senators. Wall Street really likes, as LBJ used to put it, to have their peckers in its pocket.
Ron Paul has been in Congress forever and did he change anything there? No, he didn't. Why do you think that will change if he becomes President?
The people voting out status quo and voting in Ron Paul would only happen if change had/has occurred from the ground up.
Be part of the change you are looking for - Vote Ron Paul 2012!!!
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I'd be happy with a change. But, Ron Paul isn't a change I would be happy with. Anyone who doesn't believe in basic tenets of science, like evolution, is not someone I want to see as President.
Ron Paul doesn't even want to see himself as President. He just wants to stir things up and sell a few books.
Wow....
. < There is wrong . < Here you are
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Enjoy it when it gets here. You sheep will deserve it.
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Groucho48 posted:
I'd be happy with a change. But, Ron Paul isn't a change I would be happy with. Anyone who doesn't believe in basic tenets of science, like evolution, is not someone I want to see as President.
Ron Paul doesn't even want to see himself as President. He just wants to stir things up and sell a few books.
Wow....
. < There is wrong . < Here you are
Sooo you're saying he's not wrong....
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
Romney is a person who is really defined by his management experience. That is what you would be voting for.
The one person running that has experience in righting companies that are in the red. This is why a lot of us are willing to bet on him.
His record is definitely blemished, but out of the entire pool he is the only one that has shown that they can and will do what it takes to start our economic recovery.
Simple mistake there.
There is no reason to think that running a company that specializes in leveraged buyouts, restructuring and reselling companies really helps you restart an entire economy. The two have nothing to do with each other. Romney has as much relevant experience as the President of a pro sports team.
Unless maybe you are looking for DC to buy out every struggling company in the US, restructure it and sell it back to private parties.
BUying a retail organization, turning it around and selling it is not something that has any real macro economic benefit. It may help the owners/employees of that particular retail establishment, but its likely at the expense of the owners/employees of competing retail establishments.
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Unless he wants to shake up Washington by restructuring it as he has businesses... and trims the fat like so many RP supporters hope for. Sounds like he has more experience at bringing change than Ron Paul does.
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This is where you and I will disagree.
The two are relevant to each other to me. Finding the points in a company that are not allowing for proper growth and replacing or restructuring is something I find very useful for our economy. While a company obviously is not synonymous with our government, there is enough crossover (financially) that his experience is better suited for the task.
Below you can find a pdf or watch the video made by financial analysts on the break down of the government spending vs. revenue. It seems unbiased and is what I am looking for in a president. Someone that understands financially how to move the country into a rate of growth that is sustainable. Currently, I only see one nominee that actually has experience in this.
Can he do it if elected? I hope so. He seems to be the most eligible for this specific task which is the most important thing to me at this point.
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If I were American I think I'd probably vote for him. You have to respect him... and I think what you guys all need most is to be shaken up a bit. He probably wouldn't get most of the crazier stuff done, but he'd definitely change things up.
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Akza posted:
Elkad posted:
I'll take bad science over bad math.
Debt has expanded faster than GDP every single quarter since 1980. Mathematically, we are in deep shit. I figure we've got 3 years max to fix it, via cutting spending. 40% today, more like 50% if we wait till 2013 to start. If we have to wait for the class of 2015 to be seated, it may be too late.
Nobody else is (in the big 2 parties) pushing the really big cuts.
Lol... 40-50% cuts.
This kids is why America is going down the drain. Got a whole party dedicated to people that are batshiat crazy like this guy.
Are you that bad at math? We spent 3.8Trillion dollars on 2.16Trillion in taxes. That's a 40% cut to balance. Of course that will lower taxes collected too, so we'll need to cut even more to balance up.
It's impossible to collect more than 20% taxes. I don't care what you set the rates to, that's all you get. (We managed about 22% in WW2). So we could maybe scrape up another 200Billion or so by rate hikes from our current levels.
Our budget problems are only going to get worse. The percentage we need to cut the budget by has been doubling every 3-4 years. We are about one more double from complete collapse.
Nevermind all the other crap. It's all about the budget.
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Ron Paul is like what Germany did in '36
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