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Just FYI if you aren't following it. This will also place him 2nd in delegates so far.

 

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Romney number 1

as predicted 7 month ago

 

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Romney is irrelevant. He's nothing different and a possible initiator of more unending wars.

 

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Romney will win it, Obama will beat Romney.

Said it in 2009. Not even bothering to watch.

 

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Mike_the_Red_MT posted:
Romney will win it, Obama will beat Romney.

Said it in 2009. Not even bothering to watch.


Pretty much this.

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSOtuInc3LE&feature=g-all-f&context=G25218faFAAAAAAAACAA

 

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so far Ron Paul hasn't layed a glove on Romney. wonder what is going to happen when he turns the guns on him.

he knocked rick pery out then Gingrich and now santorum

like to see how it turns out.

 

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BritonGuy posted:
Romney is irrelevant. He's nothing different and a possible initiator of more unending wars.
He sort of does matter because he is going to win.

 

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Romney will win it, Obama will beat Romney.

Said it in 2009. Not even bothering to watch.


Pretty much this.

 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d_FvgQ1csE

someone just gave me the link to that...it's worth watching some of if you haven't seen before (Vermin Supreme from NH)...he's basically the New Hampshire version of our (Memphis) Prince Mongo it looks like.

 

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Romney LOVED this result...

I mean he was kind of afraid the anti-romney vote would coallesce around Santorum.

Having a Strong Paul second with Huntsman third and Gingrich/Santorum well down tied 4/5 ensures that 30% of the vote will be enough to win for some time to come.

 

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CSM-Fido posted:
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Mike_the_Red_MT posted:
Romney will win it, Obama will beat Romney.

Said it in 2009. Not even bothering to watch.


Pretty much this.

 

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Who finished #2 on the Democratic side?

 

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BritonGuy posted:
Romney is irrelevant. He's nothing different and a possible initiator of more unending wars.


This, because they always give the nomination to the guy who came in second.

 

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the only thing that terrifies me more than another wasted 4 years with the country in its current state is 4 years of a lame-duck Obama who has nothing to fear from needing to be reelected.

 

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Hey LSU came in 2nd place, too. Awesome, right?

Romney became the first Republican to ever win New Hampshire and Iowa.

And yes Obama will most likely beat him in the GE. Too bad.

 

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Hey wait... This is not what BT predicted.

 

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perry got 1%. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


laugh laugh laugh

 

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This is actually a win for Ron Paul. He wasn't expected to do well in NH so this is great news for him. Romney is toast.

 

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[quote=Mike_the_Red_MT]Romney will win it, Obama will beat Romney.

Said it in 2009. Not even bothering to watch.


Pretty much this.

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An incumbent losing an election is damn near impossible, and Americans, especially republicans, are going to consistently vote for the most boring candidate possible.

 

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more like 2nd to last

 

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so far Ron Paul hasn't layed a glove on Romney. wonder what is going to happen when he turns the guns on him.

he knocked rick pery out then Gingrich and now santorum

like to see how it turns out.


What will happen is his chance to be Romney's VP goes up in smoke.

 

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Hey wait... This is not what BT predicted.


Your infatuation with BT is enough to make even Caolin feel sorry for you.


Says the person lacking enough balls to post under his own user name. Also BT made this prediction in one of my threads, so really I didnt have to do much stalking and I didnt go over the edge into his personal life like Caoilin does. Not that it matters, being that I am talking to a giant pussy who is too afraid to post with their own user name.

 

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Cuttlery posted:
altered_eggo posted:
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Hey wait... This is not what BT predicted.


Your infatuation with BT is enough to make even Caolin feel sorry for you.


Says the person lacking enough balls to post under his own user name. Also BT made this prediction in one of my threads, so really I didnt have to do much stalking and I didnt go over the edge into his personal life like Caoilin does. Not that it matters, being that I am talking to a giant pussy who is too afraid to post with their own user name.
Non no, he had the tummy surgery so he's not giant any more.

 

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Whoever runs as an indepent will unfort. Make obama win

 

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Time for Palin to jump back into this thing.

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Arch Magic.

 

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altered_eggo posted:

Doesn't matter if I said that on this account or any other account. But lawl at scolding me for not using my preferred fake name. It's still fake.


Uh huh, except what you are posting is false, everyone knows it, and we all think you are a giant pansy ass who is too scared to post on his own user name. I'm not dancing around squat, we can go through my posts if you like to see exactly how many are what you consider BT stalking and whether or not its my threads being stalked or his. Continue though please, keep proving to us what a pansy ass you are. Its awfully frightening that you are such a chicken you cant even post this crap under your own user name. Are you that scared of looking like a dumbass its resorted to this for you?

 

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Romney will only lose if Paul runs as a third candidate or if his supporters stay home in protest.

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altered_eggo posted:

BT posts here only about 5 times a week and you still can't stay away. You're baiting a user who isn't even here. Obsessed is definitely the word.

Although you seem to care a great deal about my opinion of you, I can't say I feel the same way. Your opinion of me is moot.

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I'm not dancing around squat, we can go through my posts if you like to see exactly how many are what you consider BT stalking and whether or not its my threads being stalked or his.


Knock yourself out and do that. I've already read enough to know what your posts entail.


Lets get back to discussing why you are so scared to post with your true user name.

(also feel free to prove me wrong, post a bunch of these BT threads where I have been stalking him, going back it doesnt appear that I have actually posted in a thread BT started in at least over 2 months, he however has posted in a few of mine. I guess he following my posts equates to me stalking him, interesting logic you employ)

Are you afraid of posting with your own user name? Is your opinion so crappy you are scared of making yourself looking like a dumbass like you are here? Whats really the problem? We can discuss it here its ok.

 

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All Cutt did was bring up something BT said

and I guess I could of missed it, but I don't see Cutt insulting anyone around here

he is one of the most cordial people around here

trolls should stick to trolling trolls.. I think that would be great for everyone

you could blow your wad all over each other, and the civil people could just post their opinions on stuff

 

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The best part about this is that the person who is too chicken to actually post under their own name appears to be stalking me.

 

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B_T worked very hard for a very long time to make himself into a meme, I'm not sure why this coward is trying to belittle B_T's efforts and accomplishment.

 

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roughly 60% of repubs adamantly don't want romney...every subgroup has it's own reasons....the ultra conservative groups thinks hes too moderate...another group thinks he wont beat obama....andthe evangelicals for instance are in a hissy to get romney to not be the nominee...they will bend over backwards to prevent a mormon from getting the nod

as ron paul continues to kick out the other candidates he will be the only one left to compete with romney


and ron paul is banking on that fact that the mass antiromney crowd will have no choice but to back him

 

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roughly 60% of repubs adamantly don't want romney

and ron paul is banking on that fact that the mass antiromney crowd will have no choice but to back him


I would like to see that data can you source them I would be very interested to read truely. According to every poll I have seen what you are saying is inaccurate. Romney holds the most favorable ratings amoung the GOP from everything I have seen. On the flip side of that Paul among the GOP has almost as high a unfavorable rating as favorable.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/behind-the-numbers/post/romneys-favorable-ratings-top-paul-santorum-among-gop/2012/01/03/gIQAjHfgmP_blog.html

Mitt Romney’s stubborn hold on the mantle of front-runner for the GOP nomination is due in part to his solid favorable ratings among Republicans, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News national poll. Rick Santorum and Ron Paul are the latest challengers attempting to unseat Romney, but they lack his level of appeal among the party’s base. Santorum’s problem is still limited visibility; Paul’s challenge is more basic: a more damaging level of unfavorable views.

Fully 61 percent of Republicans view Romney favorably while just 18 percent see him unfavorably in the new poll. The former Massachusetts governor’s appeal among the GOP is at its highest point since March. Since November, there’s been a significant drop in Romney’s unfavorable ratings, from 29 to 18 percent.

 

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Some of the media is beginning to give Ron Paul the attention and serious consideration he deserves. It's not quite there yet, but it's a start. Once the media stops being biased and declaring him unelectable, the sheepish populace will follow.

I'm not sure the media has a choice. They've probably realized that no matter what they do, Ron Paul's support base will keep growing. 4 years of media bias and ignorant people refusing to consider him and look what happened in New Hampshire: 8% to 23%.

Romney isn't a lock-in if people realize he is bought and paid for and that Ron Paul has an actual chance.

 

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Fully 61 percent of Republicans view Romney favorably while just 18 percent see him unfavorably in the new poll.


Devoted Republican voters don't matter very much in the general election compared to independents (who favor Ron Paul more), and their like for Romney has less to do with Romney and more to do with media favoritism and frontrunner anointment by blowhards in the party.

 

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Fully 61 percent of Republicans view Romney favorably while just 18 percent see him unfavorably in the new poll.


Devoted Republican voters don't matter very much in the general election compared to independents (who favor Ron Paul more), and their like for Romney has less to do with Romney and more to do with media favoritism and frontrunner anointment by blowhards in the party.


I was referring to Walkers post in which he said republicans were unfavorable towards Romney at 61%

Also Rem already posted a poll that showed Romney and Paul at almost the same for independants with Paul very slightly ahead.

 

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Considering the publicity advantage of Romney during the time that poll was taken, that says a lot.

Ron Paul is now officially THE alternative to Romney. Not Gingrich, not Santorum, not Huntsman. It's now time for everyone to give him some consideration and respect.

 

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if rommney runs, we loose to obama.

if rommey and an independent run, we loose to obama

if ron paul runs and an independent runs, we loose to obama

if ron paul runs and no independent runs, we have a chance

 

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BritonGuy makes so much sense, maybe i should ask my SDT comrades to lay off him a bit.

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Eggo should be careful. He's delicious when covered with syrup, and I've quite an appetite these days.

 

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BritonGuy makes so much sense, maybe i should ask my SDT comrades to lay off him a bit.

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Hopefully everyone will lay off Ron Paul and open their ears.

 

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Romney isn't a lock-in if people realize he is bought and paid for and that Ron Paul has an actual chance.


Both Romney and Paul suffer from a ceiling problem. They are less interchangeable than the other candidates, and another candidate dropping out doesn't allow them to draw support out of the loser's followers. The people they get are converts (to Paul's blatant stupidity or Romney's flaunted inevitability) that have little to do with how well or how poorly the other candidates are doing.

This bodes far better for Romney than for Paul.

The problem with Paul (besides the obvious lunacy) is that his ceiling is much lower than Romney's. As long as there are enough "unRomneys" who remain in the race to split the rest of the vote, then Romney or Paul will win the nomination. Paul's problem is that Romney has the "default" option right now by merely splitting the unRomney vote. Paul would have to both maintain the unRomney flock AND reduce Romney's converts to a lower number than his own. He has no means to do this without compromising his own principals, because the new Bain capital attacks from the unRomneys that seem to have some effect don't fit Paul's laissez-faire libertarianism at all. There's nothing in Paul's toolbox to attack Romney's specific faults, so all he has is his general distinction from the republican party, ie further blather that we will tune out.

For any of the unRomneys to win, they'd have to have two of Perry / Gingrich / Santorum drop out and consolidate support around the third. Huntsman is a non-factor; what minuscule support he gets is from an entirely different base, and there's little enough of it to be worth pursuing. I see pride as the biggest obstacle to this ever happening.

I personally think a Perry-Gingrich ticket has a good chance at the nomination (assuming Santorum drops out and supports them, perhaps for a cabinet post) and a non-trivial chance in the general. Perry goes at the top because he's more personable; those smart enough to see what a blatant idiot Perry is will take comfort in Gingrich being on the ticket. It's pretty much the same dynamic as Bush / Cheney, though not quite as extreme in dumb / evil as those two were.

 

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_Elwood_ posted:
BritonGuy makes so much sense, maybe i should ask my SDT comrades to lay off him a bit.

nerd


Hopefully everyone will lay off Ron Paul and open their ears.


If you only watched mainstream media you probably would think Paul is nuts. They ask him outrageous questions, mock him and edit the videos to make him look even worse. They routinely try to cut him off as he is trying to answer. Even if you hate Paul, you have to admit the media chooses a candidate. The people are gullible enough to follow. Only 2% of the delegates have been earned in this race, and we already have a winner?

To the Romney supporters...Why would you choose a candidate that is bought and paid for by lobbyists and bankers?



 

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Ok, I am thoroughly confused....

I have never set someone up as a blocked user, yet I don't see any altered eggo posts. confused

 

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The alt was killed by a mod probably.

 

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So whats number 2 get you ?

 

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BritonGuy posted:
Romney isn't a lock-in if people realize he is bought and paid for and that Ron Paul has an actual chance.


Both Romney and Paul suffer from a ceiling problem. They are less interchangeable than the other candidates, and another candidate dropping out doesn't allow them to draw support out of the loser's followers. The people they get are converts (to Paul's blatant stupidity or Romney's flaunted inevitability) that have little to do with how well or how poorly the other candidates are doing.

This bodes far better for Romney than for Paul.

The problem with Paul (besides the obvious lunacy) is that his ceiling is much lower than Romney's. As long as there are enough "unRomneys" who remain in the race to split the rest of the vote, then Romney or Paul will win the nomination. Paul's problem is that Romney has the "default" option right now by merely splitting the unRomney vote. Paul would have to both maintain the unRomney flock AND reduce Romney's converts to a lower number than his own. He has no means to do this without compromising his own principals, because the new Bain capital attacks from the unRomneys that seem to have some effect don't fit Paul's laissez-faire libertarianism at all. There's nothing in Paul's toolbox to attack Romney's specific faults, so all he has is his general distinction from the republican party, ie further blather that we will tune out.

For any of the unRomneys to win, they'd have to have two of Perry / Gingrich / Santorum drop out and consolidate support around the third. Huntsman is a non-factor; what minuscule support he gets is from an entirely different base, and there's little enough of it to be worth pursuing. I see pride as the biggest obstacle to this ever happening.

I personally think a Perry-Gingrich ticket has a good chance at the nomination (assuming Santorum drops out and supports them, perhaps for a cabinet post) and a non-trivial chance in the general. Perry goes at the top because he's more personable; those smart enough to see what a blatant idiot Perry is will take comfort in Gingrich being on the ticket. It's pretty much the same dynamic as Bush / Cheney, though not quite as extreme in dumb / evil as those two were.


The republicans are screwed I agree. They are divided so much that they stand no chance against Obama. There are 3 types of conservatives, You have the Libertarians, the moderates, and the Christians. None of these groups can come together to share a common candidate. This reminds me of 2004 when the democrats could have EASILY defeated bush the 2nd term, yet all they could come up with was Kerry? REALLY? Why does the media want Romney so bad?

I leave you with a great Ron Paul speech and tell me how crazy he sounds here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da6irSCvnZY

Most people in America today cannot live within their means so I suppose financial responsibility DOES sound crazy to them.

 

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[quote=BritonGuy]To the Romney supporters...Why would you choose a candidate that is bought and paid for by lobbyists and bankers?


As a liberal I'm obviously not "supporting" Romney, but I have given him some consideration because he has the best China policy of any candidate in either party.

If I were a republican, I might still favor Romney just by elimination: Paul is a lunatic, Perry is an idiot, Huntsman (whom I loathe the most deeply) has both hands around China's chicken , Santorum is a homophobe, and Gingrich wants to unconstitutionally arrest legislators and judges with whom he disagrees and put our kids to work. The different non-Romneys each require their own flavor of stupidity amongst their supporters.

 

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So whats number 2 get you ?



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I leave you with a great Ron Paul speech and tell me how crazy he sounds here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da6irSCvnZY

Most people in America today cannot live within their means so I suppose financial responsibility DOES sound crazy to them.


You're not one of my stalkers, so when I tell you this, it's without any malice whatsoever. I just intend to educate you on two things:

1. As Aerlinthian can attest, I do NOT watch videos for anything other than entertainment. They are poor tools in political argument; they take much longer to view than to read, they are harder to cite specific segments than writing, and they are more open to interpretation of the viewer. (The last point is because we have time to choose precise language in writing and will use more ambiguous terms in speech.)

2. The reason I hate Paul has nothing to do with his "financial responsibility," his "media portrayal," his newsletter, or even most of the tenets of his libertarian philosophy. My disdain for him is hardly new and highly specific; he's a deflationist, which will destroy what's left of the world economy. Deflation has caused most of the economic havoc we see around us, and it's hidden by rising energy costs so we don't see that the portion of the cost of goods and services that stays within our own economy is actually decreasing. Deflation causes debts to cost more in real dollars, which means that no amount of austerity could ever pay off our national debt. It's traditionally considered a benefit to those who own debt instruments, but in reality, the rate of default (which rises exponentially in a deflationary cycle) means that even they suffer from deflation.

It's not possible to maintain a fixed money supply and grow an economy, even if we completely ignored why Nixon took us off of the gold standard in the first place: other countries were holding our dollar instead of gold in reserve, which resulted in a currency flight for which we could not compensate, and it was dragging down our economy. Add that in, and it's beyond lunacy to support such a policy: it's suicidal. If Paul wants to shoot himself in the head, I'll support the second amendment enough to give him a loaded gun and stand back, but he's not going to take me, my country, or my planet with him.

 

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Paul is a lunatic


He's not a lunatic, otherwise there would easily be proof given his popularity. Your insults aren't an intelligent political opinion, in fact they tend to hint that you don't have one.

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You're not one of my stalkers, so when I tell you this, it's without any malice whatsoever.


Oh, so you think you have stalkers in my thread now...

and you're calling Ron Paul a lunatic? Seriously, just read your own posts and realize how you sound.

 

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Arc_DT posted:
You're not one of my stalkers, so when I tell you this, it's without any malice whatsoever.


Oh, so you think you have stalkers in my thread now...

and you're calling Ron Paul a lunatic? Seriously, just read your own posts and realize how you sound.


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WhipSmack posted:
I leave you with a great Ron Paul speech and tell me how crazy he sounds here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Da6irSCvnZY

Most people in America today cannot live within their means so I suppose financial responsibility DOES sound crazy to them.


You're not one of my stalkers, so when I tell you this, it's without any malice whatsoever. I just intend to educate you on two things:

1. As Aerlinthian can attest, I do NOT watch videos for anything other than entertainment. They are poor tools in political argument; they take much longer to view than to read, they are harder to cite specific segments than writing, and they are more open to interpretation of the viewer. (The last point is because we have time to choose precise language in writing and will use more ambiguous terms in speech.)

2. The reason I hate Paul has nothing to do with his "financial responsibility," his "media portrayal," his newsletter, or even most of the tenets of his libertarian philosophy. My disdain for him is hardly new and highly specific; he's a deflationist, which will destroy what's left of the world economy. Deflation has caused most of the economic havoc we see around us, and it's hidden by rising energy costs so we don't see that the portion of the cost of goods and services that stays within our own economy is actually decreasing. Deflation causes debts to cost more in real dollars, which means that no amount of austerity could ever pay off our national debt. It's traditionally considered a benefit to those who own debt instruments, but in reality, the rate of default (which rises exponentially in a deflationary cycle) means that even they suffer from deflation.

It's not possible to maintain a fixed money supply and grow an economy, even if we completely ignored why Nixon took us off of the gold standard in the first place: other countries were holding our dollar instead of gold in reserve, which resulted in a currency flight for which we could not compensate, and it was dragging down our economy. Add that in, and it's beyond lunacy to support such a policy: it's suicidal. If Paul wants to shoot himself in the head, I'll support the second amendment enough to give him a loaded gun and stand back, but he's not going to take me, my country, or my planet with him.


Our government should have the right to issue our own money. Why are we borrowing it from the Federal Reserve?

 

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Our government should have the right to issue our own money.  Why are we borrowing it from the Federal Reserve?


I'm actually in favor of abolishing the Fed as well, but the similarity ends there. I want us to have full control over our own monetary policy, including using it as a countermeasure to the fiscal policy we need to get our finances back in order.

Most most on the right and even most on the left fail to realize is that taxes do NOT remove economic activity. We spend that money, so it gets put back into the economy (as long as it's spent on domestic providers, which we have had a law to do so since 1935 but it has been eroded over the years and outright abandoned with the W Bush administration). Reducing the deficit has a counter-effect on the US economy, no matter whether we cut spending or raise taxes to do so. This happened in the late 1990s; we balanced the budget, but the economy suffered because the Fed was actually strangling our money supply instead of increasing it to compensate, because they were chasing a ghost of inflation that simply did not exist. Everybody remembers the recession at the end of Bush's presidency, but we actually had one at the beginning of his presidency that carried over from Clinton. Michigan never recovered from the first recession before it got socked with the second. We'd lost hundreds of thousands of jobs between 1998-2002.

Controlled inflation grows the economy. Manufacturers have an incentive to produce inventory at today's prices and sell them at tomorrow's. We tend to view inflation as a bad thing because of the double-digit inflation of the 1970s that was ripping us apart and hyperinflation scenarios such as the Mexican Peso crisis of the 1990s. The first case was a result of the dollar shifting to its true market value after being taken off of the artificial price control of the gold standard, and the second case was the result of extreme conditions that are not present in normal, <5% annual inflation.

Paul, on the other hand, wants to abolish the fed so we never again for eternity print another bill that doesn't represent either a directly proportional increase in our gold supply or a replacement of a destroyed note. We need control of monetary policy so we can expand the supply of money to match its growing demand in our economy, not to strangle it.

 

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Second place is the first loser


Second place is a winner of delegates. Big difference.

 

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Romney will win it, Obama will beat Romney.

Said it in 2009. Not even bothering to watch.


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Second place is the first loser


Second place is a winner of delegates. Big difference.


Yeah that only matters if someone beats Romney somewhere. If Romeny keeps winning having delegates means about as much as a Ron Paul pledge to do something.

 

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Romney will win it, Obama will beat Romney.

Said it in 2009. Not even bothering to watch.


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