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This morning I was stretching and looking at my legs. I realized all of that flesh would someday be gone. I then thought about my skull without a brain. That too will decompose. Where do all your memories go? The spark of consciousness disappears! Where does it go? Do you take a vacation?
When I was young I was intrigued by shrunken heads  Do they think? If so, what are they thinking about?
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Of course, when that happens, your memories will be the least of your concerns. 
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I forgot to buy toilet paper- who cares; I'm dead!
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One of my engineering counterparts is pretty jazzed about the possiblity of storing human memories in computers before we die as a kind of immortality. I pointed out that it still won't matter to the person, who will die and not be able to benefit from any of those stored memories.
He hadn't thought about it before and seemed disappointed. 
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The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.
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When your brain decomposes you end.
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Everyone dies. I intend to enjoy life for as long as I can. I believe there is an afterlife but logically I accept that it might be just lights off. In any case there is nothing I can do about it so I don't waste my time worrying about it.
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if all life is, is chance. once you die you will join the abyss. maybe it will take ten billion years or a hundred before your time is up to experience sentience again.
since you are unaware the time will pass by as if it was instantaneous. you will close your eyes and then open them as some alien species. you'll pop back into existence whenever your new form gets over its childhood amnesia if you're burdened with it. maybe you'll be a fat alien kid sucking on a fudgsicle, you guys would be prodigies.
if you've had the fortune of experiencing sentience once, odds are in favour of it happening again, no? if for some reason each one of us is 'special' and this is a one off, well that would be a lot more interesting and to me suggests some sort of design.
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This happens when you read the Outpost too
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I am tracking with you amyB! 
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When I die, the world decomposes.
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The world as I know it ends when I die. Not that the world I'm living is that great
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I had always wondered that when you're dead and your brain starts to decompose if the decomposing process causes parts of the brain to reactivate. So you have like a slide show as the circuitry gets booted for some micro seconds. If you get cremated it would be several slideshows going on. I mean for people that think that there is no spirit wouldn't this be a plausibility?
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That's not possible.
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I mean for people that think that there is no spirit wouldn't this be a plausibility?
not if those people have studied neuroscience
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That's not possible.
Why? the heat could activate some neurons. I'm no saying you would sit up and say hi, but could it be that all those stored memory could start playing randomly. Just enough heat to cause a reandom thought.
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Mostly the same reasons you can't "re-play" a second of Battlefield 3 on some shard of your broken CPU.
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The process starts early in life for Republicans.
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Dreams don't go by the same temporal boundaries that we experience as being awake. When one dies they dream and even though in reality we might die, our perspective has been switched to our dream which can go on for eternity
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Heladric posted:
The process starts early in life for Republicans.
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When musicians die they decompose too.
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I believe that our consciousness is an entity, we are our consciousness and it leaves the body to rejoin a larger pool of consciousness/knowledge if you are lucky, but if you require more lessons here in the flesh you will be reborn and this process will continue for many lifetimes until you have come to an enlightened state of consciousness... after which you can either will your way to a new body and be reborn or join creation which is the pool of all the knowledge in the universe and have access to this knowledge.
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^^
I like it.
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I believe that our consciousness is an entity, we are our consciousness and it leaves the body to rejoin a larger pool of consciousness/knowledge if you are lucky, but if you require more lessons here in the flesh you will be reborn and this process will continue for many lifetimes until you have come to an enlightened state of consciousness... after which you can either will your way to a new body and be reborn or join creation which is the pool of all the knowledge in the universe and have access to this knowledge.
Do you think that lil old You, Coriolus Da Great, have or will have the power, or awareness, to add anything to or improve this Pool of Eternal "All Knowledge" you speak of?
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Z-Elder posted:
Coriolus posted:
I believe that our consciousness is an entity, we are our consciousness and it leaves the body to rejoin a larger pool of consciousness/knowledge if you are lucky, but if you require more lessons here in the flesh you will be reborn and this process will continue for many lifetimes until you have come to an enlightened state of consciousness... after which you can either will your way to a new body and be reborn or join creation which is the pool of all the knowledge in the universe and have access to this knowledge.
Do you think that lil old You, Coriolus Da Great, have or will have the power, or awareness, to add anything to or improve this Pool of Eternal "All Knowledge" you speak of?
We all have experiences to contribute to the pool no matter how insignificant YOU may think they are.
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Eh.. memories dont go anywhere. I dont have direct experience myself, but logically the only thing that will happen is ... NOTHING! Neurons don't get "reactivated" after death. The chemicals will start to diffuse from the receptors with no voltage to "store the data". I'm no neuroscientist though. I think of it like a short term SSD. They do keep the data but only for a period.. then the charge leaks out slowly-- corrupting instantly.
No magic being that somehow swallows up your brain charge into some magic pool.
Do you think you can still think, "oh shit.. this sucks" while your head is rolling around if you get decapitated?
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Do you think you can still think, "oh shit.. this sucks" while your head is rolling around if you get decapitated?
The brain receives no trauma from a clean decapitation and may therefore continue to function until blood loss causes unconsciousness and death. Blood loss can take up to 4 seconds. Take a moment to count off four seconds while you look around the room; you'll likely find you can take in quite a bit visually and aurally during that time.
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The consciousness that we are is unique to the body it inhabits, but everything within us has always existed.
From the first instant of what we know as the physical universe there was a little piece of stuff that was going to be us.
That stuff will go on to somewhere else. Who knows what impression we've left on it when it passes, but we have altered its trajectory in existence.
Existence is a piece of art still being created. Who knows what the final expression will be. It is beyond any of us.
All we can do is offer up our contribution and enjoy the ride.
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A holographic model captures an understandable example of the brain. Holonomic Brain Theory Much of this I do not grasp. However, simplified: All the information in a hologram is contained in every part of the hologram.
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The mind and the body are one. We think they are separate because human minds are so powerful and vast compared to the rest of nature. We are our minds!
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The mind-body problem is an ancient philosophical debate still undecided. What do you know 2100 years of philosophy doesn't?
Most of the important questions are philosophical questions.
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Is not undecided. Medical science decided it
The mind and the body are one
Science> Philosophy
I took a philosophy class and they talked about the mind body problem. Its stupid since medical science has the answer to this
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Our consciousness is more than the physical body. It is also the animating force within it.
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Nope its not more than just our bodies. We think it is
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The brain is able to perceive consciousnesses that aren't part of reality that go by entire different sets of rules and where reality's timeline plays no factor at all. Creativity is limitless
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Science understands shockingly little about the brain and even less about the nature of consciousness.
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You can probably extend your perception of the length of your life by being put into a long term coma where you can dream. Although you might get bored and run out of things to dream about.
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Consciousness is an effect, the result of physical processes.
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Consciousness is an effect, the result of physical processes.
That's hardly a fact.
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I think it's a pretty accurate statement.
Before our bodies existed we did not recognize consciousness. I can't say for certain that this means there wasn't a consciousness before, but I can say that before I was a human being I did not have a human consciousness.
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It's a logical statement that is missing proof. Proof that can be retested and verified.
You know, a fact.
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Semantics don't belong in spiritual discussion IMO.
Nothing any of us is saying is a fact. What makes your non-facts better than his?
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I'm not the one saying that science can explain consciousness.
I'm arguing that we simply don't know. And until it can be proven, there is merit to speculation.
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We have never observed consciousness that wasn't attached to a body. If you destroy the body, that consciousness ends. (Or at least enters a state in which it is no longer able to interact with our reality in any way.) You can manipulate the body to affect the consciousness. Apply a chemical that affects how brain cells work, and the consciousness will change. Insert a probe into the brain to stimulate certain brain regions, and it changes the consciousness. And where has your consciousness been hanging out before you had a body? Not even your consciousness seems to know.
All our observations are entirely consistent with the notion of consciousness being the result of physical processes. Just like this post is the result of physical processes. Call us when you have new information.
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The reason why we have never had the ability to test consciousness outside the body is because we don't quite understand or have access to other physical dimensions yet. When our spirits/souls or w/e leave the body we enter another physical dimension parallel with ours, one that can only be accessed possibly through deep meditation. Once we start to understand the other physical dimensions in our universe many questions will start to be answered..
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__Bonk__ posted:
Is not undecided. Medical science decided it
The mind and the body are one
Science> Philosophy
I took a philosophy class and they talked about the mind body problem. Its stupid since medical science has the answer to this
This is like saying that astronomy disproves God.
Neither medicine nor astronomy attempt to make claims which are beyond the reach of their tools.
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I haven't followed it more than the few links that have been put forward to the Outpost by others with an interest, but Astronomical science has a few wild theories out there. Its amusing to read up on the excitement of geeks that, just because they cannot disprove the theory of colliding multi dimensional universes, they bounce with glee that it must be true!
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Coriolus posted:
The reason why we have never had the ability to test consciousness outside the body is because we don't quite understand or have access to other physical dimensions yet. When our spirits/souls or w/e leave the body we enter another physical dimension parallel with ours, one that can only be accessed possibly through deep meditation. Once we start to understand the other physical dimensions in our universe many questions will start to be answered..
Funny little fantasy you got there. What are "physical dimensions" anyway?
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NuEM posted:
Coriolus posted:
The reason why we have never had the ability to test consciousness outside the body is because we don't quite understand or have access to other physical dimensions yet. When our spirits/souls or w/e leave the body we enter another physical dimension parallel with ours, one that can only be accessed possibly through deep meditation. Once we start to understand the other physical dimensions in our universe many questions will start to be answered..
Funny little fantasy you got there. What are "physical dimensions" anyway?
I know it sounds surreal but this is what I truly believe based on a lot of stuff I have read from various cultures and spiritual teachings from the past. Basically there are up to a dozen dimensions of which we are near the bottom or one of the lowest accessible vibrational frequencies. The others above us have beings and even entire universes within them that vibrate at frequencies that we cannot perceive. When we die our eternal selves or spirits as commonly know which I like to refer to as our true selves vibrate at a different frequency and pass into another higher level dimension that we cannot access in human form or only through deep meditation that only few beings are capable of achieving.
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Coriolus posted:
The reason why we have never had the ability to test consciousness outside the body is because we don't quite understand or have access to other physical dimensions yet. When our spirits/souls or w/e leave the body we enter another physical dimension parallel with ours, one that can only be accessed possibly through deep meditation. Once we start to understand the other physical dimensions in our universe many questions will start to be answered..
Hogwash..
you're not special, you're a biological machine designed to reproduce and then die..
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What I truly believe is that our brain is just like a computer. Our soul is what operates the computer. So just like in a MMO when your aviator dies the person sitting at the computer can choose to do something else or play again. The aviator has as much of a concept about the person playing the aviator as we do about our soul.
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Coriolus posted:
I know it sounds surreal but this is what I truly believe based on a lot of stuff I have read from various cultures and spiritual teachings from the past. Basically there are up to a dozen dimensions of which we are near the bottom or one of the lowest accessible vibrational frequencies. The others above us have beings and even entire universes within them that vibrate at frequencies that we cannot perceive. When we die our eternal selves or spirits as commonly know which I like to refer to as our true selves vibrate at a different frequency and pass into another higher level dimension that we cannot access in human form or only through deep meditation that only few beings are capable of achieving.
Reading "from various cultures and spiritual teachings from the past" isn't going to teach you anything about this. Go read the epistemology thread again.
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