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So I cooked these masterful burgers for dinner and everybody's like 'waaaah I see pink in the middle.' Burgers were well done but had a hint of pink because they were so thick. I had to recook them. What a bunch of pansies!
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I'd reply: "no one is forcing you too eat"
It's like me making a awesome ragu with fresh pasta and my brother smothering it in ketchup before tasting, it should be a hanging offense!
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I'm just to the point were I refuse to ruin food for people's moronic phobias. I stopped doing it for my wife and no she refuses to eat a steak that's well done.
My mother can take some of the best steaks on the planet and turn them in to boot leather. It's disgusting what people do to their food by over cooking it...
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I dont mind eating red meat but I have issues with red ground beef unless it was designed to be a tartar.
The reason being, when you buy ground beef from a butcher/store, they mix all kinds of different meats into the grinder - there is no guarantee to how clean the grinder is. If you buy the specialty meat destined to be a tartar, they will make it special for you to be extra clean and fresh unlike the standard ground beef.
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My wife is like that.
Burgers have to be solid brown all the way through. Worse - they can not have even a hint of juices. If they drip at all, she shrieks "theirs still blood in it! cook it more!"
I've taken to putting her burgers on the grill a solid 10 minutes before mine, and then taking them off at the same time. I have to squish it constantly to get every bit of juice out of it so that it's as much like a hard brown hockey puck as I can possibly get it.
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I dont mind eating red meat but I have issues with red ground beef unless it was designed to be a tartar.
The reason being, when you buy ground beef from a butcher/store, they mix all kinds of different meats into the grinder - there is no guarantee to how clean the grinder is. If you buy the specialty meat destined to be a tartar, they will make it special for you to be extra clean and fresh unlike the standard ground beef.
If you have a real butcher or can find one at a store that's not an asshole, you can buy whatever cut of meat you want and ask them to grind it for you.
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You can - I just mean if i'm out and get a burger then I expect it's from the set of beef the butcher has set aside with the expectation it will be cooked all the way through.
I'm a big fan of steak tartar (raw ground beef) but I know that it comes specially prepared and maintained (i've never been sick). Red steak is ok too because it has not been mixed with other cuts of beef.
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My ground beef I like cooked. Very little pink. My steak is a different story, medium to medium rare.
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People are such god damned brain washed pussies these days.
Cooking anything until it is a uniform mass of mushy gray shit isn't going to protect you from food borne illness, it's just going to protect you from ever enjoying food that doesn't taste like mod.
You are 10,000,000 times more likely to get infected by the fricken lettuce on your burger than from the meat. That mayo you pile on it? Yep, it's thousands of times more likely to kill you than if you ate the burger mod raw.
Sorry, but one of my biggest pet peeves.
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That's the scary one - the fact that raw vegetables are the biggest cause of food borne illness.
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Serve them with the lights out then...
People with irrational food issues PISS ME THE EFF OFF! Cracks me up that the vast majority of these food issues with people such as crap like "it's not the taste, it's the texture" are just the result of overly permissive parents who never forced them as kids to grow the fk up and stop being such a goddamn baby about real food.
Every day I grow more and more annoyed with the terrible eating habits of people who ruin quality food and turn to "idiot proof" but nutritionally catastrophic pre-packaged food and then keel over and blame "the American diet"...
My fkn stepmother pulls that bs with the burgers. If I grill up a platterfull for a bunch of people she grabs the biggest thickest looking one and then bites into it and makes a big deal that it's still got pink in the middle. Of course I'll tell her that she picked one of the med-rare ones and she'll make a face as she looks at the well done ones which look like hockey pucks, which of course she doesn't want because next to the medium rare burgers the well done ones look terrible... no siht!
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I'd reply: "no one is forcing you too eat"
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Cook their burgers A LOt and then for a joke make a real pink one for yourself, eat it, and gross them out and laugh
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It seems we are unanimous.. we need to find and murder everyone who defiles good meat!
we start ofc with everyone who eats kosher food..
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Meh, I cook my own food, so I'll eat it as overcooked as I like it.
When I make things for other people though, I don't prepare them the same. I cooked a bomb ass Thanksgiving dinner, and the Turkey came out awesome - but I removed it probably an hour sooner than I would've if I was cooking for just me. I just prefer meats dryer and overcooked - I think it tastes better, and the texture is better. I know most people don't though.
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A huge percentage of Americans are idiots when it comes to overcooking. I've never been anywhere else in the world where people so criminally overcook their food.
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Why are you guys so melty about how people prefer their food? 
I can somewhat understand if the person is being irrational about the food being 'gross' or thinking they'll pick up something from it, and won't just try it prepared the way it's supposed to be.
OTOH, regardless of how great moist turkey/chicken meat is supposed to be, I do not enjoy it. The texture and taste isn't good. I much prefer the white meat cooked dry and stringy - so you can pull strips like string cheese. MMmmmm. I won't cook it like that for other people though, just me. However, I will make it like that for myself every time.
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It's always a bit amazing how incredibly stupid many Americans are...about just about everything. I know that this is true of people in other countries on some issues, but not EVERY issue like it is here.
I spent a couple of months in Africa and South America last year, and the average person in both places was much better informed about many issues than the average educated office worker you meet in the US. Sorta floored me that people on the street could have conversations about science and current events and whatnot, and most of them weren't spouting total stupidity.
Everyone in the US should be required to spend a year traveling abroad. It would do more to fix this stupid country than all the money being spent by every charity and the government combined.
And they might learn how to eat food that isn't pasty, spongy crap that has been nuked to hell and back. 
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Why are you guys so melty about how people prefer their food?
In my particular case the "burn the siht out of my food" types and the ultra picky eaters have created no end of problems for me in the course of my life, to the point that I pretty much refuse to prepare food for people like that. They can have what I prepare or they can prepare it themselves.
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Everyone in the US should be required to spend a year traveling abroad. It would do more to fix this stupid country than all the money being spent by every charity and the government combined.
We'd have to close our borders.. 
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It's always a bit amazing how incredibly stupid many Americans are...about just about everything. I know that this is true of people in other countries on some issues, but not EVERY issue like it is here.
I spent a couple of months in Africa and South America last year, and the average person in both places was much better informed about many issues than the average educated office worker you meet in the US. Sorta floored me that people on the street could have conversations about science and current events and whatnot, and most of them weren't spouting total stupidity.
Everyone in the US should be required to spend a year traveling abroad. It would do more to fix this stupid country than all the money being spent by every charity and the government combined.
And they might learn how to eat food that isn't pasty, spongy crap that has been nuked to hell and back.
If you want to fix a lot of the food issues in America - make McDonalds, Burger King, Wendys, Taco Bell, Roy Rogers and every other fast-food place off limits and the food served in them off limits to people under age 18. Just treat those places like they're selling cigarettes. That way parents can't feed their kids that siht, and in a generation you will have people hitting adulthood without eating total garbage. Sure some kids smoke before they're 18 and I get that, but the majority won't risk getting caught and the fines for it or for supplying minors with that siht.
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Traveling to most European destinations wouldn't be much help, the average person on the street there is almost as stupid as the average American. 
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In my particular case the "burn the siht out of my food" types and the ultra picky eaters have created no end of problems for me in the course of my life, to the point that I pretty much refuse to prepare food for people like that. They can have what I prepare or they can prepare it themselves.
I'm not picky at all btw, I won't make people overcook or specially prepare food for me. Just when I make it myself I'll do it the way I prefer. I'll pretty much always eat what a host has prepared, or try to...
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Everyone in the US should be required to spend a year traveling abroad. It would do more to fix this stupid country than all the money being spent by every charity and the government combined.
They don't even need to leave the country. America needs to end its xenophobia and war on cultural integration... There are plenty of opportunities to meet people from all over the world, but Americans are told at every turn to hate everyone with an accent or who uses anything other than salt, black pepper or bacon grease to season food...
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Cawlin posted:
In my particular case the "burn the siht out of my food" types and the ultra picky eaters have created no end of problems for me in the course of my life, to the point that I pretty much refuse to prepare food for people like that. They can have what I prepare or they can prepare it themselves.
I'm not picky at all btw, I won't make people overcook or specially prepare food for me. Just when I make it myself I'll do it the way I prefer. I'll pretty much always eat what a host has prepared, or try to...
I understand. Not trying to pick on you in particular. I'm just channeling my earlier annoyance at my GF's picky ass 7 year olod kid who turned his nose up at the delicious hearty beef stew I made today (made of ingredients that at any other time he would have eaten happily) because he knew if he bitched enough he could get his mother to make him something else to eat. Picky kid created by a dumbass picky eating mother who was created by parents who didn't make her grow the fk up.
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True that.
Lots of opportunity to learn about the world and life in general right here in the USA....but most people never take advantage of it beyond eating "Chinese food" once in a while.
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Traveling to most European destinations wouldn't be much help, the average person on the street there is almost as stupid as the average American.
I have to agree unfortunately.
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Traveling to most European destinations wouldn't be much help, the average person on the street there is almost as stupid as the average American.
Dude, England does not count! It's like the 51st state.
Where have you been in Europe?
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I understand. Not trying to pick on you in particular. I'm just channeling my earlier annoyance at my GF's picky ass 7 year olod kid who turned his nose up at the delicious hearty beef stew I made today (made of ingredients that at any other time he would have eaten happily) because he knew if he bitched enough he could get his mother to make him something else to eat. Picky kid created by a dumbass picky eating mother who was created by parents who didn't make her grow the fk up.
A mother enabling their kid after whining... say it ain't so... 
I lived with a couple as roommates once, and the gf was trying to gain some cooking skills. It was funny because she was the epitome of a picky eater, and sometimes she would make stuff she would refuse to eat. A couple times she made stuff they would both not want. I watched her almost toss out a whole meal, and was like, stop! I would sooooo eat that, don't waste that isht! In almost every case, I pretty much ate the whole meal. I miss those roommates. Better than military food. She was an ok cook, probably because of how picky she was.
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In Europe they put Mayonnaise on French fries
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Mayo and fries is pretty good.
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Ptilk posted:
Traveling to most European destinations wouldn't be much help, the average person on the street there is almost as stupid as the average American.
I have to agree unfortunately.
Unless he's talking about England; that island is frightfully stupid, uneducated, unkempt and unquestionably ugly least not forget their inedible cuisine.
I mean two fukken 1 week trips there and I only found 2 females worthy of my praises, and they were both African by origin.
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In Europe they put Mayonnaise on French fries
malt vinegar, salt.. and aioli <3
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Unless he's talking about England; that island is frightfully stupid, uneducated, unkempt and unmentionable ugly least not forget their inedible cuisine.
I mean two fukken 1 week trips there and I only found 2 females worthy of my praises, and they were both African by origin.
That is a part of Europe, no? Also I've seen more than my fair share of dumbasses on the continent.
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Unless he's talking about England; that island is frightfully stupid, uneducated, unkempt and unmentionable ugly least not forget their inedible cuisine.
I mean two fukken 1 week trips there and I only found 2 females worthy of my praises, and they were both African by origin.
That is a part of Europe, no? Also I've seen more than my fair share of dumbasses on the continent.
I try to see England for what it is, a infected appendix that is hurting the continent and will sooner or later have to be cut off..
Well we have morons on the continent too but not that kind of dense layer of idiocy that England has.. tho German charter tourists and English charter tourists have a lot in common.
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I have to admit that while I have traveled a lot I've never been on the island (nor in America) and I can't make valid comparisons. I just find our idiots to be dumb enough but that might just be me having a higher standard than most.
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Why are you guys so melty about how people prefer their food?
I know. It's a riot. I am willing to say I'll burn my food just to make them /rage.
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I have to admit that while I have traveled a lot I've never been on the island (nor in America) and I can't make valid comparisons. I just find our idiots to be dumb enough but that might just be me having a higher standard than most.
I have also traveled a lot and the only place I actually really disliked is England.. It's like this unsophisticated puss filled boil, dirty, cramped, shitty architecture...
drink was good tho.. and branstons pickles.
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My neices are like this they get it from their fat ass dad. My sister cooks two meals to keep everyone happy. When they. Visited me they were hungry for a day then started eating like they were civilized. SW Virginia requires no culture.
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Why are you guys so melty about how people prefer their food?
I know. It's a riot. I am willing to say I'll burn my food just to make them /rage.
You're a man with a very contrarian nature.. on /b/ we would call you an oppositefag.
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You can tell many or most Americans came from England because of the trail of culinary suck.
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Why are you guys so melty about how people prefer their food?
I know. It's a riot. I am willing to say I'll burn my food just to make them /rage.
You're a man with a very contrarian nature.. on /b/ we would call you an oppositefag.
C'mon you have to admit the rage people have about other's food is a riot. Who gives a shit how someone likes their steak. I like mine more rare, but if you want your burnt I could care less.
Also I don't know what /b/ means
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England doesn't count. They are even more stupid than people in the US. Probably for the same reason, too long spent as a "superpower" made the people there think they didn't need to bother learning about other people as they were obviously the best already.
Spain has some wonderful people, but they also have there fair share of idiots. Italy has even more. Germany is mostly decent, but get around some of the cities in the south, Stuttgart in particular, and you run into a whole passel of idiots. France is fine, outside of Paris that is. Netherlands is awesome, educated, articulate people everywhere...I was almost too embarrassed to talk when I was there. Sweden, Norway, Finland....little time spent in any of them but impressed by what I did see. Eastern Europe I visited back when it was all called something else.....and I spent most of my time there drinking, but people seemed smarter than me....not very high bar to cross though.
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Look, ground meat like hamburger has a LOT of surface area where bacteria can lodge in and get you sick. Whole cuts like muscle meats (steaks, roast, etc) do not have the same surface area that is not exposed to high heat, thus less chance of bacteria getting in and making you  .
It's really not all that hard to figure out. Cook the food properly (that means that you don't want a rare burger OR a well done steak, imo)
Every issue aside from safety is nothing but personal preference, fwiw.
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People are such god damned brain washed pussies these days.
Cooking anything until it is a uniform mass of mushy gray shit isn't going to protect you from food borne illness, it's just going to protect you from ever enjoying food that doesn't taste like shit.
You are 10,000,000 times more likely to get infected by the fricken lettuce on your burger than from the meat. That mayo you pile on it? Yep, it's thousands of times more likely to kill you than if you ate the burger fucking raw.
Sorry, but one of my biggest pet peeves.
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That sound about right..
there is something insular about what we in Sweden call 'herrefolk' more or less means people who come from superpowers or ex superpowers who are so caught up in their nationalistic zeitgeist that they forget to look outward.. curiosity is awesome.
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And the reason I get so peeved about peoples phobia about food is I used to be in food service and had to deal with their crazy asses superstitions and illogical beliefs for a living.
After you have had a couple of hundred screaming mothers or fathers demanding you are trying to kill their kid because they found one speck in the middle of a burger that didn't appear quite as gray as the rest of the preprocessed soy concoction (kid burgers always contain a lot of soy, it makes the texture more like mush which is what kids are trained to like) surrounding it.....you get a bit pissed about it.
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My brother and his girlfriend are like that. Very hard to please when they go out to eat.
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[quote=Azure-TheBlueOne]Why are you guys so melty about how people prefer their food?
I know. It's a riot. I am willing to say I'll burn my food just to make them /rage.
You're a man with a very contrarian nature.. on /b/ we would call you an oppositefag.
C'mon you have to admit the rage people have about other's food is a riot. Who gives a shit how someone likes their steak. I like mine more rare, but if you want your burnt I could care less.
Also I don't know what /b/ means[/quote]
I just get extremely tetchy when someone pours ketchup all over something i spent 3 hours making.. Or disses my steak because they want theirs burnt to a crisp.
Eat what is served and I will give you the same courtesy.
/b/ is a horrible place where your soul goes to die, and where you leave most of your empathy and the last of your decency behind. More or less the reason why I don't even bat an eye to the most horrific scenes of IRL carnage and death anymore.
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Look, ground meat like hamburger has a LOT of surface area where bacteria can lodge in and get you sick. Whole cuts like muscle meats (steaks, roast, etc) do not have the same surface area that is not exposed to high heat, thus less chance of bacteria getting in and making you .
It's really not all that hard to figure out. Cook the food properly (that means that you don't want a rare burger OR a well done steak, imo)
Every issue aside from safety is nothing but personal preference, fwiw.
Honestly, the overwhelmingly vast majority of food related illnesses has little or nothing to do with how much you cooked the food, but how you handled it before cooking it. Did you pick it up over your lunch hour at work and leave it in your hot trunk from 1pm til 5pm when you left work and then went home? Did you thaw it for 2 days on the counter top before cooking it?
Most of the concern and "horror stories" people hear about food are the result of institutional "issues". This means schools, and the military, who get food from contractors for the cheapest possible price - food that may not be the freshest, or might not be handled the most appropriately, then they cook hundreds and hundreds of burgers in a hurry for hungry troops or kids in a school cafeteria and there might be a rush so there might be a tendency to not cook that chicken breast in the middle to complete doneness and it might come out with a bit of salmonella.
Meanwhile most Americans in their whole lives won't cook as many burgers as some lunch lady or army cook might make in one freaking week.
I'm not advocating being reckless, but imo, all people should be required to understand enough "biology" to understand the basics of food preparation and sanitary handling. THAT should be a "health class" requirement imo for all American High School students.
As for /raging over how people like their food. I don't give a damn how you like your food. If I'm cooking, I'm going to give you reasonable choices if I'm doing something like grilling - but if you change your mind after I've started serving the burgers or steaks and now you want yours well done - instead of 15 minutes before I started cooking everyone else's food when I asked, then you're going to get the lighter and shown the way out to the grill to go and burn it yourself.
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I just get extremely tetchy when someone pours ketchup all over something i spent 3 hours making.. Or disses my steak because they want theirs burnt to a crisp.
You have to roll with the punches. Are you going to have a stroke because someone likes their steak more done than you? I know I don't. I leave it on for a few minutes longer and make them happy. It takes very little effort on my part.
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I just get extremely tetchy when someone pours ketchup all over something i spent 3 hours making.. Or disses my steak because they want theirs burnt to a crisp.
You have to roll with the punches. Are you going to have a stroke because someone likes their steak more done than you? I know I don't. I leave it on for a few minutes longer and make them happy. It takes very little effort on my part.
Yes I'm going to have a stroke, if I make someone dinner I do not take it lightly I do my outmost to reach perfection.. I mean steaks ofc you can get yours medium or well done if you want to.. but if I spent 3 hours making a ragu and you then pour ketchup all over it I'm going to be crossed.
My god damn aunt always put salt on everything before she tastes it.. I usually hide the salt..
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I just get extremely tetchy when someone pours ketchup all over something i spent 3 hours making.. Or disses my steak because they want theirs burnt to a crisp.
You have to roll with the punches. Are you going to have a stroke because someone likes their steak more done than you? I know I don't. I leave it on for a few minutes longer and make them happy. It takes very little effort on my part.
Mammagram you gotta let that roll off your back and just remember that the next time the person comes over, you can serve them bullsiht food and save some cash for good booze instead of wasting it on their meal.
My best friend did his culinary school internship in a 4 star restaurant in Pittsburgh where a dude would come in every week, order a filet mignon, have it cooked well done, order it with a bottle of ketchup and while he was eating his steak, would be smoking a cigarette (restaurants had smoking sections back then, probably like they still do in Europe).
Anyway, he would take a drag on his cig, set it down in the ash tray, saw off a piece of his hockey puck dry filet mignon, drag it through ketchup, chew it up, and exhale his cigarette smoke at the same time, put down his knife, pick up the cig, take another drag and repeat the process, lighting more cigs as needed til he was finished with his meal.
If the guy wanted to blow $75 on food like that (this was 1993) then so be it...
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It's not about personal preference, some people like well done steak. Fine, I think they are stupid but it's their choice to like their meat that way.
It's about the "OMFG you are trying to kill me" people who think that if you burn the hell out of everything you are safer.
You aren't. The majority of food borne illnesses contracted are due to how the food was handled before and after it was prepared, not how much it was cooked and the overwhelmingly vast majority of food borne illness is from uncooked VEGETABLES and cold served products, not meat or other cooked products.
It's the lettuce, the green onions, the zucchini, and the cold chicken on the salad bar that are trying to kill your kid...not the fricken hamburger that still has a tiny bit of juice in it.
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Yes I'm going to have a stroke
lol ok. Maybe I've made so many dinners and have learned to mellow out that it doesn't affect me so.
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I just get extremely tetchy when someone pours ketchup all over something i spent 3 hours making.. Or disses my steak because they want theirs burnt to a crisp.
You have to roll with the punches. Are you going to have a stroke because someone likes their steak more done than you? I know I don't. I leave it on for a few minutes longer and make them happy. It takes very little effort on my part.
Mammagram you gotta let that roll off your back and just remember that the next time the person comes over, you can serve them bullsiht food and save some cash for good booze instead of wasting it on their meal.
My best friend did his culinary school internship in a 4 star restaurant in Pittsburgh where a dude would come in every week, order a filet mignon, have it cooked well done, order it with a bottle of ketchup and while he was eating his steak, would be smoking a cigarette (restaurants had smoking sections back then, probably like they still do in Europe).
Anyway, he would take a drag on his cig, set it down in the ash tray, saw off a piece of his hockey puck dry filet mignon, drag it through ketchup, chew it up, and exhale his cigarette smoke at the same time, put down his knife, pick up the cig, take another drag and repeat the process, lighting more cigs as needed til he was finished with his meal.
If the guy wanted to blow $75 on food like that (this was 1993) then so be it...
Guess you're right.. I do however like the craft of making food, it's creative and makes me happy and leftovers are always awesome
You can't smoke anywhere public here.. been so for about 10 years. I have no idea about France, but we smoked everywhere in Spain
That is just horrible, then again if they paid me I would not care, it's my resources that they are ruining and my work and I do not get paid for it..
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Yes I'm going to have a stroke
lol ok. Maybe I've made so many dinners and have learned to mellow out that it doesn't affect me so.
Relax my Swedish friend.
dude, German heritage unable to relax.. efficiency, progress and perfection is more or less the national mantra.
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I am just a laid back Italian. It takes a lot to stress me out.
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I am just a laid back Italian. It takes a lot to stress me out.
I wasn't aware you had a Italian citizenship, I thought you were a Masshole?
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Guess you're right.. I do however like the craft of making food, it's creative and makes me happy and leftovers are always awesome
You can't smoke anywhere public here.. been so for about 10 years. I have no idea about France, but we smoked everywhere in Spain
That is just horrible, then again if they paid me I would not care, it's my resources that they are ruining and my work and I do not get paid for it..
Yeah, I understand that. The only time I get spun up about it is when I'm cooking for a group of people and I spend time cooking for them, not being able to partake in the conversations and socializing because I'm cooking, and I ask how they'd like their meat grilled or something and then I go and cook it and when I serve it and finally sit down and eat with everyone, some asswipe says "Oh sorry [Cawlin] I forgot to tell you, I like mine well done!" and they expect me to get up and let my food go cold as I go and burn their food for them... or "Oh I can't eat this because I can't eat onions!" and I'll ask "Are you allergic?" "No, I just can't stand them, it's not the flavor, it's the texture" or any of the other myriad of infantile food complaints that their parents never made them grow the fk up and out of.
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You can tell many or most Americans came from England because of the trail of culinary suck.
My family lineage is Norwegian, and I learned to cook from my Grandmother who could make some pretty epic meals.
I don't think it's stupid to eat food the way you prefer it prepared if you've actually tried it a few ways. It is pretty ignorant not to try something someone made before editing it, provided that person knows how to cook and you don't already know the meal.
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America has some very good, very original foods. It's just that the only people eat them are tourists from other countries, or the people immediately from the region. Take creole, for instance.
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I've only had that happen a few times Cawlin, I always reply with, "Oh, I was unaware that you weren't able to eat food that normal people eat. If you would have let me know beforehand, I would have made something special for you...like oatmeal. I think I have some instant in the cupboard if you want to make it for yourself." and continue to eat.
Anyone rude enough to pull that crap is going to get the real side of me very quickly.
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America has some very good, very original foods. It's just that the only people eat them are tourists from other countries, or the people immediately from the region. Take creole, for instance.
That's not true necessarily. People with any sort of exposure to any sort of metropolitan area tend to have well varied food tastes, but of course, nothing's worse than some fkn Brooklyn mama's boy who won't eat anything that isn't just like mama made.
In rural areas in America, food palates tend to be very bland and picky - people "don't hold much with foreign food" once you get outside of urban areas very frequently, which is definitely annoying.
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I've only had that happen a few times Cawlin, I always reply with, "Oh, I was unaware that you weren't able to eat food that normal people eat. If you would have let me know beforehand, I would have made something special for you...like oatmeal. I think I have some instant in the cupboard if you want to make it for yourself." and continue to eat.
Anyone rude enough to pull that crap is going to get the real side of me very quickly.
I wish you and I lived closer to each other lol. I'd like to hang out with you and cook and drink and argue politics until we're throwing siht at each other, and just generally be a grumpy bastard with someone of a like mind on so many issues
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If you eat your ground beef less than medium, I hope you get seriously sick from E.coli.
As to the person who said mayos more dangerous than eating raw beef, all I can do is because that is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard all year.
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Guess you're right.. I do however like the craft of making food, it's creative and makes me happy and leftovers are always awesome
You can't smoke anywhere public here.. been so for about 10 years. I have no idea about France, but we smoked everywhere in Spain
That is just horrible, then again if they paid me I would not care, it's my resources that they are ruining and my work and I do not get paid for it..
Yeah, I understand that. The only time I get spun up about it is when I'm cooking for a group of people and I spend time cooking for them, not being able to partake in the conversations and socializing because I'm cooking, and I ask how they'd like their meat grilled or something and then I go and cook it and when I serve it and finally sit down and eat with everyone, some asswipe says "Oh sorry [Cawlin] I forgot to tell you, I like mine well done!" and they expect me to get up and let my food go cold as I go and burn their food for them... or "Oh I can't eat this because I can't eat onions!" and I'll ask "Are you allergic?" "No, I just can't stand them, it's not the flavor, it's the texture" or any of the other myriad of infantile food complaints that their parents never made them grow the fk up and out of.
BBQ'ing is a lonely task unless you're a bunch of dudes and the women are inside fixing everything else, then it's awesome.. standing around the grill catching some sun sharing lies and a few cold ones.
Cooking inside isn't a problem in my condo my kitchen and my dining room is the same room so I can socialize and cook at the same time.
Yeah, I do not do vegan or allergies.. or I do not tweak my recipes after it, if there is a dietary issue I simply make something vegan enjoyable without sesamy seeds or whatever the allergy is.
My brother is tricky, he's gluten and lactose and he does not like pork.. f'kin moron that guy is, pacifist does not like weapons either or fishing or whiskey..
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Depends where your mayo and your beef comes from.
Like anything else. No food is inherently dangerous raw. Well, almost no food. It all depends on how it's been handled.
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If you eat your ground beef less than medium, I hope you get seriously sick from E.coli.
As to the person who said mayos more dangerous than eating raw beef, all I can do is because that is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard all year.
The funny thing about this is the mis/disinformation.
See, the bad e. coli that will make you sick doesn't die until it gets to 160 F (72 C).
Rare for beef is at around 120-125 degrees, medium is 145 degrees. Well done is 160 and up.
You aren't killing e. coli if you're only cooking to medium. So all of you who think that rare is begging for disease where medium isn't, are just being silly.
As for the mayo thing - it's a question of raw eggs, spoilage, and salmonella. Spoilage won't necessarily make you sick, but it will taste like siht. Salmonella is pretty rare nowadays but if it's present, it's there whether the mayo has spoiled (not the result of salmonella) or not.
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Guess you're right.. I do however like the craft of making food, it's creative and makes me happy and leftovers are always awesome
You can't smoke anywhere public here.. been so for about 10 years. I have no idea about France, but we smoked everywhere in Spain
That is just horrible, then again if they paid me I would not care, it's my resources that they are ruining and my work and I do not get paid for it..
Yeah, I understand that. The only time I get spun up about it is when I'm cooking for a group of people and I spend time cooking for them, not being able to partake in the conversations and socializing because I'm cooking, and I ask how they'd like their meat grilled or something and then I go and cook it and when I serve it and finally sit down and eat with everyone, some asswipe says "Oh sorry [Cawlin] I forgot to tell you, I like mine well done!" and they expect me to get up and let my food go cold as I go and burn their food for them... or "Oh I can't eat this because I can't eat onions!" and I'll ask "Are you allergic?" "No, I just can't stand them, it's not the flavor, it's the texture" or any of the other myriad of infantile food complaints that their parents never made them grow the fk up and out of.
BBQ'ing is a lonely task unless you're a bunch of dudes and the women are inside fixing everything else, then it's awesome.. standing around the grill catching some sun sharing lies and a few cold ones.
Cooking inside isn't a problem in my condo my kitchen and my dining room is the same room so I can socialize and cook at the same time.
Yeah, I do not do vegan or allergies.. or I do not tweak my recipes after it, if there is a dietary issue I simply make something vegan enjoyable without sesamy seeds or whatever the allergy is.
My brother is tricky, he's gluten and lactose and he does not like pork.. f'kin moron that guy is, pacifist does not like weapons either or fishing or whiskey..
See, now I don't care if a vegan or someone with some sort of allergy wants me to prepare something that they've brought. If I invite people over, I will tell them what I'm planning on serving so if they have any issues I expect them to speak up if they have issues and bring something that they can eat. One friend regularly brings over these nasty vegan burgers whenever I am grilling and asks me to throw those on for him, which I am happy to do.
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We would probably get along just fine Cawlin. My best friend is a lawyer AND a banker and a staunch conservative Republican.
I have no problem cooking for people who don't like certain things...if I know about it before hand. Lots of people don't like fish or seafood or have allergies to certain things. My above mentioned friend is also a vegan (how the hell that happened I'll never understand) no problem cooking that way either. It's the "I can't stand onions" or the "I hate peas" crowd that are shit out of luck, eat around them or starve.
As to the mayo thing, it is the most often mishandled item in every kitchen. Comes in big plastic tubs that get left sitting around open for hours, people dig into it with filthy knives and spoons and even bare hands when in a hurry. It gets sneezed into, eaten over, spilled into, and filled with all kinds of crap that is just scrapped off the top then the rest of it is used.
Go work in a kitchen. Then talk about food safety.
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We would probably get along just fine Cawlin. My best friend is a lawyer AND a banker and a staunch conservative Republican.
I have no problem cooking for people who don't like certain things...if I know about it before hand. Lots of people don't like fish or seafood or have allergies to certain things. My above mentioned friend is also a vegan (how the hell that happened I'll never understand) no problem cooking that way either. It's the "I can't stand onions" or the "I hate peas" crowd that are shit out of luck, eat around them or starve.
As to the mayo thing, it is the most often mishandled item in every kitchen. Comes in big plastic tubs that get left sitting around open for hours, people dig into it with filthy knives and spoons and even bare hands when in a hurry. It gets sneezed into, eaten over, spilled into, and filled with all kinds of crap that is just scrapped off the top then the rest of it is used.
Go work in a kitchen. Then talk about food safety.
I see people in kitchens mishandlefood all the time.
For instance, they will touch raw hamburger and put it n the grill.. Then without washing their hands, they will take bread, tomatoes, etc.. Contaminate the raw ingredients.
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E. coli
Big E little c.
Or spell out the full name Escherichia coli.
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give me a fork and let me loose in the cattle pen.
i quit cooking for my family because they all want their meat burned and then slathered in ketchup/A1.
and girlfriends better not want their steaks burnt either or they can damn well cook it themselves
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[quote=Manegarm]Guess you're right.. I do however like the craft of making food, it's creative and makes me happy and leftovers are always awesome
You can't smoke anywhere public here.. been so for about 10 years. I have no idea about France, but we smoked everywhere in Spain
That is just horrible, then again if they paid me I would not care, it's my resources that they are ruining and my work and I do not get paid for it..
Yeah, I understand that. The only time I get spun up about it is when I'm cooking for a group of people and I spend time cooking for them, not being able to partake in the conversations and socializing because I'm cooking, and I ask how they'd like their meat grilled or something and then I go and cook it and when I serve it and finally sit down and eat with everyone, some asswipe says "Oh sorry [Cawlin] I forgot to tell you, I like mine well done!" and they expect me to get up and let my food go cold as I go and burn their food for them... or "Oh I can't eat this because I can't eat onions!" and I'll ask "Are you allergic?" "No, I just can't stand them, it's not the flavor, it's the texture" or any of the other myriad of infantile food complaints that their parents never made them grow the fk up and out of.
BBQ'ing is a lonely task unless you're a bunch of dudes and the women are inside fixing everything else, then it's awesome.. standing around the grill catching some sun sharing lies and a few cold ones.
Cooking inside isn't a problem in my condo my kitchen and my dining room is the same room so I can socialize and cook at the same time.
Yeah, I do not do vegan or allergies.. or I do not tweak my recipes after it, if there is a dietary issue I simply make something vegan enjoyable without sesamy seeds or whatever the allergy is.
My brother is tricky, he's gluten and lactose and he does not like pork.. f'kin moron that guy is, pacifist does not like weapons either or fishing or whiskey..
See, now I don't care if a vegan or someone with some sort of allergy wants me to prepare something that they've brought. If I invite people over, I will tell them what I'm planning on serving so if they have any issues I expect them to speak up if they have issues and bring something that they can eat. One friend regularly brings over these nasty vegan burgers whenever I am grilling and asks me to throw those on for him, which I am happy to do. [/quote]
That also works, I'm however somehwat of a fan of Indian vegan cuisine so I happily munch down on lintles, beans, paprika, chili etc etc
but like you say if I'm grilling then I'm grilling, so bring your own vegan food.
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My research is partially focused on colony forming units of E. coli found in streams and rivers.
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My research is partially focused on colony forming units of E. coli found in streams and rivers.
I have some bad news for all of you.
My undergrad research was on heavy metal pollutants in streams and rivers, and comparing mRNA levels for metallothionein in Pennsylvania brook trout (Salvelinus fontinalis if you prefer), as a way to determine prolonged effect on indigenous species - of course that was back in 1992 and the work was REALLY more about establishing PCR, SDS PAGE, and northern blot protocols for the lab. I didn't think properly capitalizing bacteria would actually change the nature of the message in this thread however
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you guys should totally exchange body fluids.. srsly.
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Onslaught. posted:
My research is partially focused on colony forming units of E. coli found in streams and rivers.
I have some bad news for all of you.
My undergrad research was on heavy metal pollutants in streams and rivers, and comparing mRNA levels for metallothionein in Pennsylvania Brook Trout (Salvelinus fontinalis if you prefer), as a way to determine prolonged effect on indigenous species. I didn't think properly capitalizing bacteria would actually change the nature of the message in this thread however
It doesn't change the meaning. However, if you want to talk to people like you're some kind of expert on the subject, it might be wise to use the proper nomenclature. Just saying...
My point in that last statement was that the counts of E. coli in almost all waterways is often above the EPA's definition of "safe for human contact."
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Onslaught. posted:
Cawlin posted:
Onslaught. posted:
My research is partially focused on colony forming units of E. coli found in streams and rivers.
I have some bad news for all of you.
My undergrad research was on heavy metal pollutants in streams and rivers, and comparing mRNA levels for metallothionein in Pennsylvania Brook Trout (Salvelinus fontinalis if you prefer), as a way to determine prolonged effect on indigenous species. I didn't think properly capitalizing bacteria would actually change the nature of the message in this thread however
It doesn't change the meaning. However, if you want to talk to people like you're some kind of expert on the subject, it might be wise to use the proper nomenclature. Just saying...
My point in that last statement was that the counts of E. coli in almost all waterways is often above the EPA's definition of "safe for human contact."
I am neither a food sanitation expert, nor am I a microbiologist. I didn't put myself forward as one either. I am just a person that actually bothers to check on information - unlike the vast majority of people.
oh and... grammar burn...
Regarding CFUs of E. coli in public waterways being higher than EPA "limits", the same is true about heavy metal contaminants of mercury, cadmium, and often nickel - which really buttslammed my undergrad research because metallothionein was already at highly elevated levels in virtually all aquatic life forms I sampled... but hey, it was undergrad.
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and people think i'm an asshole.
if someone doesn't like the way something tastes, telling them to "grow up" won't change the fact that they don't like the way something tastes. you might as well suggest someone grow up and learn to orgasm from a gunshot wound to the gut.
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and people think i'm an asshole.
if someone doesn't like the way something tastes, telling them to "grow up" won't change the fact that they don't like the way something tastes. you might as well suggest someone grow up and learn to orgasm from a gunshot wound to the gut.
the difference between a gunshot wound and a perfectly cooked steak is.... nevermind
its like saying you dont like cheese burgers but ground beef in your mac n cheese is awesome.
"grow up" is the proper response to someone who wont eat meat because of the color of it.
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If I have invited someone over for dinner I cook their food the way they like it... because they are, you know, my guests and I asked them over and knew what they wanted before I did so.
That said...
A hint of pink is perfection.
So long as all the meat got above 180° and stayed there for a few minutes or three it's perfectly safe to eat, even if it's very pink.
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Cooking is a fine art, it's what differentiates us from the rest of the animals. More so than making tools or whatever criteria some people have.
When I cook for people and they don't like it I am disappointed. Vegetarians, Vegans and other crazies piss me off.
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When I have guests I want to prepare for them good food.
I don't mind making what they want, how they want it, but I'm going to buy them the best ingredients that I can afford and prepare them to the best of my ability. If they wanted cheap and poorly made, they should have picked up mcdonald's on the way over... It wouldn't hurt my feelings. My mother inlaw does it it all the time, since she only likes food that she was served as a child, and apparently grew up eating a lot of fast food and tv dinners.
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If they aren't my friends they have to live with it, I won't make any amends to please unwelcome visitors. If they are my friends they like properly prepared food or they wouldn't be my friends in the first place.
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Onslaught. posted:
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It doesn't change the meaning. However, if you want to talk to people like you're some kind of expert on the subject, it might be wise to use the proper nomenclature. Just saying...
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Ownslaught, you're gonna have a great time here!
Cause we're big on grammar, and big on discussing undergrad biology, these things truly matter.
Now STFU.
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Caoilin posted:
and people think i'm an asshole.
if someone doesn't like the way something tastes, telling them to "grow up" won't change the fact that they don't like the way something tastes. you might as well suggest someone grow up and learn to orgasm from a gunshot wound to the gut.
The vast majority of the "I hate peas" crowd, as Ptilk so aptly named them, are simply people who were picky child eaters and found a complaint or complaints that would make their mothers serve them Kraft macaroni and cheese and let them get back to their Spongebob cartoons as quickly as possible. They have never tried the various things that they say they hate or they tried them once when they were 6 and pissed off that they had to stop playing with their legos and come eat dinner and carried that into later life.
As for most of the "burn my meat" crowd - they too are the same. Someone they believed told them that unburned meat was safe and any meat that wasn't burned was raw. They find other people who know better in later life telling them that they are being silly with their safety concerns borne of lack of understanding and/or misinformation and simply change their argument to "it doesn't taste good to me" because they feel that such an argument is less likely to be challenged.
Both of these groups of people need to grow up and act like adults.
Look around yourself in America - the nation is awash in obesity and TERRIBLE eating habits and nutrition. People want fast food and pre-processed food - and while fast food isn't really healthy in any other aspect, it IS generally cooked to hell and otherwise microbially safe (which is a big part of its marketing and the primary focus of food inspections in the US - "Our food is sanitary and won't give you E. coli or salmonella!") and salted and greased up to the point that it's palatable to the Kraft macaroni and cheese crowd.
How many mothers will shove a kangaroo-burger down their kid's throat that has 80 g of fat and 1200 mg of sodium and feel completely comfortable about having given their kids good nutrition, but will have a goddamn seizure if you try to serve their kid a homemade burger from 90/10 ground chuck that has a little pink in the middle?
With both my current and my past girlfriends, I've stopped telling them what's in the food I prepare them. For whatever reason I keep finding these picky eaters, who of course, have picky kids. The kids look for every excuse in the book not to eat or to eat macaroni and cheese and they will actually sit there and go down a list of excuses that they have used in the past with their mothers:
Kid: I hate this beef stew!
Mom: Honey, it's beef, potatoes, carrots, and peas, you like all of those things
Kid: I hate the onions!
Mom: It doesn't have onions.
Kid: I hate the tomato sauce!
Mom: It doesn't have tomatoes in it at all, no sauce, no tomatoes.
Kid: It's too peppery!
Mom: ~turning to me~ [Cawlin] you do sometimes put too much pepper in things.
Me: ~glaring~ I didn't season it at all
Kid: ~smiling now as he sees an argument he thinks will gain traction~
Mom: Honey, there's no pepper in it.
Kid: ~crestfallen now~ Can't I have hot dogs and cheesy mac?
Mom: We don't have hot dogs.
Kid: It's too hot.
Mom: Then just blow on it and let it cool.
Kid: ~takes a big bite and spits it everywhere and starts trying to muster crocodile tears and yammering that he burned his mouth~ (If this had happened in my house growing up I or my sister would have gotten a backhand.)
THIS is what I see when I see adults whine about their stupid food issues. THIS is why kids like that will grow up and be "processed food" junkies and McDonalds junkies with terrible nutrition and terrible eating habits and hardened arteries and cardiovascular disease in their 40s. Hey, but at least they got to eat what tasted good to them right?
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So you having a stroke about people eating what they want is really you looking out for them.
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Every man (or woman) should be able to cook a decent meal out of a number of given fresh ingredients.
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Tych2 posted:
So you having a stroke about people eating what they want is really you looking out for them.
Nope. It's about the fact that I'm cooking dinner and I'm not making two dinners. If they want something else they can bring it or cook it themselves And I will consider them to be petulant little 6 year olds angry that they can't have their macaroni and cheese while they watch spongebob.
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NuEM posted:
Every man (or woman) should be able to cook a decent meal out of a number of given fresh ingredients.
And the sad truth is, most people can't do this in America, and many Americans prefer McDonands and Kraft Mac. and Cheese to a well prepared meal made with fresh, quality ingredients.
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Being psycho about other people's different tastes and opinions is a sign that you have the problem.
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AzureTyger posted:
Being psycho about other people's different tastes and opinions is a sign that you have the problem.
If telling people that they need to grow up and pointing out how their eating habits are killing them is being "psycho", then so be it. I'll stand beside Michelle Obama on this issue.
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They are just worried because they know and you are in denial that our meat production system is flawed at best and most if not all the beef produced in the US is contaminated and not just with bad karma..
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If you are buying poultry or pork in a conventional grocery store, just do yourself a favor and jump off a bridge. Be quicker and easier than the way you are going to go now.
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