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If you become registered Copyist, copying stuff will be part of your religion and part of freedom of religion is that no one shall be barred from practicing their religion so is that a loophole to dodge piracy laws?
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Seeking approval? You just need to justify your actions huh?
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No, it's not.
I don't know about over in Euroland, but I'm pretty sure that would violate the Establishment Clause in the U.S.
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Tych2 posted:
Seeking approval? You just need to justify your actions huh?
I dont do piracy...I buy from Russia 
Just speculating as Copyism is official state sanctioned religion in Sweden and freedom of religion laws are universal.
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You can't violate someone else's rights no matter what your religion might dictate.
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You can't violate someone else's rights no matter what your religion might dictate.
freedom of religion is a constitutional right
freedom to profit is not.
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sweeny_comodore posted:
freedom of religion is a constitutional right
Unless the religion is Islam.
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If this guy can worship Space Aliens...
Then I think you should be able to worship any torrent site you want to.
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sweeny_comodore posted:
Allstarslacker posted:
You can't violate someone else's rights no matter what your religion might dictate.
freedom of religion is a constitutional right
freedom to profit is not.
The artists have a right to be compensated for their work, and they have a right to decide who can distribute it.
Also, would you be ok with Sharia Law being enforced in the U.S.?
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the artists dont have a "right" to be compensated for anything.
their "art" is only worth what other people are willing to pay for it.
there is no set standard no forced minimum pay for art, there is no "right" to compensation for anything.
you get paid to go into work not because its your right to be compensated but because you wouldnt go if you didnt get paid.
i do, however, have a right to worship as i see fit under any religious system of my choosing.
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The law disagrees with you.
You're asking the government to enforce your religious view on another person to the contradiction of the law of the land.
So I'll ask again, would you be ok with Sharia law being enforced in the U.S.?
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No. That's not how things work.
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The law disagrees with you.
You're asking the government to enforce your religious view on another person to the contradiction of the law of the land.
So I'll ask again, would you be ok with Sharia law being enforced in the U.S.?
show me the law that says anyone is guaranteed a profit.
if profits were guaranteed, id open a business tomorrow since its legaly impossible for it to fail, right?
id sing songs and write music since im guaranteed to profit from it, right?
are you ok with sharia law being implemented?
tell me what you think makes this sharia law?
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Freedom of religion doesn't allow you to ignore neutral conduct laws. If your religion requires you to murder babies that doesn't mean you get to do it either.
The famous case is the peyote one from about 15 years ago. I think that case was wrongly decided and a lot of other people do too but no one thinks ANY religious belief should allow you to ignore ANY law that conflicts with it because of "freedom of religion."
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Show me anywhere it says you can enforce your religion on other people.
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They can't force their religion of profit on my so they can go and suck it. I pay for many songs and games, but that's because I want to, and for supporting the creators of them. It is not because they have any rights to certain permutations of bits on my hard drive.
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They can't force their religion of profit on my so they can go and suck it. I pay for many songs and games, but that's because I want to, and for supporting the creators of them. It is not because they have any rights to certain permutations of bits on my hard drive.
Exactly.
These people are inventing legalities to push one idea over another.
Why do they get to craft laws in their favor over my cinstitutional right to worship.
Is it just because they spewed their bs first?
Its nothing like the peyote case because peyote is a legaly controlled substance, profits are not. Profits are assumed where a product is desired, not guaranteed.
Freedom of religion is guaranteed.
The only rhing violated by piracy is corporate greed.
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Testerion posted:
Just speculating as Copyism is official state sanctioned religion in Sweden and freedom of religion laws are universal.
This has got to be one of the most stupid things i've ever heard.
Stealing doesn't fall under religious freedom, HTH. Can you guess why?
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Allstarslacker posted:
sweeny_comodore posted:
Allstarslacker posted:
You can't violate someone else's rights no matter what your religion might dictate.
freedom of religion is a constitutional right
freedom to profit is not.
The artists have a right to be compensated for their work, and they have a right to decide who can distribute it.
Also, would you be ok with Sharia Law being enforced in the U.S.?
Sweet, I'm going to release an album then wait for the compensation to roll in!
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Copyright issues and anti-piracy laws are a really good example of big government standing in the way of free enterprise. But the anti-government jihadists never seem to view it that way.
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Its nothing like the peyote case because peyote is a legaly controlled substance
So are copyrighted works. And they've been legally controlled for a lot longer than Peyote has.
I get it. You don't like the idea of copyrights to begin with and don't think creators should have any right to control the distribution of what they create.
But we've had the system for hundreds of years and it isn't going anywhere. Arguing it isn't a real law is stupid because it clearly is.
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Sweet, I'm going to release an album then wait for the compensation to roll in!
If you put it on the market you most certainly have the right to charge a fee for it, and the law has an obligation to attempt to prevent people from subverting your efforts by making your product available through unauthorized means.
The are always going to be thieves. This is true is the physical retail world it is also true in the virtual retail world.
I can agree with the idea that information should be freely shared, and I can agree that if an artist truly believes in art they should value it's distribution and appreciation more than the money it generates. But I don't think you should force people to give up their creations for free.
I believe one of the biggest reasons why Western culture is so rich is because we've created an environment where artists can devote their lives solely to their craft and still make a good living.
It's not just super star manufactured groups trying to make money by selling their music online. There are a lot of smaller people out there trying to sell their creations. The laws against piracy protect them as well.
I do not think it is in the long term best interest of people who enjoy consuming media to make the creation of such media less desirable. That is why I think people shouldn't steal media.
If you aren't willing to pay people for their effort I think you should at least respect them enough not to consume the product of it.
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If people think music or movies are too expensive why don't they just do without?
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Cry more bitches, it's my internet and I can do what I want on it !
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This thread is extraordinarily dumb.
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Its nothing like the peyote case because peyote is a legaly controlled substance
So are copyrighted works. And they've been legally controlled for a lot longer than Peyote has.
I get it. You don't like the idea of copyrights to begin with and don't think creators should have any right to control the distribution of what they create.
But we've had the system for hundreds of years and it isn't going anywhere. Arguing it isn't a real law is stupid because it clearly is.
LOL
you just successfully single handedly destroyed the IQ bell curve on this forum with that remark.
i think its now a flat line with a hockey stick-like end.
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Allstarslacker posted:
Szerek posted:
Sweet, I'm going to release an album then wait for the compensation to roll in!
If you put it on the market you most certainly have the right to charge a fee for it, and the law has an obligation to attempt to prevent people from subverting your efforts by making your product available through unauthorized means.
The are always going to be thieves. This is true is the physical retail world it is also true in the virtual retail world.
I can agree with the idea that information should be freely shared, and I can agree that if an artist truly believes in art they should value it's distribution and appreciation more than the money it generates. But I don't think you should force people to give up their creations for free.
I believe one of the biggest reasons why Western culture is so rich is because we've created an environment where artists can devote their lives solely to their craft and still make a good living.
It's not just super star manufactured groups trying to make money by selling their music online. There are a lot of smaller people out there trying to sell their creations. The laws against piracy protect them as well.
I do not think it is in the long term best interest of people who enjoy consuming media to make the creation of such media less desirable. That is why I think people shouldn't steal media.
If you aren't willing to pay people for their effort I think you should at least respect them enough not to consume the product of it.
a lot of the artists agree with that also.
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Great rebuttal. You've really convinced me there.
Copyright is a form of legal control. It grants the holder the right to control distribution.
You may not like it but it clearly has a long history as law and isn't going anywhere anytime soon either.
If you want to argue about excessive copyright duration and overbearing regulation like that new bill go for it. By arguing against copyright in the abstract you just show you're a moron.
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