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Huges07.1 
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We're at the mercy of the government right now. It doesn't matter if 99% of us oppose things like the Patriot Act and the most recent NDAA that Obama signed but said he'd never use against us, we're stuck with it like it or not.

What is the answer? Meet anything unconstitutional with lead poisoning? The way I see it, just asking nicely isn't going to cut it. Is there a process reserved for the people when the government quits listening? What do you do, start a petition and take it to Washington?

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Bloodshed

 

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Seriously. It sure is looking that way.

 

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At this point your best option is to put a bullet in the head of everyone who has held office for more than half a term above communal level as well as every lobbyist

 

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Vote Ron Paul!!

 

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Vote Ron Paul!!


Did you NOT read GC's post?

Sheesh.

 

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By killing themselves

 

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My posts should be required reading for all US citizens.

 

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SoBaKi posted:
Z-Elder posted:
Vote Ron Paul!!


Did you NOT read GC's post?

Sheesh.



Yeah I read a few of them a few years back. Why?

 

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Subject: How can Americans retake their freedoms and liberty?
The vast majority of US citizens, over the entire span of the countries existence, have never had any freedom or liberty....so "retaking them" is impossible.

The government, whether local, state, or federal, has always done just about whatever the hell they want to anyone they feel like doing it to.

What most people in the USA think of as "freedom" is actually the ability to deny freedom to other people and not get called an asshole by just about everyone for doing so.

 

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/INB4RONPA...


Aww, dammit!

 

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freedom and liberty is inversely proportional to the population

so the solution is simple...reduce the population

 

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We must revolt!

 

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SoBaKi posted:
Z-Elder posted:
Vote Ron Paul!!


Did you NOT read GC's post?

Sheesh.

GrilledCheez posted:
My posts should be required reading for all US citizens.


thinking


Linky?

 

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Not to play the Ron Paul card again, but why is imposing the will of our politicians on Iran more important than your personal freedoms here at home for so many of you? More important than our out of control government spending and crashing economy? Ron Paul wants to fix our country first and his first priority is the American people and many of you act like he's nuts for it.

 

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Reduce population? lolz

Vote ron paul

 

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Reform the constitution by driving the Amendment process through State Legislatures.

 

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Guys, can you be quiet? I'm trying to watch snooki on TV.

 

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Id say an Outpost driven letter writing campaign calling for the immediate removal of the unconstitutional aspects of the Patriot Act and the NDAA. Those who refuse get voted out. They'd HAVE to listen to us then!

 

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Real democracy would probably be a good start.

 

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Real democracy would be a terrible start.

Americans are idiots.

What we need is a nice level headed dictator to whip us into shape.

 

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There is no hope. Overaction to terrorism started by Bush will end with all AMericans losing their freedom

 

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Real democracy would be a terrible start.

Americans are idiots.

What we need is a nice level headed dictator to whip us into shape.


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Good dictator everything is great. Bad dictator and its hellish

Just study the Roman Empire

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Two things, the root of our problems are literally that we have allowed ourselves to stray so far from the constitution. The second is the media establishment, the massive amount of pure bullcrap that gets poured out of the media on a daily basis is society busting. And by media I don't just means the news, it is also the pundits and talk radio. Nearly all of the establishment people are partisan hacks and rabid liars pretending to be things they are not.

The mainstream news desperately pretends to be unbiased. The talk radio people fervently pretend to staunch defenders of all things America. Your supposedly public radio is overflowing with propaganda.

Turn off all of that crap, find independent sources that you can digest at your own pace and who actually provide source claims for their opinions that you yourself can verify and not get tossed on a circular track of nothingness. If you observe the news properly, you will often notice that they completely omit sources or pretend that the source isn't relevant.

 

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True democracy in a place like say the city state of athens will work... in a place of 330+ million people and roughly 3,794,083 sq miles of coverage will not work...

That said the perks need to be gone from public service they need to return it to public service so only those that truly want to help people get to the position... and if wishes were horses then beggars would ride.

 

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Sea_of_inK posted:
Real democracy would probably be a good start.


doh!

 

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In Athens mob rule ended the rules of one of its greatest leaders. The mob is fickle. The mob is unruly.

Imagine if we ran our country the way they vote on American Idol

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fools posted:
In order to be free you must surrender your right to make decisions


doh!

 

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People who opine that democracy is the solution apparently just do not grasp the historical relevance of WHY America was formed as a republic and nor do they connect the dots that demonstrate that going astray from that principle is precisely why we are in such terrible shape today.

 

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Lots of libertarians hate democracy, representative or otherwise, because when the people are given a choice they pretty much never pick the libertarian lunacy. They'll go on and on about how biased a system is that allows the governed to have a voice.

 

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At its core, Libertarianism is about social contracts and ensuring the rights of the minority and individuals have FIRM protections, with the consent of the governed, protecting the governed from being forced to do things they have not agreed to via vote OR compact.

That does not == populist unconstitutional democracy. In fact, it can't.

 

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its our duty as americans to rise up and overthrow tyranical forms of government

 

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sad but true, voting dont count for shit!~

 

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