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The Grinch posted:
I will go to the NAACP convention, and explain to the African-American community why they should demand paychecks instead of food stamps,
Let us know how that works out Newt.
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Good for Newt for at least talking that he will go.
All of the repubs minus one bailed out of their invites to the NAACP debate for the 2008 run.
Accolades to Tom Tancredo for having the stones to have gone and answer questions.
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Newt is a divider. His goal is to make it an us vs. them fight so he can blame the (blacks/muslims/jews/women/unions/protestors/democrats/etc...) and win votes by claiming he will protect the flavor-of-the speech "us" from their new-found enemy. This is a quality I look for when dismissing a presidential candidate. He's on a short list of people I absolutely will not vote for.
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Newt would be a horrible president. I didnt like him back in the Bill Clinton days.
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That sentiment is awesome. I don't see how we can have a thread about the sad state of upward mobility in america on the front page and then say that this sentiment is boneheaded. Unless you just meant it was racist to assume the NAACP is full of welfare suckas.
The problem of course, is that a large portion of our african american population does receive welfare.
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White people are the biggest recipients of food stamps. They account for ~35% of people on the program. African Americans account for ~22%.
Seems to me he'd have greater luck going to a Nascar race if he wants more people off food stamps.
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Umm. You need to think about that more. Or learn some math, yo.
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What percentage of all African Americans are on food stamp. What percentage of all whites are on food stamps?
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Taliesihne posted:
White people are the biggest recipients of food stamps. They account for ~35% of people on the program. African Americans account for ~22%.
Seems to me he'd have greater luck going to a Nascar race if he wants more people off food stamps.
Absolute numbers and percentages are difficult for some people.
Whites make up 64% of the US
Blacks make up 12% of the US
Therefore, Blacks are ~3.5-4 times more likely to be on foodstamps than whites.
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Umm. You need to think about that more. Or learn some math, yo.
You get more cost savings by reducing the total amount of people on the program. The biggest group of people on the program are White people.
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Taliesihne posted:
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Umm. You need to think about that more. Or learn some math, yo.
You get more cost savings by reducing the total amount of people on the program. The biggest group of people on the program are White people.
hahaha I like the tenacity.
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Well, if his goal isn't cost savings, what is it?
This is the context he's talking in - reducing 'welfare'.
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Changing the culture of entitlement? It's obviously something other than cost savings.
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You believe that? I sure don't.
It's dog whistle politics that everyone is trying to spin.
It's classic Newt.
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Taliesihne posted:
You believe that? I sure don't.
What else could it be? Its not cost savings since he isn't going after white people. What do you believe it is?
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He didn't issue that statement for the benefit of anyone likely to attend an NAACP meeting nor would he ever actually say something like that at an NAACP meeting.
He issued it for the type of people who think the majority of those who would attend an NAACP meeting...are on food stamps.
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What else could it be? Its not cost savings since he isn't going after white people. What do you believe it is?
Just said what I think it is and Ptilk echoes the sentiment.
He issued it for the type of people who think the majority of those who would attend an NAACP meeting...are on food stamps.
In other words, dog-whistle politics.
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Never heard of dog-whistle politics, but okay.
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You could google it :P
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Tych2 posted:
Taliesihne posted:
You believe that? I sure don't.
What else could it be? Its not cost savings since he isn't going after white people. What do you believe it is?
I'm sure he is going after white people. He's just not going to do it at the NAACP convention.
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I think it's a brilliant statement. It is just the sort of thing that goes down extremely well with the average RWN primary voter. It is a way for them to feel like black welfare queens are the problem without really coming out and saying it.
We don't really have welfare queens any more (not like we used to) but the trope was so extraordinarily politically successful in the past for the right that I can understand why an old culture warrior like Gingrich wants to resurrect it if possible.
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Its true that we mostly don't have welfare queens anymore.
Its also true that Gingrich played a part in ending it, continuing to push welfare reform even after Clinton veto'd it twice.
Presently its nothing more than a red meat soundbyte to both stir up the masses and tee up his ability to point to past accomplishments.
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Its also true that Gingrich played a part in ending it, continuing to push welfare reform even after Clinton veto'd it twice.
This is true and is definitely his greatest accomplishment.
I wonder if he regrets it now because the right has a harder time crying about black welfare queens these days to drum up support with workign class whites. Although it doesn't seem like they are having any trouble getting those votes anyhow. Despite systematically screwing them in the pooch.
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We pay out more in welfare now than we ever have. We just politically corrected it.
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Only if you define welfare in your stupidly broad way.
And another difference is now we make people cheat the system for it. I don't know if that's an improvement or not but it is a change.
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I will go to the NAACP convention, and explain to the African-American community why they should demand paychecks instead of food stamps,
What a disgustingly ignorant thing to say.
I'm not sure what's worse. What Newt said or knowing that millions of soft-headed Americans will fall for this subtle manipulation of their petty resentments.
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I will go to the NAACP convention, and explain to the African-American community why they should demand paychecks instead of food stamps,
What a disgustingly ignorant thing to say.
I'm not sure what's worse. What Newt said or knowing that millions of soft-headed Americans will fall for this subtle manipulation of their petty resentments.
It's also simplistic, because demanding paychecks doesn't magically create jobs. Most of them WANT more money than they're getting, which they realize is what will happen if they had a job. Conservative politicians make getting a steady job in that demographic sound easier than it is.
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Only if you define welfare in your stupidly broad way.
And another difference is now we make people cheat the system for it. I don't know if that's an improvement or not but it is a change.
If you give someone a check every month that is welfare. They undoubtedly use that check to pay rent, buy food, pay for school, pay for school lunches, supplement income lost to taxes.
Now if I give you a check for each of those instead it's magically not welfare right?
EIC was the single biggest success for the anti welfare crowd and it INCREASED welfare.
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And EIC is just the start. Throw in WIC, food stamps, Section 8, utility subsidies, rent subsidies, childcare subsidies, free school lunch (and breakfast), and free medical care.
And then be puzzled when people don't want to give that up to improve their lot in life.
A single parent who works 20 hours/week at minimum wage will make $8k/year in wages and get an additional $15-$20K+/year from the government.
So why should they go to college or learn a trade when they will lose all those subsidies and have to work full time for the same net result? Especially when they have been taught from birth that that is the way the way to game the system?
It is rough to overcome the indoctrination of being brought up in an entitlement household.
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