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They're planning on closing down their service and replacing it with Anti-SOPA text telling people if they like the services back, they ought to contact their represantives about SOPA.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57349540-281/sopa-opponents-may-go-nuclear-and-other-2012-predictions/
SOPA really is overdoing it, it's like fighting shoplifters by torching the shops.
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That would make me stop supporting them. I am all for protesting until it inconveniencing me.
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SOPA is one of the few measures I've written my congresspeople about. Ridiculous law.
And I've logged a couple entries on blogs/sites saying I am against it. Under my actual name.
PS: I am against it. If you couldn't tell.
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My wife alright wrote a few congress type people about it. That counts as me doing it too.
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That would make me stop supporting them. I am all for protesting until it inconveniencing me.
If SOPA goes through, all of those services would have to close down for good
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I wonder if the Outpost would be shut down because we repost copyrighted articles here all the time.
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i've written my congressman on the NDAA and sopa/pipa crap... all i got back was some copy and pasted form letter.....then the douche votes in favor of NDAA
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That would make me stop supporting them. I am all for protesting until it inconveniencing me.
If SOPA goes through, all of those services would have to close down for good
prove it?
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That would make me stop supporting them. I am all for protesting until it inconveniencing me.
If SOPA goes through, all of those services would have to close down for good
prove it?
The bill quite literally makes host responsible for all content processed through their websites. So f.ex. Google could be sued for any illegal content that gets through their filters on search engine.
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Testes is full of shit. It would hurt them (obviously, that's why they're up at arms about it), but it wouldn't kill them.
I'm not a fan of legislation specifically intended to bolster IP at the expense of individual freedom, but a lot of the potential risks are being blown out of proportion by these same companies that would have to report directly to the federal government under SOPA.
EDIT: "The bill quite literally makes host responsible for all content processed through their websites. So f.ex. Google could be sued for any illegal content that gets through their filters on search engine."
What would they be sued for, and who would be doing the suing?
The end user is still held responsible for pirated content. It's up to Google to remove such links as they're discovered. What's insane about this bill is that both Google and the Federal Government would need entire new departments just to maintain these updates. Managing a proxy server with web filtering for a large organization is a full-time job. I can't even imagine how many people it would take to proxy/filter the entire Internet.
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Isn't this about piracy?
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Testes is full of shit. It would hurt them (obviously, that's why they're up at arms about it), but it wouldn't kill them.
I'm not a fan of legislation specifically intended to bolster IP at the expense of individual freedom, but a lot of the potential risks are being blown out of proportion by these same companies that would have to report directly to the federal government under SOPA.
EDIT: "The bill quite literally makes host responsible for all content processed through their websites. So f.ex. Google could be sued for any illegal content that gets through their filters on search engine."
What would they be sued for, and who would be doing the suing?
The end user is still held responsible for pirated content. It's up to Google to remove such links as they're discovered. What's insane about this bill is that both Google and the Federal Government would need entire new departments just to maintain these updates. Managing a proxy server with web filtering for a large organization is a full-time job. I can't even imagine how many people it would take to proxy/filter the entire Internet.
It's practically impossible to filter all of internet, theres no way of making 100% foolproof filter that pirates and other unwanteds wouldnt learn to bypass within a day.
and under SOPA linking on illegal content is seen as piracy.
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Yes, it's about stopping piracy. The way they want to do it is just stupid, though. They'll block the DNS entry for a website that they determine to be in support of piracy, but you'll still be able to access it via the IP address. Basically they're doing nothing to stop piracy and just making the Internet more complicated and inconvenient.
A lot will depend on what the final bill looks like, but at the moment it looks like a steaming pile of crud.
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The bill quite literally makes host responsible for all content processed through their websites. So f.ex. Google could be sued for any illegal content that gets through their filters on search engine.
incorrect....it is worse that
what sopa does is gives the gov't the power to shut down a site based simply on an accusation by anyone claiming copyright infringement.....the company making the claim doesn't have to prove infringement.....they just say hey...they have my stuff! and bam...shut down.....
no warrant needed....no trial where evidence is given one way or the other
nothing
the company then has to go thru the year+ long process to maybe get their site back
this has already happened pre sopa
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So of course the many have to pay for the sins of the few. Nice going thieves, cheats and liars. 
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So of course the many have to pay for the sins of the few. Nice going thieves, cheats and liars.
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Should I feel bad for you since you are a thief? Why should I have sympathy for you when you are the cause of this crap. If anything you have my scorn.
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Should I feel bad for you since you are a thief? Why should I have sympathy for you when you are the cause of this crap. If anything you have my scorn.
Okay, well take this for-instance.
Someone makes a link to a song or movie on the Outpost. The link goes to a foreign site hosting pirated material.
The owner of the copyright sees this and reports his/her material to various supporting agencies (in the case of IGN, word would have to go to wherever they get their ad income). IGN receives a notice that their ad income will be stopped in 5 days if they can't prove that they aren't hosting pirated material. The notification probably goes through their ISP to the email address of their webmaster, who discovers it 6 days later. IGN's ad revenue is cut off. VNBoards is promptly shut down because it's cheaper for them to pull the plug than to investigate the matter, respond and reopen the site.
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So of course the many have to pay for the sins of the few. Nice going thieves, cheats and liars.
That's right Tych, deep throat that authoritarian penis a bit more.. We know you love it.. When is the over reaching of your government going to start to inconvenience you, when they start to read your mail, or detain you without reason.. I mean it's in the name of law, order and safety.
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Yup. It's my fault you guys are thieves. It's my fault the hammer is coming down. You guys are not only thieves and cheats but delusional. I don't support SOPA. I said that in my first post, but this is a direct action because of YOU guys. Not me. Remember that.
It's YOUR fault this is happening. YOU.
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Yup. It's my fault you guys are thieves. It's my fault the hammer is coming down. You guys are not only thieves and cheats but delusional. I don't support SOPA. I said that in my first post, but this is a direct action because of YOU guys. Not me. Remember that.
It's YOUR fault this is happening. YOU.
We are the excuse, they would have eventually found a reason to do this.. Governments hate freedom even if they are supposed to uphold them. If file sharing wasn't to blame then it would be pedophiles or terrorists or any of the other myriad of excuses that people in power use to acquire more power.
You basically just whined that "if Google is going to inconvenience me with their protests then I will whine about it like a bitch"
I believe those were you exact words. 
I'm not at fault at all here, I have done nothing immoral or really illegal.. If the people does not support a law it should not exist, this is how democracy works.. This is not going to bother me at all.. You're f'ked however, but you don't like to protest or even care about the world around you so not having the internet is not going to be that much of a bother for you.
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We are the excuse
Keep telling yourself that. Reality is you are the cause. What you are doing isn't freedom. It's theft.
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I believe those were you exact words.
Then you have a reading problem.
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I'm not at fault at all here, I have done nothing immoral or really illegal.
Keep telling yourself that.
There are two indisputable facts. You are a thief and you are the cause of this. Piss, moan and whine all you want but you are those two things.
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Nope, I'm really not... We're not going to have a SOPA law here because Swedes actually care about their liberties more then they care of the petty profits of media companies.
Yet you're still f'ked, maybe you should have taken an interest in your liberties instead of being a lazy ameriturd in the first place. 
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Nope, I'm really not.
Keep telling yourself that. I mean it's not reality, but whatever you have to tell yourself. A lot of people need to delude themselves to get through life and look themselves in the mirrors. I guess you are one of them.
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Nope, I'm really not.
Keep telling yourself that. I mean it's not reality, but whatever you have to tell yourself. A lot of people need to delude themselves to get through life and look themselves in the mirrors. I guess you are one of them.
Prohibition was wrong and was re-appealed.. File sharing is even less harmful the drinking, I'm on the side of right and the moral high ground is mine.. What the majority of the people agree on is what the politicians and lawmakers should strive to achieve this is how our system works. I know you like a more authoritarian rule where they tell you what to think and what to like, so that the minority can oppress the majority.
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Copyright violation is not theft. It's copyright violation. There's a reason we have a different term and different laws for it.
It doesn't mean it's ok, but it's different. Copying a CD is not the same as stealing one from a store.
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Justify it anyway you'd like. Bottom line is you are a thief and this is a result of your actions. Period. There is no discussion about that. Well perhaps between other thieves.
As I said I don't support the government in this action whatsoever, but you seem to think I do when I have said I don't now three times. Perhaps yous schooling isn't as grand as you'd have us believe. 
Just admit you are a thief and we can move on.
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Copyright violation is not theft. It's copyright violation. There's a reason we have a different term and different laws for it.
It doesn't mean it's ok, but it's different. Copying a CD is not the same as stealing one from a store.
I don't agree.. policing all filsharing illegalities would require us to abandon democracy.
And it's not worth it, make it legal and move on or we can just regress to the level of china and Syria to appease corporations who were to stupid and conservative to move with the times.. Fortune favors the brave who find solutions which can function with how the world really is, spotify is a good example of this.
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Manegarm posted:
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Copyright violation is not theft. It's copyright violation. There's a reason we have a different term and different laws for it.
It doesn't mean it's ok, but it's different. Copying a CD is not the same as stealing one from a store.
I don't agree.. policing all filsharing illegalities would require us to abandon democracy.
And it's not worth it, make it legal and move on or we can just regress to the level of china and Syria to appease corporations who were to stupid and conservative to move with the times.. Fortune favors the brave who find solutions which can function with how the world really is, spotify is a good example of this.
Uh, if you don't protect intellectual property at all you wouldn't have any of those files you're violating copyright protection for by sharing. No one would make Sucky FPS 7 if they knew it was perfectly legal to distribute it without their permission and without paying them anything.
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Justify it anyway you'd like. Bottom line is you are a thief and this is a result of your actions. Period. There is no discussion about that. Well perhaps between other thieves.
As I said I don't support the government in this action whatsoever, but you seem to think I do when I have said I don't now three times. Perhaps yous schooling isn't as grand as you'd have us believe.
Just admit you are a thief and we can move on.
My actions? How stupid are you? Imagine the freaking loss of bandwidth if I were connected to the US way to much slack.. Nope I conduct my business here in Europe, so you can't really blame me since I have not broken any laws in the US.
You can however blame yourself for being a lazy slob whose just now beginning to realize that you might be inconvenienced by your governments zealotry and it's natural that you don't blame yourself, find a scapegoat instead of writing your congressman I know it's a bother buhu.
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Heck, don't even need to link to illegal files, just go to the boob threads or any other of the images posted on the Outpost. The vast majority of those are posted without the copyright holder's consent. So a SOPA request could cause trouble with just those.
Copyright violations include more than just full downloads of music and movies.
Heck, if Bonk didn't like the photoshop job someone did on his photos, he could file a SOPA request against the Outpost!
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No more gameplay movies or funny movie clips to Youtube either if SOPA comes through. and Outpost can forget posting boob pics or screenshots of games...SOPA is so broad blanket ban that you're up for SOPA case if you use anything that isn't 100% created by you and doesn't even lightly hint to any brand, trademark or copyright you dont own.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
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Copyright violation is not theft. It's copyright violation. There's a reason we have a different term and different laws for it.
It doesn't mean it's ok, but it's different. Copying a CD is not the same as stealing one from a store.
I don't agree.. policing all filsharing illegalities would require us to abandon democracy.
And it's not worth it, make it legal and move on or we can just regress to the level of china and Syria to appease corporations who were to stupid and conservative to move with the times.. Fortune favors the brave who find solutions which can function with how the world really is, spotify is a good example of this.
Uh, if you don't protect intellectual property at all you wouldn't have any of those files you're violating copyright protection for by sharing. No one would make Sucky FPS 7 if they knew it was perfectly legal to distribute it without their permission and without paying them anything.
sorry Yuki I'm doing a hundred things at the same time and not really paying attention to what I'm posting here.
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Violating IP laws is not theft. Confused people like to scream like it is...and big corporations pushing strict IP laws like to encourage the confused to keep on thinking that way.
Similarly, parking in a no park zone is not murder. Even though they are both crimes. Insisting the two are equivalent in order to bolster your rant against parking violations would make you look foolish.
If someone sees your bike outside your house, takes a picture and then goes home and recreates an exact replica of your bike....did he steal your bike? Even though you lost the opportunity to resell your bike to this guy and the bike company lost the opportunity to sell him a new one....nobody would call this theft.
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Violating IP laws is not theft. Confused people like to scream like it is...and big corporations pushing strict IP laws like to encourage the confused to keep on thinking that way.
Similarly, parking in a no park zone is not murder. Even though they are both crimes. Insisting the two are equivalent in order to bolster your rant against parking violations would make you look foolish.
If someone sees your bike outside your house, takes a picture and then goes home and recreates an exact replica of your bike....did he steal your bike? Even though you lost the opportunity to resell your bike to this guy and the bike company lost the opportunity to sell him a new one....nobody would call this theft.
If you dont want to buy a game, shoplift it. Shoplifting a game and getting caught only has a minor punishment to it while downloading same copy of the game and getting caught would make you face astronomical fines or jailtime.
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Yup. Thats about the size of it. I am siding with you about the government(I have from the start), but you are lashing out at me like a petulant child because I don't support what you are doing.
You started the name calling, as usual.
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Your main argument was that this was somehow my fault, which it's clearly not since I don't live in the US. I don't really care what you think I got a majority of my countrymen who support my side and that is all that matters. 
If your feelings got hurt by my name calling, you must be new to the Outpost.
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Yup. It's my fault you guys are thieves. It's my fault the hammer is coming down. You guys are not only thieves and cheats but delusional. I don't support SOPA. I said that in my first post, but this is a direct action because of YOU guys. Not me. Remember that.
It's YOUR fault this is happening. YOU.
You don't really believe that.
Your skills are improving however
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I wrote a letter to my congressman supporting SOPA because all of the wailing makes me smile.
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Your main argument was that this was somehow my fault,
Its the fault of people like you that live in the US. They wouldn't be doing this if people like you that live in the US weren't doing the same thing you do.
Also you are incapable of hurting my feelings. I only mentioned it because once you whined about me calling you a name first. I was setting the record straight before you did that over again.
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I'M GOING TO SPEND WHOLE DAY ON PIRATEBAY JUST TO SEE IF I CAN GET USA ONE STEP CLOSER TO FASCIST REGIME!
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Tych2 posted:
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Your main argument was that this was somehow my fault,
Its the fault of people like you that live in the US. They wouldn't be doing this if people like you that live in the US weren't doing the same thing you do.
Also you are incapable of hurting my feelings. I only mentioned it because once you whined about me calling you a name first. I was setting the record straight before you did that over again.
I can't be held accountable for what people do over there and what your retarded government does, I'm in no way at fault here.
aaaaaw, I did not want to hurt your feelings..
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Should I feel bad for you since you are a thief? Why should I have sympathy for you when you are the cause of this crap. If anything you have my scorn.
Okay, well take this for-instance.
Someone makes a link to a song or movie on the Outpost. The link goes to a foreign site hosting pirated material.
The owner of the copyright sees this and reports his/her material to various supporting agencies (in the case of IGN, word would have to go to wherever they get their ad income). IGN receives a notice that their ad income will be stopped in 5 days if they can't prove that they aren't hosting pirated material. The notification probably goes through their ISP to the email address of their webmaster, who discovers it 6 days later. IGN's ad revenue is cut off. VNBoards is promptly shut down because it's cheaper for them to pull the plug than to investigate the matter, respond and reopen the site.
It's actually worse than that
If someone uses a song in a video they make. That's infringement and is against the policy. IE bare minimum YouTube, and any other video website that hosts gameplay video with background music immediately will be shut down pretty much
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aaaaaw, I did not want to hurt your feelings..
You didn't.
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Eradiani posted:
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Should I feel bad for you since you are a thief? Why should I have sympathy for you when you are the cause of this crap. If anything you have my scorn.
Okay, well take this for-instance.
Someone makes a link to a song or movie on the Outpost. The link goes to a foreign site hosting pirated material.
The owner of the copyright sees this and reports his/her material to various supporting agencies (in the case of IGN, word would have to go to wherever they get their ad income). IGN receives a notice that their ad income will be stopped in 5 days if they can't prove that they aren't hosting pirated material. The notification probably goes through their ISP to the email address of their webmaster, who discovers it 6 days later. IGN's ad revenue is cut off. VNBoards is promptly shut down because it's cheaper for them to pull the plug than to investigate the matter, respond and reopen the site.
It's actually worse than that
If someone uses a song in a video they make. That's infringement and is against the policy. IE bare minimum YouTube, and any other video website that hosts gameplay video with background music immediately will be shut down pretty much
Lets not forget that the US will loose all the corporations that actually work in this area, they will flee to greener pastures ie: Europe.
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Eradiani posted:
ZigmundZag posted:
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Should I feel bad for you since you are a thief? Why should I have sympathy for you when you are the cause of this crap. If anything you have my scorn.
Okay, well take this for-instance.
Someone makes a link to a song or movie on the Outpost. The link goes to a foreign site hosting pirated material.
The owner of the copyright sees this and reports his/her material to various supporting agencies (in the case of IGN, word would have to go to wherever they get their ad income). IGN receives a notice that their ad income will be stopped in 5 days if they can't prove that they aren't hosting pirated material. The notification probably goes through their ISP to the email address of their webmaster, who discovers it 6 days later. IGN's ad revenue is cut off. VNBoards is promptly shut down because it's cheaper for them to pull the plug than to investigate the matter, respond and reopen the site.
It's actually worse than that
If someone uses a song in a video they make. That's infringement and is against the policy. IE bare minimum YouTube, and any other video website that hosts gameplay video with background music immediately will be shut down pretty much
Actually I think YouTube will be affected least of all, since they already quickly shut down videos at the copyright holder's request. SOPA doesn't really change things for companies that were already dealing with copyright issues daily. It just adds a whole new list of companies that it affects, too. It also stipulates penalties, but I'm not sure how different they are from the existing ones.
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Actually I think YouTube will be affected least of all, since they already quickly shut down videos at the copyright holder's request. SOPA doesn't really change things for companies that were already dealing with copyright issues daily. It just adds a whole new list of companies that it affects, too. It also stipulates penalties, but I'm not sure how different they are from the existing ones.
It doesn't matter if youtube was complying or not. The fact is they have the power to just shut youtube down for merely having anything they deem violates copyright. If anyone links to an online video, that site also is in infringement and can be shut down.
It doesn't matter who will and won't be affected, what matters is handing this much power over to RIAA who feels that you need to pay for a song on each device you listen to it on.........
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Thats the thing. If the RIAA supports it, you know it's bad for america.
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It doesn't matter if youtube was complying or not. The fact is they have the power to just shut youtube down for merely having anything they deem violates copyright. If anyone links to an online video, that site also is in infringement and can be shut down.
It doesn't matter who will and won't be affected, what matters is handing this much power over to RIAA who feels that you need to pay for a song on each device you listen to it on.........
It does matter if YouTube was complying, though obviously it remains to be seen as to what consideration will be given if an IP holder gets abusive and goes after companies that really are trying to ensure that they're not hosting copyrighted information.
That said, how are they going to shut down YouTube? They can go after their ad money...which is supplied from Google...which also happens to own YouTube. The bigger companies aren't fighting this because they're interested in your rights or because they're scared they'll be shut down. They're fighting it because they're going to have to hire entire teams of content and legal specialists to stay on top of it.
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