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I might drop my atheism and join up 
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Just when you thought morons couldn't get more morony.
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il be the first to sign up from here
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I might drop my atheism and join up
YOU BETTA WATCH URSELF PALE FACE ! IF YOU EVER FILE SHARE ONE OF THE RAMONES NUANCED SONGS, AMERICA WILL BOMB YOU BACK TO THE STONE AGE !
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Just when you thought morons couldn't get more morony.
I like the way that they are thumbing their nose at all the other religions by claiming that they are being prosecuted for their religion
awesome!
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I like the way they are pretending that stealing blond haired gangsta rap and show toons is the free exchange of ideas.
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I like the way they are pretending that stealing blond haired gangsta rap and show toons is the free exchange of ideas.
record labels steal artists intellectual property
the rest of us enjoy it the way it was inteded, with our senses rather than with our pocket books.
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Haha perfect! 
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Taking files is nothing until the guy gets mad he didnt make an extra 20 million. Good thing I love to upset people 
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sweeny_comodore posted:
GrilledCheez posted:
I like the way they are pretending that stealing blond haired gangsta rap and show toons is the free exchange of ideas.
record labels steal artists intellectual property
the rest of us enjoy it the way it was inteded, with our senses rather than with our pocket books.
that content could not have been more stupid in this day and age. You could LITERALLY record an album for a hundred bucks and put it on the internet for anyone with senses to sense if you wanted to.
The amount of stupid your parents crammed into you is impressive. Second only I am sure to the  that gets crammed into you.
*EDIT* haha the moronic chsirtian likes to justify his stealing with retarded images of robin hood as well? The connection between file thieves is obvious.
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GrilledCheez posted:
sweeny_comodore posted:
GrilledCheez posted:
I like the way they are pretending that stealing blond haired gangsta rap and show toons is the free exchange of ideas.
record labels steal artists intellectual property
the rest of us enjoy it the way it was inteded, with our senses rather than with our pocket books.
that content could not have been more stupid in this day and age. You could LITERALLY record an album for a hundred bucks and put it on the internet for anyone with senses to sense if you wanted to.
The amount of stupid your parents crammed into you is impressive. Second only I am sure to the that gets crammed into you.
*EDIT* haha the moronic chsirtian likes to justify his stealing with retarded images of robin hood as well? Clearly the connection between file thieves obvious.
youre exactly right.
anyone can record music and put it out there. its when the mega entertainment corporations get involved that things are suddenly owned by someone who wont let you enjoy it without paying.
people do put out music over the internet all the time. its free. enjoy it.
isnt that how beeber was until sony claimed his intelectual property as theirs and went all nazi about it?
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If we could convert rationalization into energy, Sweden could power all of Europe using nothing but their explanations for why file sharing isn't actually stealing.
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youre exactly right.
anyone can record music and put it out there. its when the mega entertainment corporations get involved that things are suddenly owned by someone who wont let you enjoy it without paying.
people do put out music over the internet all the time. its free. enjoy it.
isnt that how beeber was until sony claimed his intelectual property as theirs and went all nazi about it?
A lot of times I'm not sure if you are actually arguing the points I am making or just saying random stupid stuff.
Just in case. If you can record things and put them out there for free. And other people can listen and share them for free all legally. Then why do any artists ever sign with Sony? And once they do, why worry about listening to the things that aren't free? Why not just stick to the billions of songs that are free and recorded by people who want to share them for free?
I think even a mental powerhouse like you can figure this out if you really put some thought into it Sweeny.
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youre exactly right.
anyone can record music and put it out there. its when the mega entertainment corporations get involved that things are suddenly owned by someone who wont let you enjoy it without paying.
people do put out music over the internet all the time. its free. enjoy it.
isnt that how beeber was until sony claimed his intelectual property as theirs and went all nazi about it?
A lot of times I'm not sure if you are actually arguing the points I am making or just saying random stupid stuff.
Just in case. If you can record things and put them out there for free. And other people can listen and share them for free all legally. Then why do any artists ever sign with Sony? And once they do, why worry about listening to the things that aren't free? Why not just stick to the billions of songs that are free and recorded by people who want to share them for free?
I think even a mental powerhouse like you can figure this out if you really put some thought into it Sweeny.
i can work on cars for free, donations, dinner, sex, a regular pay check where someone else lines them up for me....
you can shuffle any paper you want, or sit at any desk
just because i choose to let someone else line up gigs for me doesnt mean i cant still go work for sex or a good homecooked meal elsewhere.
is it stealing my services when they arent paying my employer?
is the stealing your services if you shuffle paperwork for your wife or kids and they dont pay your employer?
tell me how my employer would have ANY right to claim MY tools or skills as THEIR intellectual property or services or what have you.
they cant. it might even be against the law to claim me in such a way.
why do entertainment companies get away with claiming other peoples works?
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i can work on cars for free, donations, dinner, sex, a regular pay check where someone else lines them up for me....
you can shuffle any paper you want, or sit at any desk
just because i choose to let someone else line up gigs for me doesnt mean i cant still go work for sex or a good homecooked meal elsewhere.
is it stealing my services when they arent paying my employer?
is the stealing your services if you shuffle paperwork for your wife or kids and they dont pay your employer?
tell me how my employer would have ANY right to claim MY tools or skills as THEIR intellectual property or services or what have you.
they cant. it might even be against the law to claim me in such a way.
why do entertainment companies get away with claiming other peoples works?
So is your argument that Artists want to give you their music but can't because Sony is holding them hostage? I think this may be one of the rare situations where you are even dumber than I thought.
I'm not sure if congratulations are in order.
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im saying its not sonys call as to weather or not laws can be enforced and people be heftily fined for copyright infringement.
its up to the artists.
and yes, ive seen plenty of them, in interviews, saying piracy doesnt bother them much because they still make millions.
its assholes like metallica who arent smart enough to not be brainwashed by mega corps who think the few pennies they are losing, as a result of piracy, actually matter.
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But how did they make millions? Maybe this is all above your head. If those guys wanted to give you their music they could. They could give you and everyone else every song they've ever written and sung. Why did they not? Their opinion on what sony did after they gave the power to do it to Sony is relevant because??
The fact that you are stupid and easily manipulated is well recorded here, but I still can't figure out if you don't actually understand that they could give you their music if they wanted to, and if you wanted to you could only download legal music, but neither of you do those things. And you can't figure out why not?
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http://torrentfreak.com/50cent-file-sharing-doesnt-hurt-the-artists-071208/
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/artists-go-to-war-over-illegal-filesharing-1787959.html
i remember the old days when up and coming artists would circulate "tapes" around the highschool and people would make copies of them.
i even remember some of the local bands, trying to make it big, getting in some time at a recording studio and selling off tapes at their shows or around the highschool. i gladly bought them if i liked their stuff. i would make several copies. i would go to friends houses and theyd have something on tape that i liked and id copy it.
id copy songs off the radio, which was legal and upheld in court as legal, all the friggin time.
most of the bands never made it big. the only one that did, whos tape i didnt buy because they sucked, was squishing pumkins. the rest were kicked to the wayside and forgotten about, or they play locally still at small gigs, bars, weddings, etc.
now the mega corporations see an easy way to extend their profits and they want to control it. they want everything to go through them first rather than leaving up to the people whos actually intellectual property it is.
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But how did they make millions? Maybe this is all above your head. If those guys wanted to give you their music they could. They could give you and everyone else every song they've ever written and sung. Why did they not? Their opinion on what sony did after they gave the power to do it to Sony is relevant because??
The fact that you are stupid and easily manipulated is well recorded here, but I still can't figure out if you don't actually understand that they could give you their music if they wanted to, and if you wanted to you could only download legal music, but neither of you do those things. And you can't figure out why not?
you ever been to a live concert?
how much money do you think beyonce makes for showing up on stage one night in any given town?
you ever been in some elses car and seen stacks of legally purchased music?
think the artists are getting paid for those legal copies?
ever seen itunes?
a buck a song?!
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not sure if youve noticed but online piracy has been going on for a long time now and i still see plenty of wealthy musicians and movie producers.
not sure waht the rate of bankruptcy due to piracy actually is in the entertainment buisness but dont the majority of them still own multi million dollar homes, or even small islands?
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The type of marketing you are talking about is still perfectly legal, and is more active than ever. in fact, everyone would be better off if you stuck to only downloading those songs for free. You'd be happy. Sony would be happy. artists with sony would be happy, artists giving the music away would be happy, and everything would be legal.
But you don't. You download songs that are not intended to be passed around the school yard. Why? And what do the two completely different acts have to do with each other?
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not sure if youve noticed but online piracy has been going on for a long time now and i still see plenty of wealthy musicians and movie producers.
not sure waht the rate of bankruptcy due to piracy actually is in the entertainment buisness but dont the majority of them still own multi million dollar homes, or even small islands?
How do you think they become rich? What mechanism makes them rich? It's funny that you would use that argument. Or it would be if you were just joking and not serious.
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see above...
oh and
http://www.break.com/index/kanye-west-could-have-been-killed-2281448
look at all those people.
that cant be real.
it must be photos hopped because everyone knows people dont pay for music anymore
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"But you don't. You download songs that are not intended to be passed around the school yard. Why? And what do the two completely different acts have to do with each other?"
Because no one is going to tell me what I can do!
Because the Internet allows me to steal from others and risk very little chance of facing a consequence.
Because 30 years ago I would have just paid because I am too much of a pussy to go steal from a store so I will bask in my anonymity!
Because I am a lazy f... who expects everything I want should be provided free or at little cost and when it isn't and I can steal it, I am going to.
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Because 30 years ago I would have just paid because I am too much of a pussy to go steal from a store so I will bask in my anonymity!
30 years ago it was done one of two ways. Recorded off of the radio, after which you would transfer all the songs you like to a single cassette tape. Or, you gave the dude at school who wanted to be a DJ 5 bucks and he would make you a tape with any songs you wanted. If you were friends with said guy, your tapes were free.
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Szerek posted:
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Because 30 years ago I would have just paid because I am too much of a pussy to go steal from a store so I will bask in my anonymity!
30 years ago it was done one of two ways. Recorded off of the radio, after which you would transfer all the songs you like to a single cassette tape. Or, you gave the dude at school who wanted to be a DJ 5 bucks and he would make you a tape with any songs you wanted. If you were friends with said guy, your tapes were free.
lol, people act like this shit is new.
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Szerek posted:
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Because 30 years ago I would have just paid because I am too much of a pussy to go steal from a store so I will bask in my anonymity!
30 years ago it was done one of two ways. Recorded off of the radio, after which you would transfer all the songs you like to a single cassette tape. Or, you gave the dude at school who wanted to be a DJ 5 bucks and he would make you a tape with any songs you wanted. If you were friends with said guy, your tapes were free.
or you went to friends houses and made a copy of their album or tape
i stole from record stores in the mall all the time.
stealing from the store at the mall is stealing. the store, a localy owned private business back then, bought cases of albums and had to resell them to make their profit. i was hurting the local business more than the artist.
and everyone owned a dual cassette deck in one form or another. wtf do you think those were for? they were for the same thing the internet is for now adays.
how many millions did avatard make at the box office, despite all the piracy going on?
now you tell me how they got rich, fucktard.
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So does intellectual property exist or not?
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So does intellectual property exist or not?
you either havent been reading or you lack the comprehension to understand what youve read
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sweeny_comodore posted:
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So does intellectual property exist or not?
you either havent been reading or you lack the comprehension to understand what youve read
First goal goes to Sweeny, pitiful defence by smellymotor !
edit: just read Avatard, lol, pretty funny
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I'm already a member of the church of Dudism.
I have to check with them if it's ok to join this.
Btw what is the address to their tracker?
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Because 30 years ago I would have just paid because I am too much of a pussy to go steal from a store so I will bask in my anonymity!
30 years ago it was done one of two ways. Recorded off of the radio, after which you would transfer all the songs you like to a single cassette tape. Or, you gave the dude at school who wanted to be a DJ 5 bucks and he would make you a tape with any songs you wanted. If you were friends with said guy, your tapes were free.
lol, people act like this shit is new.
It boggles me. I recorded off of the radio constantly 'back when'. It's no different.
Sometimes I'd end up recording some song I really liked and then I'd end up going out and buying the whole album. Imagine that!
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They get mad money from tours. More than enough (unless your a member of gramma train or some weak ass shit like that) If your an up and comming artist and I like your music I might just buy it. If the artist is all over tv, the radio and doing national/world tours. Fuck them, I'm going to steal your cheap ass cd that probably only has 2 or 3 good songs... If that.
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I don't like most musicians and I really don't like the RIAA... so couldn't care less if people are "stealing" music. Most songs downloaded or shared illegally are not lost sales.
It's not like there's any great loss to society, either. How much crappier could music possibly get?
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Guys, it's pretty simple.
Big Business is in bed with legislation/government, that is the biggest reason all of this gets so much attention.
Technically they are right to have some copyright laws, but not to sue citizens left and right and try to legislate everything possible to make sure they make money 10x off every production forever and ever.
PLus the whole "lets multiply every instance of every file sharing and write that as a loss".
That's just a bizarre fantasy.
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MP3 is teh debil for record companies. I guess newspaper industry would be in much better shape if they'd have started shoving lawyers at people reading their news online for free instead of buying the paper.
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Sweeny is so dumb he doesn't realize why his argument falls on it's own sword.
If you're concerned with the artists being taken advantage of why would you make it so they have even less money for their work?
You don't give a shit about that. Don't try to pretend you do.
You steal because you can. It's not some noble calling.
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Who says I'm concerned with the artist? Is that what your pea brain took away from this? And you call me dumb? Lol irony.
Artists make plenty of money. People are still buying their albums and paying to see them live.
Piracy isn't hurting anyone. If you believe that then I've got a bridge to sell you.
Record labels see an untapped profit bucket that they can't get their hands on because they can't gain control. They want to increase their already outrageous profits, not recoup a loss.
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So the free change of ideas is the people who recorded the music share their creativity and the people doing the downloading share their greed?
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Who says I'm concerned with the artist? Is that what your pea brain took away from this? And you call me dumb? Lol irony.
Artists make plenty of money. People are still buying their albums and paying to see them live.
Piracy isn't hurting anyone. If you believe that then I've got a bridge to sell you.
Record labels see an untapped profit bucket that they can't get their hands on because they can't gain control. They want to increase their already outrageous profits, not recoup a loss.
Clearly you don't know what irony is.
If you don't care about the artists why did you bring it up? Are you trying to justify what you're doing?
I guess what I want to know is why try to make it seem like something else? Stealing is stealing. I don't care if you do it, but don't take offense at being called a thief. It's what you are.
Also, every artist who is signed to a major label did so willingly. Same with people who have sold the rights to their creations. They agreed to it because they were made a good offer. They have the right to do that if they wish.
Piracy is hurting people because it's not just the artist, the agent and the big record label rep that are getting fucked. It's also all the little people involved in the process that are getting fucked.
Just say you steal because you don't want to pay for something that is easy to get for free. Anything beyond that is bullshit.
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where do I sign up? \o/
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this only exists because the record companies were behind the ball concerning digital versions of their products
the public obviously wanted it, so they went out and found a way to get it
the recording industry was too busy exploiting their labor to innovate. now they are paying for it
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That is moronic Elo. People wanted free stuff. The fact that it is digital is inconsequential. In fact it has always been the law in the US that you could make a digital copy of your music for your own use.
If this was purely because itunes did not exist it would be getting less prevalent right?
Just admit you do it because you would rather steal than pay. I don't think that's a unique human trait.
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The labels tried to force the same model onto the internet that they had been using for years and it failed miserably.
They're trying to go against the flow.
This leaves room for those who are innovative to get in the game. Just look at things like Pandora and Spotify etc.
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i dont steal anything
i even paid for Windows 
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paulg_68 posted:
If we could convert rationalization into energy, Sweden could power all of Europe using nothing but their explanations for why file sharing isn't actually stealing.
You can let your tongue slither around inside the asses of your corporate overlords all you want Paul, does not change the fact that if you copy something it's not theft..
File sharing is if anything the people against the power and it's here to stay. It's our right to share information no matter what the information is.. On one side you have a multitude of people a majority if you will and on the other side you have the enriched elites and the politicians they buy.
So I'm going to stand on the side of freedom of information and a free internet, keep on pandering to your betters like the dog you are.
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i dont steal anything
i even paid for Windows
I haven't pirated anything (other than currently airing anime) since college. I buy most of my games through steam and many of the games that aren't available through this are typically mmo's.
I am still for this because I hate the AA's and their pushing of things like sopa which is so over the top it's not funny
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Why pirate games when you can just buy digital copies from Russia and safe 90% of the price...all legal!
I paid 14$ for my legit copy of Skyrim
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Testerion posted:
Why pirate games when you can just buy digital copies from Russia and safe 90% of the price...all legal!
I paid 14$ for my legit copy of Skyrim
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