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He received 1 vote in my September straw poll.
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He received 1 vote in my September straw poll.
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Probably from someone who still giggles about the Santorum Google-bombing from way back.
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At least 35% of the Outpost would vote for him in the general election against Obama even if they pretend to deny it now. For 90% of our resident RWNs beating Obama is all that matters.
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When he brought his 20 week old dead baby home and made his kids hold it and kiss it kinda turned me off Santorum forever. That's just creepy. Plus he comes off as an arrogant douche.
So, no. I'd just not vote at all if he got the nod.
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When he brought his 20 week old dead baby home and made his kids hold it and kiss it kinda turned me off Santorum forever. That's just creepy. Plus he comes off as an arrogant douche.
So, no. I'd just not vote at all if he got the nod.
I had no idea he'd done such a thing, but I don't really hold it against him, either. Parents and families go through grieving in different ways.
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I hold it against him because he filmed it and invited the press to interview his 6 year old daughter about it a day later.
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When he brought his 20 week old dead baby home and made his kids hold it and kiss it kinda turned me off Santorum forever. That's just creepy. Plus he comes off as an arrogant douche.
So, no. I'd just not vote at all if he got the nod.
That is just f'kin morose.. religious people are f'kin crazy.
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When he brought his 20 week old dead baby home and made his kids hold it and kiss it kinda turned me off Santorum forever. That's just creepy.
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I hold it against him because he filmed it and invited the press to interview his 6 year old daughter about it a day later.
LOL Are you serious? One must admit that republicans are some of the weirdest folks on this planet!
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I hold it against him because he filmed it and invited the press to interview his 6 year old daughter about it a day later.
LOL Are you serious? One must admit that republicans are some of the weirdest folks on this planet!
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Santorum's Catholic, not evangelical. So he has to work EXTRA hard to keep that religious whacko street cred.
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Don't forget that it was his assertion that liberals were to blame for the Catholic Priest scandal that led to Savage googlebombing him.
Totally agree with AA - he is overcompensating and working extra hard at the religious whacko angle.
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So having just heard of this, I decided to look up some of the details. The child was born at 20 weeks, not 20 weeks old. He was premature and died at childbirth. They brought the child's body home so that the other children would know that their sibling was a real person. There were no cameras or news crews interviewing the children about it a day later as near as I can tell (the story came out when his wife published a book about it). I have no idea where you picked that up Ptilk, but you might want to get a penicillin shot before spreading it any further.
I'm not a pro-lifer. Far from it. I'm also about as far from a fan of a racist homophobe like Santorum as you can possibly imagine. But I have had people close to me lose their children late into their pregnancy and it's a difficult thing to deal with. I wouldn't have dealt with it the same way, but I don't see anything wrong with people doing so themselves. It's their loss to deal with, not mine.
There are plenty of things far worse than this to think he'd make a bad President.
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I think a lot of people will vote for him on the basis of his awesome last name.
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I think another four years of Obama will only speed up an already impossible-to-fix situation with our economy.
With that said, I would still not vote for Santorum under any condition. He's as big government as the rest, and completely nutso-whacko on social issues which I am not at all interested in.
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I'm not a pro-lifer. Far from it. I'm also about as far from a fan of a racist homophobe like Santorum as you can possibly imagine. But I have had people close to me lose their children late into their pregnancy and it's a difficult thing to deal with. I wouldn't have dealt with it the same way, but I don't see anything wrong with people doing so themselves. It's their loss to deal with, not mine.
I can see that after 20 weeks of thinking they were having a new baby this hit them hard but driving the fetus home where "they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2" is a bit much. I grew up having Nuns whack away at me for years in school, and also attending funerals. I just do not remember anything this weird, not do I remember very young kids being drug into things.
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They brought the child's body home so that the other children would know that their sibling was a real person.
Just - what, were they afraid the kids would think their parents were lying about where they'd been?
They are weirdos, plain and simple. 
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I'm not a pro-lifer. Far from it. I'm also about as far from a fan of a racist homophobe like Santorum as you can possibly imagine. But I have had people close to me lose their children late into their pregnancy and it's a difficult thing to deal with. I wouldn't have dealt with it the same way, but I don't see anything wrong with people doing so themselves. It's their loss to deal with, not mine.
I can see that after 20 weeks of thinking they were having a new baby this hit them hard but driving the fetus home where "they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2" is a bit much. I grew up having Nuns whack away at me for years in school, and also attending funerals. I just do not remember anything this weird, not do I remember very young kids being drug into things.
Agreed, normal people don't bring carcasses home to pass around. Even crazy people don't do that. I'm surprised that he didn't relate that story about his grandfather with them passing his body around the funeral home and has he held and kissed him he could recall how that man DUG HIM HIS FREEDOM!
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I hold it against him because he filmed it and invited the press to interview his 6 year old daughter about it a day later.
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They brought the child's body home so that the other children would know that their sibling was a real person.
Just - what, were they afraid the kids would think their parents were lying about where they'd been?
They are weirdos, plain and simple.
Some people deal with a stillbirth or death of a newborn by shutting it out and trying to get on with their lives. Others deal with it by personifying the child as much as they can. Nobody can tell you the right way to deal with something like that. They dealt with it in a way that was in accordance with their beliefs. I won't knock them for that. I'd rather focus on the fact that he's a bigot than how he dealt with the loss of his child.
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I hold it against him because he filmed it and invited the press to interview his 6 year old daughter about it a day later.
Again, this didn't happen.
FFS, what the hell has happened to the Outpost that I'm the one defending Santorum to Hughes and others?
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If you want the full story of the event, feel free to check out Cspan and watch a 1998 interview with his wife where she discusses how they brought the body home and why they took pictures with the other children holding it so they would know he had been born and lived and was now in heaven and why they felt it was a good thing to have their children tell others about his miraculous a blessed life the next day when they put the funeral notice in the paper.
It's one of the creepiest hours of old video you could ever watch. The woman appears completely demented during the entire interview and the priest who conducts it isn't far behind her. These are not normal people. They are bat shite crazy nut bags.
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Here's the c-span 1998 video:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/Gabr
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Yeah, I watched some of that last week when I first heard about it. There are a number of excerpted versions of it that I can't remember where I saw them. Probably crooks and liars.
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The C-Span interview was in 1998. Their son died in 1996. My objection wasn't to the notion that they hadn't publicized their child's death - obviously they had. My objection was to characterizing it as a media circus, where Rick filmed it and the children were interviewed about it the next day. I can find nothing to verify either of these claims.
There's no way in hell I'm listening to an hour of those two droning on for an hour, but if there's anything in there that supports Ptilk's statement, then I'll take the /selfpwn on this and move on.
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I don't care enough to watch a full hour of crazy either. Only reason I mentioned it was because I read a transcript of the interview and saw a clip last week and it disgusted the hell out of me.
I'm pretty sure we will almost all agree that it was a pretty weird thing to do but fits in with the radical religious rights modus. Hell, Barbara Bush brought home a miscarried fetus in a jar and showed it to George Bush back in the day....so maybe this kind of stuff is more common than I ever thought. 
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It's weird to me, but like I said I'm not going to judge his family for his beliefs or how they deal with something so profound. If nothing else it gives me a bit of smug satisfaction because Santorum HOPES to force others to accept his beliefs. And that's what people should be talking about.
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Around 45:00 is where it starts. I don't have the stomach to listen to this sort of stuff.
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Wait that was him? I had heard about the story but thought it was just some random creep.
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The people that don't consider a fetus human, get shocked and outraged when others treat a fetus like a human.
ZZ seems to have the best grasp on this, allow the family to mourn their loss as they see fit.
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Yeah of all the things to get mad at Santorum about that seems like a dumb one.
The guy is a grade-A douchecanoe, so much so that he makes other politicians - almost all grade-A douchecanoes - look positively sensible and gentlemanly.
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Completely agreed.
Attack him for gay marriage. DADT. A hundred other things.
But attacking him and his family over the loss of a child is pretty fucking low ever for the Outpost.
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Not even the most deranged right wing christian in Sweden is as f'kin crazy as Santorum..
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Obama caused republicans to lose their minds. Sad
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He obviously used the dead fetus for political gain - no matter how you slice and dice it. disgusting.
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Obama caused republicans to lose their minds. Awesome!
fixed.
edit: to be honest there wasn't much to loose either way.
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Yeah of all the things to get mad at Santorum about that seems like a dumb one.
Agreed but damn that's still creepy...
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Evrery time any politician shares a part of their life it's for political gain. That doesn't mean he only did this act for the political gains.
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His wife wrote a book about it, not him. I'm sure some of his comments on the matter have been helpful to his campaign, but I haven't seen how he's using his dead child for political gain.
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He and his wife cried about hte child recently. They are milking it. I think psychotic personalities rise to the top of business and politics.
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i dont even know who this guy is
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Republicans are running on crazy
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He and his wife cried about hte child recently. They are milking it. I think psychotic personalities rise to the top of business and politics.
Kind of like you milked being abused by your dad?
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Ya great making a personal attack because I attacked your wacko crazy politican
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You said parents crying for their dead child were milking it. I am wondering what your experience with milking it is.
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Seems Moe's hankering for a tall glass of fecal smeared liquid.
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Rick Santorum is widely known in PA as a panderer. He will literally say and do anything to get elected, so there is some history here to contextual his exploitative behavior regarding a dead fetus.
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Man republicans are pathetic. Compared to Santorum and Paul Romney seems sane
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He is a nut bag and a prick.
He throws his religious convictions out there as proof of his goodness and armor against all attacks for his crazed stupidity. His care and concern for the lives of children (and other Americans) falls short when actual health care is required however.
He thinks every woman should be forced to carry a non-viable fetus (as the one the book was written about was determined to be very early in the pregnancy) to delivery of that dead body, or the death of the mother .....whichever comes first. He doesn't believe that those forced fetus factories should be guaranteed medical coverage while they are seeing which happens first, they die or the pregnancy spontaneously aborts.
In fact, if a baby somehow manages to be born alive, screw it from then on as well. No medical coverage for them now. They are too old to give a fuck about now that their umbilical cords have dropped off.
God damn insanity. Any person who claims to be a christian but turns their back on insuring that medical aid is available to everyone.....is the worst kind of hypocrite. A totally delusional one.
I sort of wish their was a god so I could watch that bastard smack idiots like him into hell for their willfully evil misinterpretation of what goodness actually is, and for daring to claim to speak in the name of a benevolent deity, that if it really existed, would go rambo on their stupid asses and smite the world into a much better place in a fit of rage which would culminate in all of them bleeding to death out of their god kicked assholes.
And yeah, I've had this discussion with my very religious family a few times. Never seems to go over well when I get into the god kicking them in the ass part. 
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They were crying in response to Alan Colmes saying that they were crazy and that they took their dead child home for their kids to play with.
Tell me, Bonk, how many stilbirths have you had to deal with? When is it no longer okay to cry when someone attacks you over it?
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When is it no longer okay to cry when someone attacks you over it?
Would be a shot in the dark IMO... How many have you had to deal with? And based on your experience, what would you say is an acceptable amount of time?
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Would writing a book about it to coincide with your reelection campaign have any bearing on the grief you feel? How about having the book sell for more than 350 bucks each on Amazon at this time. I bet that would take some of the grief out of it eh?
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He is a nut bag and a prick.
Agree.
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He throws his religious convictions out there as proof of his goodness and armor against all attacks for his crazed stupidity. His care and concern for the lives of children (and other Americans) falls short when actual health care is required however.
Yes and no.
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He thinks every woman should be forced to carry a non-viable fetus (as the one the book was written about was determined to be very early in the pregnancy) to delivery of that dead body, or the death of the mother .....whichever comes first. He doesn't believe that those forced fetus factories should be guaranteed medical coverage while they are seeing which happens first, they die or the pregnancy spontaneously aborts.
That's not even close. I wouldn't sleep in the same house as Santorum but I think you're wrong about his position here.
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In fact, if a baby somehow manages to be born alive, screw it from then on as well. No medical coverage for them now. They are too old to give a fuck about now that their umbilical cords have dropped off.
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God damn insanity. Any person who claims to be a christian but turns their back on insuring that medical aid is available to everyone.....is the worst kind of hypocrite. A totally delusional one.
Agree. The real problem today is the cost of that care. We should crusade against that cost rather than who is picking up the bill.
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I sort of wish their was a god so I could watch that bastard smack idiots like him into hell for their willfully evil misinterpretation of what goodness actually is, and for daring to claim to speak in the name of a benevolent deity, that if it really existed, would go rambo on their stupid asses and smite the world into a much better place in a fit of rage which would culminate in all of them bleeding to death out of their god kicked assholes.
Asshole bleeding aside, Ptilk, I think you should search your heart and get right with God. You're bitter and perhaps rightly so, it's a shitty world, but at least try. Pray once and mean it.
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And yeah, I've had this discussion with my very religious family a few times. Never seems to go over well when I get into the god kicking them in the ass part.
Why would it go well? Some people grow through humility, some people are offended by it. I personally think humility is the best teacher, though hypocrisy is an essential teaching tool.
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Would writing a book about it to coincide with your reelection campaign have any bearing on the grief you feel? How about having the book sell for more than 350 bucks each on Amazon at this time. I bet that would take some of the grief out of it eh?
The book was written in 1998 by his wife.
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don't think it qualifies as a legit stillbirth if you know it's toast weeks/months in advance.
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Tell me, Bonk, how many stilbirths have you had to deal with? When is it no longer okay to cry when someone attacks you over it?
I don't think anyone attacked them for having a stillbirth; I think they attacked them for taking home the corpse and playing with it.
I just have to call a spade a spade here - that's freaking weird. Put the dead body down. You don't take it home to cuddle with the kids.
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Everybody has their own way of dealing with death.
I think it's weird to stick a penis in any part of another man's body, too, but I'm not disturbed by others doing it.
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When is it no longer okay to cry when someone attacks you over it?
Would be a shot in the dark IMO... How many have you had to deal with? And based on your experience, what would you say is an acceptable amount of time?
too many (not my own thank the FSM, at least not beyond the first six weeks), and it takes as much time as the parents need. Just because he still cries when he talks about his dead child, particularly when having to defend his family's way of mourning, doesn't make him an opportunistic panderer. He is, but that's beside the point in this case.
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At least 35% of the Outpost would vote for him in the general election against Obama even if they pretend to deny it now. For 90% of our resident RWNs saving the county is all that matters.
I corrected your wording to reflect the truth.
To tell you the truth I have no idea what Rick Santorum stands for. He was stuck with the loser title and I ignored him because of it. I'll have to talk a closer look know.
Kind of perdictable that our liberals will quickly swap their hate to whomever looks like they might win. With no facts to go with they have to start making things up right away. I bet the Obama dirt machine is working overtime on this as we sleep.
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Everybody has their own way of dealing with death.
There's a line drawn somewhere. If a person brought home their dead infant and BBQ'd it on the grill and ate it - would this just be their way of "dealing with death"? If they played hacky sack with its sad and limp little corpse until its brains burst on their driveway - could this just be dismissed as their way of "dealing with death"? If they snorted cocaine off of its tiny little ass before mailing it to a whore they once knew in Mexico with a perfect rose stuffed in its mouth - could this just be their own, personal, way of "dealing with death"?
Must we entertain any sort of strange and unusual behavior with a "oh, they're just grieving"? Or, can we in some occasions, say "Wow - they're weird!"
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At least 35% of the Outpost would vote for him in the general election against Obama even if they pretend to deny it now. For 90% of our resident RWNs saving the county is all that matters.
I corrected your wording to reflect the truth.
To tell you the truth I have no idea what Rick Santorum stands for. He was stuck with the loser title and I ignored him because of it. I'll have to talk a closer look know.
Kind of perdictable that our liberals will quickly swap their hate to whomever looks like they might win. With no facts to go with they have to start making things up right away. I bet the Obama dirt machine is working overtime on this as we sleep.
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There's a line drawn somewhere. If a person brought home their dead infant and BBQ'd it on the grill and ate it - would this just be their way of "dealing with death"? If they played hacky sack with its sad and limp little corpse until its brains burst on their driveway - could this just be dismissed as their way of "dealing with death"? If they snorted cocaine off of its tiny little ass before mailing it to a whore they once knew in Mexico with a perfect rose stuffed in its mouth - could this just be their own, personal, way of "dealing with death"?
Must we entertain any sort of strange and unusual behavior with a "oh, they're just grieving"? Or, can we in some occasions, say "Wow - they're weird!"
Did Santorum's family do any of those things? If so, yes, I would agree that would be weird and would affect how I would feel about him as a candidate.
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There's a line drawn somewhere. If a person brought home their dead infant and BBQ'd it on the grill and ate it - would this just be their way of "dealing with death"? If they played hacky sack with its sad and limp little corpse until its brains burst on their driveway - could this just be dismissed as their way of "dealing with death"? If they snorted cocaine off of its tiny little ass before mailing it to a whore they once knew in Mexico with a perfect rose stuffed in its mouth - could this just be their own, personal, way of "dealing with death"?
Must we entertain any sort of strange and unusual behavior with a "oh, they're just grieving"? Or, can we in some occasions, say "Wow - they're weird!"
Did Santorum's family do any of those things? If so, yes, I would agree that would be weird and would affect how I would feel about him as a candidate.
I can respect your hands off approach to grieving and such but seriously - You don't think bringing a dead fetus to 'term', packing it up and bringing it home to 'play with' is a bit creepy?
Fine by all means if that's what you gotta do to deal with the situation (saying this to and about Santorum), knock yourself out, but don't act all surprised and indignant when people tell you how creepy and weird it is...
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Yukishiro1 posted:
At least 35% of the Outpost would vote for him in the general election against Obama even if they pretend to deny it now. For 90% of our resident RWNs saving the county is all that matters.
I corrected your wording to reflect the truth.
To tell you the truth I have no idea what Rick Santorum stands for. He was stuck with the loser title and I ignored him because of it. I'll have to talk a closer look know.
Kind of perdictable that our liberals will quickly swap their hate to whomever looks like they might win. With no facts to go with they have to start making things up right away. I bet the Obama dirt machine is working overtime on this as we sleep.
So you don't know anything about him but obviously anyone that does and attacks him must be doing so from a position without facts... Why do you say that, because you don't have any facts there fore everyone must be as dumb and lazy as you and also have no facts...
The insane logic of our resident stupid troll...
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Some of you idiots have a long way to go before your brains mature.
Taking a fetus, dicing it/stick it in a blender/use any possible way for stem cell research = good
Taking your still born home for a day so the family can grasp what happened and grieve = bad
Many of you will end up alone and dying of angst induced illnesses.
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Taking a fetus, dicing it/stick it in a blender/use any possible way for stem cell research = good
Taking your still born home for a day so the family can grasp what happened and grieve = bad
Other than your grotesque mischaracterization of both positions... What is silly or confusing about these positions? Where is the perceived silly contradiction?
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I don't hold it against him. People grieve in their own ways. I think its weird personally, but it's his and his family's business.
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From what I know about their stillbirth, they knew the child was at risk and were working with the doctors to try to save him, though the impression I get is that the doctors didn't give him a very high chance of survival. The baby had an in utero surgery the week before and things originally appeared to be going well. Then his wife developed an infection, had a fever of 105 and labor had to be induced. I haven't read all the details on it, though, so I might be mistaken. I know the possibility of aborting the fetus was mentioned, which of course the Santorums refused.
Like I've stated before, I don't agree with how they handled the situation but it's really none of my business. I also think it's weird that people will put heads of state in repose for a week before transporting them to a grave site. I find open casket funerals to be a bit strange, too. Why would you want someone's cold, lifeless body to be the last memory you have of them? But people are weird. They're particularly weird about two things - children and death. One gives them a small hope of immortality, while the other reminds them just how small that hope really is. Put them together and people tend to lose their shit, to put it bluntly. What they did didn't hurt anybody. I don't think their kids are any worse off than any other kids of fundamentalist parents for this (in fact they're at least learning to work through grief as a family instead of being shut out of the process as parents often do).
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There's a line drawn somewhere. If a person brought home their dead infant and BBQ'd it on the grill and ate it - would this just be their way of "dealing with death"? If they played hacky sack with its sad and limp little corpse until its brains burst on their driveway - could this just be dismissed as their way of "dealing with death"? If they snorted cocaine off of its tiny little ass before mailing it to a whore they once knew in Mexico with a perfect rose stuffed in its mouth - could this just be their own, personal, way of "dealing with death"?
Must we entertain any sort of strange and unusual behavior with a "oh, they're just grieving"? Or, can we in some occasions, say "Wow - they're weird!"
Did Santorum's family do any of those things?
He took it home to the kids to play with and to use as a corpse prop to take personal pictures. My point is I believe this is across the "weird" line, grieving or not.
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I will never vote for a candidate that runs their entire campaign on the basis of their religious beliefs. It's an instant down vote.
Expressing your beliefs and saying that you'll govern/legislate based on them is one thing. A lot of religious beliefs are pretty benign and mesh well with common sense morality. Creating an entire campaign based around on worshiping your respective deity is a whole other can of worms...
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I don't hold it against him. People grieve in their own ways. I think its weird personally, but it's his and his family's business.
Were that true I wouldn't know a goddamn thing about it...
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Its clear he will whore out his family to get elected. I wouldnt vote for him ever
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I don't hold it against him. People grieve in their own ways. I think its weird personally, but it's his and his family's business.
Were that true I wouldn't know a goddamn thing about it...
I didn't until some busybody posted it here.
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I don't hold it against him. People grieve in their own ways. I think its weird personally, but it's his and his family's business.
Were that true I wouldn't know a goddamn thing about it...
I didn't until some busybody posted it here.
I didn't, either.
IMO though, it is a valid thing to know about a person going into public office. It DEFINITELY gives insight into the way he thinks and presents himself to those in his closest circles. It tells me one of two things:
1) It is a long, long way to go to stage a political appearance
2) He's as bizarre on this issue as Paul is considered to be on, say, Foreign policy
Either way, it is (one of many) strikes against him in my book.
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I would venture to guess that 95% of the folks on the OP didn't know about it either.
Then someone here got an email, saw an article on Huffington Post (or something similar) or heard it on some liberal radio/tv show.
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I would venture to guess that 95% of the folks on the OP didn't know about it either.
Then someone here got an email, saw an article on Huffington Post (or something similar) or heard it on some liberal radio/tv show.
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Like I said, Alan Colmes is the guy who brought it up last week. He was trying to make a point of how crazy Santorum is by mentioning that he took home his dead baby to play with. He was forced to make an apology afterward, but by then it was already all over the political blogs.
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The stillbirth crap is weird. Having kids play with anything dead is weird.
I understand looking at it and stuff but playing with it? WTF?
We are talking President of the USA. We are not interviewing this guy for a managerial position at S-Mart.
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The same twisted windsnipes could be used against funerals, wakes, cremation, or any other way that people handle the death of loved ones.
Its funny that most of the people commenting negatively about the private family business of Santorum are the same people that meltdown about him sticking his nose in people's bedroom business.
So many little Santorums running around here.
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More troubling then the whole 'bring the dead baby home' fiasco is his 'abortion for me, but not for thee' stance.
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There are so many other nutty things about Santorum that you don't need to hang your hat on the stillbirth story.
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This was an abortion? I thought it was a still born. Have yet to go read up anything on it, or spend ah hour watching a video.
Santorum is a non factor Presidentially. Liberals are only get angry over this because they like to.
Edit: exactly Kjar.
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This was an abortion? I thought it was a still born. Have yet to go read up anything on it, or spend ah hour watching a video.
Santorum is a non factor Presidentially. Liberals are only get angry over this because they like to.
Edit: exactly Kjar.
His wife had an abortion in 1997. He gave an interview about it to the Philly Inquirer.
If you want to read about it, here is a link (note - you won't like the editorializing, but the facts are accurate)
I think they are separate incidents, but I could be wrong.
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The same twisted windsnipes could be used against funerals, wakes, cremation, or any other way that people handle the death of loved ones.
Its funny that most of the people commenting negatively about the private family business of Santorum are the same people that meltdown about him sticking his nose in people's bedroom business.
So many little Santorums running around here.
No one that I am aware of is talking about the government preventing him from taking his dead baby home. The discussion is about whether or not we are comfortable having him be the President of the USA.
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This was an abortion? I thought it was a still born. Have yet to go read up anything on it, or spend ah hour watching a video.
Santorum is a non factor Presidentially. Liberals are only get angry over this because they like to.
Edit: exactly Kjar.
His wife had an abortion in 1997. He gave an interview about it to the Philly Inquirer.
If you want to read about it, here is a link (note - you won't like the editorializing, but the facts are accurate)
I think they are separate incidents, but I could be wrong.
No, it's the same event. The editorializing is to call it an abortion, which is a flat-out lie. The child was delivered and lived outside the mother for two hours.
GAH, I hate that you dumbasses actually have me defending this bigot. At least get your facts straight. There's more than enough go after him without stooping into bullshit blogs. Hell, just before Iowa he said in regards to welfare reform "I don't want to give blacks handouts, I want to give them opportunities". Not really a terrible thing to say in and of itself, but the fact that he automatically equates welfare to blacks is pretty bad.
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Its not defending Santorum ZZ, don't think it is. Its defending the right of a family to legally mourn their dead any way they choose without public/government intrusion.
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Man ZZ has really jumped the shark and gone right of Fisted lately!
Dishonesty exists on both sides of the aisle. If you think I'm shifting my political stance to defend Santorum it says a lot more about you than it does me in my opinion.
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Its not defending Santorum ZZ, don't think it is. Its defending the right of a family to legally mourn their dead any way they choose without public/government intrusion.
It's just not a factor I'd consider in weighing him as a candidate. The fact that he would be comfortable with a Christian version of Sharia Law enforced upon us is more than enough reason for me to discount him, though.
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Its defending the right of a family to legally mourn their dead any way they choose without public/government intrusion.
No one suggested anyone 'intrude'. All we're saying is 'they are weird'.
People have the right to be as weird as they want, and other people have the right to say 'Wow - they're weird!'.
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A medically induced miscarriage that you know is going to result in the death of the fetus is an abortion.
And it's the type of choice he is looking to take away from other families - which is the real point here.
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A medically induced miscarriage that you know is going to result in the death of the fetus is an abortion.
And it's the type of choice he is looking to take away from other families - which is the real point here.
Did they medically induce? I thought they were informed of the abnormality and decided to put it in God's hands, mother and/or child be damned...
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The language I am using is what Santorum has used to describe the event.
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Is he really against abortions in those cases?
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He does not believe in exceptions for the mother's life. He's also for criminal charges.
And from further reading, it does appear the labor was medically induced. And they knew it was going to kill the baby.
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Is he only against the health exemption for partial birth or all abortions?
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Just looked it up.
He is on record stating that he is for exceptions.
Exception for rape & incest ok, even though they take a life. (Sep 2006)
Tali do you have a credible link for his no exceptions for the woman's health?
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Delivering a living child is not an abortion, induced or otherwise. Saying otherwise is playing a level of semantics that normally only Paul would delve into.
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Moe_Nox posted:
Just looked it up.
He is on record stating that he is for exceptions.
Exception for rape & incest ok, even though they take a life. (Sep 2006)
Tali do you have a credible link for his no exceptions for the woman's health?
You aren't going to consider any of the links I'm finding credible. But I trust Jezebel.
I know he signed a pledge that makes an exception for the life of the mother, but that doesn't mean he feels that way.
He is definitely against exemptions for rape\incest victims, and wants to jail any doctor that performs an abortion. If he's jailing doctors for abortion, his feelings on exemptions are pretty moot.
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ZigmundZag posted:
Delivering a living child is not an abortion, induced or otherwise. Saying otherwise is playing a level of semantics that normally only Paul would delve into.
I'm not the one playing semantic games - Santorum is.
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I would definitely say on the sliding scale that not allowing exemptions for the health of the mother is way more extreme than jailing doctors for cutting a fetus in half.
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Moe_Nox posted:
Just looked it up.
He is on record stating that he is for exceptions.
Exception for rape & incest ok, even though they take a life. (Sep 2006)
Tali do you have a credible link for his no exceptions for the woman's health?
The ole 'if your father is an asshole' exception to absolute morality...
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
I would definitely say on the sliding scale that not allowing exemptions for the health of the mother is way more extreme than jailing doctors for cutting a fetus in half.
Yes, but the problem is one affects the other. If you start jailing doctors for abortion, you are going to have an incredibly difficult time finding doctors to perform them. It won't matter if the exemption presents itself, who the hell would want to take that risk?
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Dude's got an anal problem.
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My issue with him isn't his bats**t obsession with more-pro-life-than-thou media stunts. That is part and parcel of today's Republican Party and the only reason why Mitt didn't pull the same dead-fetus stunt is because he didn't think of it first.
The main thing is his rabid gay-bashing that makes the average Republican look like towelboys for the local bath-house. He crudely tries to dog-whistle to the queerstomper vote just like Nixon playing the Southern Strategy to attract racists. The problem is that America has taken a sharp turn over the last 10-20 years on the issue and people no longer approve of gay-bashing. They have gay relatives/friends/Sobaki and the average middle-50% centrist independent voter, the guy is like Bull Connor.
Also, his name is synonymous with frothy fecal matter.
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He would be a very good VP choice for Romney. Ron Paul is too proud and he would be hard to control. Sarah Palin while hot is a dingbat
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Phlegm573 posted:
The problem is that America has taken a sharp turn over the last 10-20 years on the issue and people no longer approve of gay-bashing. They have gay relatives/friends/Sobaki and the average middle-50% centrist independent voter, the guy is like Bull Connor.
Only problem with that, is that he's a Republican. He is trying to carry middle America...
Here's a map of middle America according to gays and lesbians.
I don't think his stance on gays really hurts his voting demographic as much as most sane people would hope. Then again, hopefully I am wrong...
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Taliesihne posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
I would definitely say on the sliding scale that not allowing exemptions for the health of the mother is way more extreme than jailing doctors for cutting a fetus in half.
Yes, but the problem is one affects the other. If you start jailing doctors for abortion, you are going to have an incredibly difficult time finding doctors to perform them. It won't matter if the exemption presents itself, who the hell would want to take that risk?
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