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She was certainly an unmitigated disaster of a choice. Things were pretty even at the time too, but Obama may have been inevitable because of dissatisfaction over Bush.
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I think it is hilarious that Obama had to choose a VP that specifically mitigated his flaws and McCain chose a VP in an attempt to play to Obama's flaws.
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No, because Obama was, and still is, the more conservative candidate. There were quite a few die hard republicans I know that voted for Obama because they did not want McCain. The talk this cycle is the same. A Romney nomination will result in votes for Obama.
This is one difference I notice between republicans and democrats. Democrats will generally vote for the democrat even if they don't like him. Around here repulicans will vote for the democrat just to piss off the republicans.
They only way I will vote Obama is if Santorum is nominated, otherwise I will write-in again.
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I voted for McCain last election despite Palin and I'd do so again. Obama just looked that bad and unfortunately was in actuality even worse than he looked.
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McCain - Obama , whats the difference. We would have gotten the same results only the left would be bitching about the pres and the right would be defending.
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No. Palin was one of several Hail Mary plays made by the McCain campaign. They knew better than anyone that the numbers didn't add up in their favor, and McCain always fancied himself a bit of a rogue on the campaign trail, so he was all about taking big risks when he was behind.
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McCain stepped on his Richard a few times misspeaking.
Without Palin it would have been very close but I think Obama would have still squeaked out a win.
The country isn't smart enough to do whats right.
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Compared to the Black messiah, John McCain had the charisma of a toothbrush.
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Compared to the Black messiah, John McCain had the charisma of a toothbrush.
I realize that his yellow smile is probably due to his POW status, but a toothbrush sure seemed like it would have added to his charisma.
TOOTHBRUSH/PALIN 2012!
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I voted for McCain last election despite Palin and I'd do so again. Obama just looked that bad and unfortunately was in actuality even worse than he looked.
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McCain got more votes because of Palin than he would have without her.
The majority of the people trashing Palin wouldn't have been voting for McCain anyway.
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Mccain/Palin was a strong ticket(especially since no one knew Palin then) but the problem was that the public became Republican weary from 8 years of Bush, and Obama has rockstar momentum. Repubs would have lost no matter what they put up.
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I would have voted for McCain right up until he embraced the crazy (GWB), took on a conservative agenda, switched his stance on torture, and basically gave up everything he believed in to try and get elected.
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The historical amnesia here is amazing. McCain was losing by 10 points in polls until he named Palin, and then suddenly he was winning by 5 points.
I remember making a thread here the day she made her speech at the convention. I thought she was a total moron and an embarassment. Literally almost every single person here was flaming me for it.
It was a lot like the Iraq war. Almost everyone on the Outpost was for Palin before they were against her.
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Palin earned the highest approval rating in the country of any governor. Her high approval rating was based purely on her ability to lead in an executive position. Her approval ratings only dropped after the DNC political machine teamed up with the MSM to make her look bad for having a retarded kid and a bastard grandchild.
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Mccain had no chance... They brought in palin to save him but she was worse than anyone could have imagined.
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"Her high approval rating was based purely on her ability to lead in an executive position."
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!!!!
Her high approval rating was due to her bringing home the pork to Alaska!
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McCain , today, needs to be blowing on his hot soup at Applebees rather than governing.
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McCain is insane....and a god damned idiot to boot. His entire platform consisted of, "Uhm....bomb some shit?" and "I nominated a hot woman as my running mate". The man got so confused who started screaming on the floor of the senate against bills he had co-sponsored and claiming anyone voting for them was un-American. Absolutely bat-shite crazy.
Much as I hate many of the things Obama has done, he is one HELL of a lot the better choice than McNutbag. Putting Palin on the ticket was a risk, it didn't hurt him with Republicans however. It did hurt him with swing voters though. Everyone but complete party faithful tools could see she was even more nuts and more of an idiot than he was.
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McCain , today, needs to be blowing a dude at Applebees rather than governing.
I fixed that for you.
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The historical amnesia here is amazing. McCain was losing by 10 points in polls until he named Palin, and then suddenly he was winning by 5 points.
No.
McCain was trailing Obama and Hillary in the polls most of summer by at the most 6-7 points.
By the end of August he had closed the gap to within 2 points. This was pre-Palin.
Palin did give him an initial boost which thrust him ahead of Obama, but it faded.
That was a combination of people actually hearing Palin speak and the financial collapse of autumn.
Palin isn't full on crazy, she is just folksy and unpolished. Or at least she was. She has came a looong way since.
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Folksy and unpolished in Republican speak, is a euphemism for she will participate in exorcisms and shoot stuff just to watch it die.
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The historical amnesia here is amazing. McCain was losing by 10 points in polls until he named Palin, and then suddenly he was winning by 5 points.
I remember making a thread here the day she made her speech at the convention. I thought she was a total moron and an embarassment. Literally almost every single person here was flaming me for it.
It was a lot like the Iraq war. Almost everyone on the Outpost was for Palin before they were against her.
Mmm, not so much.
A lot of us thought she was a good pick for McCain. That's not the same as thinking she was a good candidate for VP, though there were some in that camp too. Bonk was a pretty big cheerleader for her in those days.
http://vnboards.ign.com/outpost/b22180/108394881/p1/?17
http://vnboards.ign.com/outpost/b22180/108395724/p1/?58
And the thread you're referring to, you argued mostly with GC and Baym and a little with Rosie and Moe. Not really the same as being flamed by everybody on the Outpost, I'd say.
http://vnboards.ign.com/outpost/b22180/108466150/p1
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By the end of August he had closed the gap to within 2 points. This was pre-Palin.
No. On the first day of the RWN convention McCain was losing by 6. Three days after the convention he was winning by 3. A 10 point swing, mostly attributable to Palin.
Then the economy collapsed and he lost his chance.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#chart
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And the thread you're referring to, you argued mostly with GC and Baym and a little with Rosie and Moe. Not really the same as being flamed by everybody on the Outpost, I'd say.
You linked the same thread twice and it wasn't the one with me arguing with anyone. 
But I'll take your word for it.
Reading those other threads you can easily see that my basic point is correct. Almost everyone thought Palin was great when McCain first named her. People mostly didn't realize she was a brainless moron until after the election, when it suddenly became an article of faith that McCain lost because she was his VP and everyone saw through her immediately.
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By your own graph you completely dismiss the week before where McCain was just a couple points behind. 
McCain had trailed continuously but was making up ground.
Ofcourse she generated some interest, she was new and untainted initially, but that faded quickly with interviews.
Again I think he still would have lost without Palin, but Palin was an anchor not a buoy.
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You linked the same thread twice and it wasn't the one with me arguing with anyone.
But I'll take your word for it.
Reading those other threads you can easily see that my basic point is correct. Almost everyone thought Palin was great when McCain first named her. People mostly didn't realize she was a brainless moron until after the election, when it suddenly became an article of faith that McCain lost because she was his VP and everyone saw through her immediately.
Fixed.
A lot of conservatives and a few so-called moderates bought into her act, but I don't think there was much in terms of heartfelt support for her. A lot of it was political trolling. Conservatives here were practically giddy the first time the word "experience" was dropped in connection with Palin.
That said, Palin was intended as a game-changer (I'm almost hesitant to use that term with the upcoming movie on the topic). McCain may have been close in the polls but nowhere near where he needed to be on the electoral map in August. McCain got a bit of a bump for it - probably slightly more than the average post-convention bump - but quickly sank even before the interviews and debates showed just how dense she really was. If you want to pat yourself on the back for noticing it sooner than most of us, be my guest I suppose.
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By your own graph you completely dismiss the week before where McCain was just a couple points behind.
And then at the start of the convention he was just as far behind as he had been months ago.
The graph shows what it shows. We can argue about little details here and there but the basic picture is very clear. McCain was consistently trailing all across the summer until he announced his VP pick, when he suddenly went from 6 behind to 3 ahead, a 10 point swing.
He stayed ahead until September 15. Precisely after that date the graph swings around and Obama runs away with it.
Guess what happened on September 15? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't a bad Palin interview.
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McCain never had a chance. No Republican did.
Democrats knew this and that's why they took the chance on nominating a total noob. They could have nominated a cup of coffee and still beat the best Republican that year.
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Nonsense.
The only way the Dems would have known it was safe to nominate a noob is if they had known 6 months before it happened that Lehman was going bankrupt on September 15 and the world economy was about to fall apart.
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McCain never had a chance. No Republican did.
Democrats knew this and that's why they took the chance on nominating a total noob. They could have nominated a cup of coffee and still beat the best Republican that year.
Talk about bad revisionist history...Hillary was the presumptive nominee going into the primaries. Obama cleaned house at the caucuses and split the delegates in many of the bigger states where it was allowed. It was largely Hillary's nomination to lose, and she lost it badly.
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/Nonsense
In 2008 Abraham Lincoln would have lost to Jimmy Carter. That's how unpopular the Republicans were.
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paulg_68 posted:
Nonsense.
The only way the Dems would have known it was safe to nominate a noob is if they had known 6 months before it happened that Lehman was going bankrupt on September 15 and the world economy was about to fall apart.
And by this time, the Republicans were wishing for Romney and the Democrats were already wondering if Hillary wouldn't have been the better choice. McCain vs Obama over a backdrop of the financial meltdown was like watching a cripple fight in the Roman Coliseum.
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Hillary was the presumptive nominee going into the primaries. Obama cleaned house at the caucuses and split the delegates in many of the bigger states where it was allowed. It was largely Hillary's nomination to lose, and she lost it badly.
Someone else with a good memory.
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McCain would have lost by more without Palin. On paper she helped him in every place he was weak. Problem was, Palin was, and will always be, a beauty pagent contestant. If she had taken her opportunity seriously, she could have really been a bright light for her party. Unfortunately, she relied on populist crap and never bothered to learn anything that she'd would really need to know to govern. Now she hangs out with the neo-know-nothings and they have a nice stupid circle going that with self-destruct of its own accord.
Of course, Obama is clearly a train wreck as president, but then you do get what you deserve when you vote for fluff over substance.
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Folksy and unpolished in Republican speak, is a euphemism for she will participate in exorcisms and shoot stuff just to watch it die.
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Aerlinthian
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Would War Hero John McCain be president today if he hadn't signed up Palin for his ticket?
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The moment McCain did the coup de grâce to himself; "The fundamentals of the economy are strong" -Sept 2008
He tried to spin that afterwards but there was no recovery possible from that gaff.
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Hahahaha oh man, this is the last post in my thread where I got attacked for saying Palin was a fraud and a doofus:
Euphoric_Tristan posted:
Yuki's outta touch.
McCain's pick of Palin
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Palin's killer speech at the RNC
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run a few Jeremiah Wright videos over the next 60 days
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it's over
Got it?
PM me on 11/5, ask me how I did.
Sinlock you should call him up and ask him how he did. 
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Hahahaha oh man, this is the last post in my thread where I got attacked for saying Palin was a fraud and a doofus:
Euphoric_Tristan posted:
Yuki's outta touch.
McCain's pick of Palin
+
Palin's killer speech at the RNC
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run a few Jeremiah Wright videos over the next 60 days
=
it's over
Got it?
PM me on 11/5, ask me how I did.
Sinlock you should call him up and ask him how he did.
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Shimatta33 posted:
I voted for McCain last election despite Palin and I'd do so again. Obama just looked that bad and unfortunately was in actuality even worse than he looked.
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Hola carp! Yuki just mined gold!
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