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Like a sweet melody hitting every key. Iran is suffering badly under our sanctions and lashing out with wild threats. Meanwhile, we continue along business as usual. No chest thumping, no ratcheting up the rhetoric, just a calm and collective warning..'talk is cheap but action will have consequences'.
This is how Iran should be dealt with and what a successful foreign policy looks like. No reason to play their game of words that can only work in their favor. I can just imagine the circus show a republican president would be putting on had they been in office. 
Obama is playing a game of strategic chess and our opponent is trapped in every scenario. Your move, Mr. Ahwarrbelgarbeleaad!
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/03/world/meast/iran-u-s-/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
Iran warns U.S. over aircraft carrier
Iran was referring to the USS John C. Stennis, part of the U.S. Navy's fleet in the region. It moved last week from the Persian Gulf into the North Arabian Sea, as part of what the Navy's 5th Fleet called a pre-planned transit.
Iran said the ship's movement during Iran's naval exercises showed that the United States "understood" that Iran's maneuvers were not "suicidal or aggressive," but rather about Iran protecting its own "interests and power."
But Western diplomats last week described the naval drills -- which, according to Iranian officials, included test-firing missiles -- as further evidence of Iran's volatile behavior.
Iran's naval exercises began in the strait and also included waters in the Sea of Oman and the Indian Ocean up to the Gulf of Aden, according to IRNA.
After Tuesday's warning from Iran, a Pentagon spokesman issued a statement saying "deployment of U.S. military assets in the Persian Gulf region will continue as it has for decades."
"These carrier strike group deployments are necessary to maintain the continuity and operational support to ongoing missions in the U.S. Central Command area of responsibility," George Little said.
The United States has had forces in the Persian Gulf since World War II. Its ships sail through the Persian Gulf frequently, many on their way to and from the 5th Fleet's headquarters in Bahrain. The 5th Fleet's area of responsibility covers about 2.5 million square miles, including the Persian Gulf, which the Navy also refers to as the Arabian Gulf; the Red Sea; the Gulf of Oman and parts of the Indian Ocean.
The dispute over the Stennis began last week. Tehran said an Iranian warplane identified a U.S. carrier patrolling the area of the drills. State-run media showed a picture of the vessel.
Iran's state-run Press TV said Tuesday the images it showed last week were of the Stennis.
Tuesday's events came amid growing tensions over the Strait of Hormuz, a critical shipping channel.
Iran last week threatened to block the strait if sanctions are imposed on its oil exports. France, Britain and Germany have proposed sanctions to punish Iran's lack of cooperation on its nuclear program.
Cmdr. Amy Derrick Frost, spokeswoman for the 5th Fleet in Bahrain, responded at the time, "Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of navigation in an international strait is clearly outside the community of nations; any disruption will not be tolerated."
In his statement Tuesday, Pentagon spokesman Little said the Navy "operates under international maritime conventions to maintain a constant state of high vigilance in order to ensure the continued, safe flow of maritime traffic in waterways critical to global commerce.
"Our transits of the Strait of Hormuz continue to be in compliance with international law, which guarantees our vessels the right of transit passage. We are committed to protecting maritime freedoms that are the basis for global prosperity; this is one of the main reasons our military forces operate in the region."
The dispute has been pushing up oil prices. Nearly 17 million barrels of oil a day pass through the strait, according to the U.S. Energy Information Agency. "Flows through the Strait in 2011 were roughly 35% of all seaborne traded oil, or almost 20% of oil traded worldwide," the agency says.
"No one in this government seeks confrontation over the Strait of Hormuz," Little said. "It's important to lower the temperature."
But closing the strait would require means that likely are not available to Iran, said Jean-Paul Rodrigue, an expert in transport geography at Hofstra University. "At best, Iran can posture and potentially disrupt traffic for a short duration," he said.
China and Japan are more dependent on Persian Gulf oil than the United States is, he said, and he added that any move to close the strait would be "suicidal" to the current regime.
U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland noted Tuesday that Iran is already under sanctions for its failure to cooperate on nuclear issues.
"Frankly, we see these threats from Tehran as just increasing evidence that the international pressure is beginning to bite there and that they are feeling increasingly isolated and they are trying to divert the attention of their own public from the difficulties inside Iran, including the economic difficulties as a result of the sanctions," she said.
White House spokesman Jay Carney made similar remarks. "I think it reflects the fact that Iran is in a position of weakness. It's the latest round of Iranian threats, and it's confirmation that Tehran is under increasing pressure for its continued failures to live up to its international obligation," he said. "Iran is isolated and is seeking to divert attention from its behavior and domestic problems. This is simply a measure of the impact that sanctions have been having on Iran and the broad international support for... putting pressure on Iran and isolating Iran because of its refusal to live up to its international obligations."
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Obama is actually pushing Iran to do something the US can use as an excuse to go to war.
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We are simply guiding them to meet their international responsibilities. 
The world is a dangerous place. We should not look the other way.
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Faking It: How the Media (and govt) Manipulates the World into War
History lessons and facts. Ignore them at your own peril.
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Obama is one of the most underrated presidents of all time.
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Obama is goading them into war.
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The war has already started noobs.
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Yep America is going to war again. Expect the press and the government to start to make the case for it soon
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This happens all the time.. The media just picks and chooses when to cover it and an opinion
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so is this his reelection campaign?
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__Bonk__ posted:
Obama is actually pushing Iran to do something the US can use as an excuse to go to war.
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I don't know what is more comic, the sudden aversion the right has for war, or the fact that they treat competent diplomacy and the appropriate application of implied force as a manipulation into war. I mean granted, that's what the GOP would do (i.e. GWB) but the Dems have been sabre rattling for decades WITHOUT going to war.
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Why does the left like war and patriotism now?
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Why do you hate America? 
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The US projects weakness from the CINC and Obamatards call Iranian aggression an act of the ones amazing diplomatic skills.
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The regime in Iran needs a credible threat from the outside to keep the critics silent and the population on their side. They fear another uprising. They don't want to be the next Libya. An enemy that unites everyone is the perfect solution. And they have picked America for obvious and not so obvious reasons. America is a credible threat. Everyone knows they can and do attack if poked enough. America has the ability and the will. And unlike another potential enemy, Israel, America is quite predictable. Pissing off Israel enough may result in the whole region going boom, whereas pissing off America may result in the loss of a few ships and military installations. A price the rulers are very willing to pay if it means they can quell their internal enemies.
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Obama is trolling Iran. Rogue regimes consider sanctions to be acts of war and they act very un.predictably in response
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I think it's the other way around, only Obama is smart enough to stay on top.
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No he's really not, but the people pulling his strings sure think they are.
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Let me put it this way: If a certain Mr. Bush was president now half of America would be in an induced war frenzy and your military would be just about ready to attack Iran.
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vn_nnanji posted:
I don't know what is more comic, the sudden aversion the right has for war, or the fact that they treat competent diplomacy and the appropriate application of implied force as a manipulation into war. I mean granted, that's what the GOP would do (i.e. GWB) but the Dems have been sabre rattling for decades WITHOUT going to war.
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Thugoneous posted:
The US projects weakness from the CINC and Obamatards call Iranian aggression an act of the ones amazing diplomatic skills.
Wait...wut?
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Why does the left love war so much 
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Our spies got captured in Iran hiking.
Iran has had uniformed officers inside Iraq training and equipping insurgents to blow up Americans.
Iran captured one of our drones, they did not buy one on ebay. We were violating their air space.
There are numerous photos circulating from watchdog groups of explosions in and around Iran nuke sites
Anyone that thinks this is credible diplomacy and not acts of aggression is doing a self colonoscopy with their head.
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