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"John Lennon" - Most Punk bands wouldn't claim Lennon and The Beatles as an influence, but The Ramones were a nuanced group that shared an appreciation of his work. 
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I'd say Paul McCartney had more in common with them...simple pop songs with 3 chords and a snappy beat was pretty much his thing.
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but The Ramones were a nuanced group
Where is IMHO with his black guy laughing in the tub gif when you need it?
Of all the adjectives in the world to describe the Ramones... 
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Not news.
The Ramones had massive respect for many artists and their music was in fact very nuanced with regards to their influences. They managed to take from so many places yet still create their own signature sound which reinvented Rock and Roll and was more copied, covered and influential than any band before them, with the exception of the Beatles, who were clearly the most influential Rock band of all time.
I am not making this up. Every word can be confirmed in the writings of top musicians, rock critics. writers and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Namely, experts who know what they are talking about. (Rather than Outposters who don't.)
The Ramones were both a rebirth for an entire artform and yet too simple for people who like to think a lot of themselves...but then again people thinking a lot of themselves was part of what was wrong with rock, so maybe it's not that they are too simple but rather that many people are too narcissistic and deluded to fully appreciate them.
Thankfully not all people. Rock itself reveres them as one of the greatest Rock and Roll bands of all time. Sure, the Ramones were fans of Lennon. The current list of rock greats who are fans of the Ramones......that would take pages and pages and turn into a veritable who's who of Rock and Roll.
"One of the Seven Great Rock Bands of All Time."-Spin magazine
"Before the Ramones there was nothing." A Rock Critic.
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I agree the Ramones are a great band but I don't think you can call them "nuanced."
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Yukishiro1 posted:
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but The Ramones were a nuanced group
Where is IMHO with his black guy laughing in the tub gif when you need it?
Of all the adjectives in the world to describe the Ramones...
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I agree the Ramones are a great band but I don't think you can call them "nuanced."
Not only did I but I backed it up with facts and stuff! 
You are not really clear on the meaning of the word obviously and, ironically enough, confuse it with intricacy and/or sophistication.
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No. Nothing about the Ramones is nuanced, least of all their borrowing. Borrowing from a bunch of different people is not nuanced.
The thing that makes the Ramones a great band is their directness. They weren't embarassed to play the same three chords over and over again. It rocked and that was enough for them.
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You simply cannot get out of your own way.
The Ramones music (as in the actual music, the guitar work) is extremely nuanced. Shades of Motown, The Beach Boys, Doo Wop, Pop and Blues blended together into a cohesive whole.......you don't call that nuanced?
All this bullshit you talk about borrowing....  Once again you fail to grasp the heart of the matter.
Look up nuance and learn what the word means. Then STFU Noob!
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The closest thing to a synonym to nuanced is subtle. There is not much subtle about the Ramones.
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Here is a list of rock guitarists that I can name in 20 seconds without even thinking about it who were more "nuanced" than Johnny Ramone.
Pete Townsend - The Who (around well before the Ramones)
David Gilmour - Pink Floyd (around well before the Ramones)
Jimmy Paige - Led Zeppelin (around well before the Ramones)
Lindsey Buckingham - Fleetwood Mac (around well before the Ramones)
Alex Lifeson - Rush (around well before the Ramones)
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The closest thing to a synonym to nuanced is subtle. There is not much subtle about the Ramones.
Nuance is more nuanced than that, however just because the Ramones are simple and direct does not mean there are not multiple musical subtleties. So far we have established that your understanding of the words nuanced and subtle are as imperfect as your understanding of the Ramones.
Or perhaps one leads to the other.
You are attributing qualities of intricacy and complication to nuance and subtle which are not necessarily valid, failing to fully understand the "nuances" of either word. Then you fail to grasp The Ramones on anything but the simplest of levels. Indeed, the amount of ironic juxtapositions here are numerous.
So in conclusion your English needs work, and you need some Rock and Roll lessons. You're in luck...
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Here is a list of rock guitarists that I can name in 20 seconds without even thinking about it who were more "nuanced" than Johnny Ramone.
Pete Townsend - The Who (around well before the Ramones)
David Gilmour - Pink Floyd (around well before the Ramones)
Jimmy Paige - Led Zeppelin (around well before the Ramones)
Lindsey Buckingham - Fleetwood Mac (around well before the Ramones)
Alex Lifeson - Rush (around well before the Ramones)
If I want some mainstream radio baby list of run of the mill blues guitarists I will let you know Sparky. Has anyone gone on record for any one of those pedestrian heroes saying that they reinvented the sound of the electric guitar, and how it is played?
Let me answer that for you. No. Paige might come close....but the answer is still no.
And Lindsey Buckingham? /points and laughs........ Fleetwood Mac?
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The question was about "nuanced" guitar playing.
Page is on the list because his riffs were literally living breathing things of their own.
Townsend is on that list because he can make fcuking statues weep at the beauty of what he's playing.
Gilmour is on that list because his music is truly transcendent and he can make Townsend's statues cry with the sadness of his music.
Lifeson is on that list because of technical perfection and his ability to nail the performance dead on the spot like some Julliard nerd, while not actually being one.
As for Buckingham, he's on the list because every time he stepped on stage he brought THIS credibility to his performance.
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their name was infulenced by paul ramone, aka paul mccartney.
fact.
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and richard hell and the voidoids had a lot to do with the ramones actual style also, since, you know, they invented that sound before the ramones
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and richard hell and the voidoids had a lot to do with the ramones actual style also, since, you know, they invented that sound before the ramones
Might want to check your facts Sparky. The Ramones pre-date the Voidoids by 3 years. Doh!
And Cawlin, puleese. Fleetwood Mac?
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meh.
You people are more stuck in the past than I am. Besides, we are talking nuance and innovation. The talent and contribution of that list is obvious but there are lots of better guitarists than Townsend, Gilmore and LB.
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vn_nnanji posted:
And Cawlin, puleese. Fleetwood Mac?
I didn't say anything about Fleetwood Mac. I said that Lindsay Buckingham was a more nuanced guitarist than Johnny Ramone.
vn_nnanji posted:
meh.
You people are more stuck in the past than I am. Besides, we are talking nuance and innovation. The talent and contribution of that list is obvious but there are lots of better guitarists than Townsend, Gilmore and LB.
First of all, there are certainly NOT "lots" of guitarists who are "better" than Townsend or Page, maybe a handful, like 3 or 4, including Clapton, Hendrix, and maybe Jeff Beck, possibly SRV, but up that close to the top, the names are pretty much interchangeable except for Hendrix. As for Gilmore and Buckingham, again, the argument was about nuanced guitarists, not about "best" guitarists.
Second of all, of the guitarists that are "better" than those on my list, none of them played in the Ramones.
Maybe this entire concept is too nuanced for you! 
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Here is a list of rock guitarists that I can name in 20 seconds without even thinking about it who were more "nuanced" than Johnny Ramone.
Again you err, trying to tell me what my original point was. The actual discussion here is not your lame list, or even about "guitarists", but rather if the word nuanced applied to the Ramones. Returning to the subject after your little detour off context, lets review.
Since you say you can name other people that are more nuanced than the Ramones you have conceded that the Ramones are in fact nuanced. I missed the fact that you had already agreed with me.
Apology accepted.
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Cawlin posted:
Here is a list of rock guitarists that I can name in 20 seconds without even thinking about it who were more "nuanced" than Johnny Ramone.
Again you err, trying to tell me what my original point was. The actual discussion here is not your lame list, or even about "guitarists", but rather if the word nuanced applied to the Ramones. Returning to the subject after your little detour off context, lets review.
Since you say you can name other people that are more nuanced than the Ramones you have conceded that the Ramones are in fact nuanced. I missed the fact that you had already agreed with me.
Apology accepted.
Yeah I would bail on this argument too if I were you...
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This is a good example of why you are a douchecanoe. The discussion was clearly about whether the Ramones were nuanced. You brought something else into it, and every time I made a claim or comment you tried to tell me what the context was. "Oh, it's not about this, it's not about that, it's about nuance"....
Anyone can read the thread. You brought in a straw man, then tried to correct me toward your straw man, and now you pull some limp wristed ploy when you are shown to be a hypocrite.
I'm following your supposed desire to stay in context. The context is whether the Ramones are nuanced, something you conceded in your very first post.
If you want to talk about guitarists I have already addressed that.
vn_nnanji posted:
If I want some mainstream radio baby list of run of the mill blues guitarists I will let you know Sparky. Has anyone gone on record for any one of those pedestrian heroes saying that they reinvented the sound of the electric guitar, and how it is played?
Let me answer that for you. No. Paige might come close....but the answer is still no.
You are as bad as Yuki, you clearly don't know what nuanced means. Or context. Get a dictionary ffs.
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If you really want to resort to the dictionary:
"nuance:
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: a subtle distinction or variation
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: a subtle quality : nicety
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: sensibility to, awareness of, or ability to express delicate shadings (as of meaning, feeling, or value)"
The ramones are none of those things. They were a great band but nuanced they were not.
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This is a good example of why you are a douchecanoe. The discussion was clearly about whether the Ramones were nuanced. You brought something else into it, and every time I made a claim or comment you tried to tell me what the context was. "Oh, it's not about this, it's not about that, it's about nuance"....
Anyone can read the thread. You brought in a straw man, then tried to correct me toward your straw man, and now you pull some limp wristed ploy when you are shown to be a hypocrite.
I'm following your supposed desire to stay in context. The context is whether the Ramones are nuanced, something you conceded in your very first post.
If you want to talk about guitarists I have already addressed that.
vn_nnanji posted:
If I want some mainstream radio baby list of run of the mill blues guitarists I will let you know Sparky. Has anyone gone on record for any one of those pedestrian heroes saying that they reinvented the sound of the electric guitar, and how it is played?
Let me answer that for you. No. Paige might come close....but the answer is still no.
You are as bad as Yuki, you clearly don't know what nuanced means. Or context. Get a dictionary ffs.
Clearly your hubris led you to use a word you didn't actually understand. There is nothing nuanced about the Ramones or about Johnny's guitar playing. He's a straight forward precision speed thrasher - highly skilled, yes, nuanced, no.
With regards to using the word "more" - if A is more than B, this does not imply that B must have some quantity, merely that A has more of it. If B has zero of the quantity (as the Ramones have zero nuance), then A has more of it. I chose 4 guitarists who typified nuanced, subtle, artful playing and showed you those examples to explain to you what the word you were misusing meant.
Like I said, you should have bailed on this argument earlier. For the record, I've told youy this before but WWWWHHHAAARRRRRGGGLLELEEEBAAARRRRGGLLLELELEE doesn't actually make for any sort of credible argument, not even on the Outpost.
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So the takway is that both of you clowns are capable of reading a words definition and still failing to understand it. Go you.
Cawlin, in fact, doesn't even understand the word "more." No wonder he has trouble with more "nuanced" words.
The Ramones music is nuanced, as I said and as Cawlin admitted before he tried to weasel out of it. The fact that you two buttcheeks don't get that is a testament to your ignorance.
I covered this. The Ramones music has nuances of Motown, Doo-Wop, The Beach Boys, early Beatles (hence the original critics comment) and old school soul. The guitar itself is produced and amplified to include harmonics within the power chords, arguably adding nuance within the single chords themselves and creating harmony at the base level, while the songs contain nuances of the same musical genres, along with the new themes added through their own comic style.
Simple and subtle are NOT mutually exclusive.
vn_nnanji posted:
I am not making this up. Every word can be confirmed in the writings of top musicians, rock critics. writers and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Namely, experts who know what they are talking about. (Rather than Outposters who don't.)
Your biased and misguided opinion of the Ramones doesn't change the reality of their music.
While I am at it, which of you two guitar heroes can actually play a note?
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You still should have bailed on the argument dude. It doesn't matter how many "NO U!"s and weasels you try to sling around, you still look like a dipsiht for arguing this.
As for me, I've played guitar since I was 19 years old, so that's almost 23 years now. I play on a Washburn drednought acoustic electric that I bought in 1991.
I keep hoping to upgrade to one of the new Taylor acoustic electrics with the special neck construction and the excellent electronics, but they're kind of pricey and other expenses keep taking priority over my still excellent sounding Washburn. I want to move to the concert body shape (like the Martin 000) rather than the drednought because I want my playing to exhibit more of the nuances of my right hand work which I have trained for many years to not work like the dumb club that it is otherwise, given that I'm a left hander playing guitar right handed. The drednought shape is so bassy and bottom heavy that I lose a lot of the highs that I've worked so hard to bring out in my playing.
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http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-artists-of-all-time-19691231/the-ramones-19691231
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So the takway is that both of you clowns are capable of reading a words definition and still failing to understand it. Go you.
Cawlin, in fact, doesn't even understand the word "more." No wonder he has trouble with more "nuanced" words.
The Ramones music is nuanced, as I said and as Cawlin admitted before he tried to weasel out of it. The fact that you two buttcheeks don't get that is a testament to your ignorance.
I covered this. The Ramones music has nuances of Motown, Doo-Wop, The Beach Boys, early Beatles (hence the original critics comment) and old school soul. The guitar itself is produced and amplified to include harmonics within the power chords, arguably adding nuance within the single chords themselves and creating harmony at the base level, while the songs contain nuances of the same musical genres, along with the new themes added through their own comic style.
Simple and subtle are NOT mutually exclusive.
vn_nnanji posted:
I am not making this up. Every word can be confirmed in the writings of top musicians, rock critics. writers and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Namely, experts who know what they are talking about. (Rather than Outposters who don't.)
Your biased and misguided opinion of the Ramones doesn't change the reality of their music.
While I am at it, which of you two guitar heroes can actually play a note?
You sure do go to great lengths to try to convince us all that the Ramones don't suck. I just thought I should be the one to tell you that it isn't working.
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The Ramones don't suck. They were a great band. I agree on that much with the badger.
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The Ramones don't suck. They were a great band. I agree on that much with the badger.
Agreed. They were a great band, not the greatest of all time imo, but that's as subjective a thing to say as someone's favorite kind of soup. The fact is they toured for over 20 years playing like 100 dates a year or something absurd like that. However, nuanced, they were not.
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You don't even know what more means.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am simply reporting the facts here. To back up my claims I have the entire rock music industry, countless covers, stories, interviews and critics from top rock musicians, top writers, top producers and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
All of Rock pays homage to the Ramones as one of the greatest bands of all time, and agree that they revitalized Rock at it's lowest ebb (and again, that is a quote.) They saved Rock and Roll!
"Their only record with enough U.S. sales to be certified gold was the compilation album Ramones Mania.[7] However, recognition of the band's importance built over the years, and they are now cited in many assessments of all-time great rock music, such as the Rolling Stone list of the 50 Greatest Artists of All Time[8] and VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock.[9] In 2002, the Ramones were ranked the second-greatest band of all time by Spin magazine, trailing only The Beatles.[10] On March 18, 2002, the Ramones—including the three founders and drummers Marky and Tommy Ramone—were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.[2][11] In 2011, the group was awarded a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award.[12][13]
Johnny Ramone was ranked by Rolling Stone as the 16th greatest guitarist of all time. Looking at Cawlin's "list" only Jimmy Paige outranks him there...and that was the only one I conceded to even belong on the list. I don't agree with much of their list but it's nice to have Rolling Stone validate what I said.
Your opinions are in conflict with provable reality but that doesn't stop your stupid.
With the exception of the Beatles no band has been more covered or more copied.
Do. The. Math.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGgfHZ02I2k
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I would like to thank you for letting me discover Gabba, a fusion tribute band that combines ABBA and the Ramones.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdyjTqfJxUA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaDpuLIhN5g&feature=related
Talk about nuance!
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You don't even know what more means.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am simply reporting the facts here. To back up my claims I have the entire rock music industry, countless covers, stories, interviews and critics from top rock musicians, top writers, top producers and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
All of Rock pays homage to the Ramones as one of the greatest bands of all time, and agree that they revitalized Rock at it's lowest ebb (and again, that is a quote.) They saved Rock and Roll!
"Their only record with enough U.S. sales to be certified gold was the compilation album Ramones Mania.[7] However, recognition of the band's importance built over the years, and they are now cited in many assessments of all-time great rock music, such as the Rolling Stone list of the 50 Greatest Artists of All Time[8] and VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock.[9] In 2002, the Ramones were ranked the second-greatest band of all time by Spin magazine, trailing only The Beatles.[10] On March 18, 2002, the Ramones—including the three founders and drummers Marky and Tommy Ramone—were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.[2][11] In 2011, the group was awarded a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award.[12][13]
Johnny Ramone was ranked by Rolling Stone as the 16th greatest guitarist of all time. Looking at Cawlin's "list" only Jimmy Paige outranks him there...and that was the only one I conceded to even belong on the list. I don't agree with much of their list but it's nice to have Rolling Stone validate what I said.
Your opinions are in conflict with provable reality but that doesn't stop your stupid.
With the exception of the Beatles no band has been more covered or more copied.
Do. The. Math.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGgfHZ02I2k
No, you really are trying to convince people. They don't impress me. I never heard of the Ramones until the outpost, so I went to youtube and I listed to see what they hype was about. I heard a guitarist who knows maybe 4 chords at the most and a singer who sounds like he's being raped by a horse.
Sorry, they suck.
Was he a minimalist guitarist, or did you just drink the kool-aid?
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The funny thing is Nannanannaji is such a rabid Ramones fan that he can't even be happy you agree with him that they're a great band. You not only have to like the Ramones, you have to like them exactly like he does!
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Tell me something I don't know noob.
The Ramones suck. Though I've already told you a few times.
Now, imagine Joey bend over the stall in the barn while the horse moves up behind him and he's shouting "AY OH, LETS GO! AY OH, LETS GO!" while he proceeds to get his Blitzkrieg Bopped.
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You don't even know what more means.
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am simply reporting the facts here. To back up my claims I have the entire rock music industry, countless covers, stories, interviews and critics from top rock musicians, top writers, top producers and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
All of Rock pays homage to the Ramones as one of the greatest bands of all time, and agree that they revitalized Rock at it's lowest ebb (and again, that is a quote.) They saved Rock and Roll!
"Their only record with enough U.S. sales to be certified gold was the compilation album Ramones Mania.[7] However, recognition of the band's importance built over the years, and they are now cited in many assessments of all-time great rock music, such as the Rolling Stone list of the 50 Greatest Artists of All Time[8] and VH1's 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock.[9] In 2002, the Ramones were ranked the second-greatest band of all time by Spin magazine, trailing only The Beatles.[10] On March 18, 2002, the Ramones—including the three founders and drummers Marky and Tommy Ramone—were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.[2][11] In 2011, the group was awarded a Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award.[12][13]
Johnny Ramone was ranked by Rolling Stone as the 16th greatest guitarist of all time. Looking at Cawlin's "list" only Jimmy Paige outranks him there...and that was the only one I conceded to even belong on the list. I don't agree with much of their list but it's nice to have Rolling Stone validate what I said.
Your opinions are in conflict with provable reality but that doesn't stop your stupid.
With the exception of the Beatles no band has been more covered or more copied.
Do. The. Math.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGgfHZ02I2k
LOL dude... you're going to hold onto your stupid semantic weaseling argument? Really? Is English your second language?
For what it's worth, your Rolling Stone list is actually compiled by only ONE guy - David Fricke. The Rolling Stone list that is more than one guy's opinion is as follows:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/lists/100-greatest-guitarists-20111123
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We assembled a panel of top guitarists and other experts to rank their favorites and explain what separates the legends from everyone else. Featuring Keith Richards on Chuck Berry, Carlos Santana on Jerry Garcia, Tom Petty on George Harrison and more.
THE VOTERS: Trey Anastasio, Dan Auerbach (The Black Keys), Brian Bell (Weezer), Ritchie Blackmore (Deep Purple), Carl Broemel (My Morning Jacket), James Burton, Jerry Cantrell (Alice in Chains), Gary Clark Jr., Billy Corgan, Steve Cropper, Dave Davies (The Kinks), Anthony DeCurtis (Contributing editor, Rolling Stone), Tom DeLonge (Blink-182), Rick Derringer, Luther Dickinson (North Mississippi Allstars), Elliot Easton (The Cars), Melissa Etheridge, Don Felder (The Eagles), David Fricke (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), Peter Guralnick (Author), Kirk Hammett (Metallica), Albert Hammond Jr. (The Strokes), Warren Haynes (The Allman Brothers Band), Brian Hiatt (Senior writer, Rolling Stone), David Hidalgo (Los Lobos), Jim James (My Morning Jacket), Lenny Kravitz, Robby Krieger (The Doors), Jon Landau (Manager), Alex Lifeson (Rush), Nils Lofgren (The E Street Band), Mick Mars (Mötley Crüe), Doug Martsch (Built to Spill), J Mascis (Dinosaur Jr.), Brian May, Mike McCready (Pearl Jam), Roger McGuinn (The Byrds), Scotty Moore, Thurston Moore (Sonic Youth), Tom Morello, Dave Mustaine (Megadeth), Brendan O’Brien (Producer), Joe Perry, Vernon Reid (Living Colour), Robbie Robertson, Rich Robinson (The Black Crowes), Carlos Santana, Kenny Wayne Shepherd, Marnie Stern, Stephen Stills, Andy Summers, Mick Taylor, Susan Tedeschi, Vieux Farka Touré, Derek Trucks, Eddie Van Halen, Joe Walsh, Nancy Wilson (Heart)
CONTRIBUTORS: David Browne, Patrick Doyle, David Fricke, Will Hermes, Brian Hiatt, Alan Light, Rob Tannenbaum, Douglas Wolk
That list, compiled by more than ONE person has:
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Townsend 10
Gilmour 14
Johnny Ramone 28
And AGAIN, my list was of "nuanced" guitarists. There are reasons to call a guitarist great other than nuanced playing, but it seems to me that if you want to now turn it into a question of who was the BEST guitarist, 3 of the 5 I listed are rated better than Johnny.
Here's another link that links to the ACTUAL list from Rolling Stone:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/23/jimi-hendrix-named-greate_n_1109574.html
Do. The. Math.
Oh and another thing, the reason the Ramones were so heavily copied was because their music was butt-stupid-simple to play and pretty much any half-assed garage band with a couple dozen music lessons between them or maybe just a couple hundred hours of practice between them could pull off passable Ramones faked covers for local bar shows and keggers. This doesn't mean that simple is bad, it just means that simple is simple. The Ramones definitely had something - longevity and energy mostly - that was unique about them, but it wasn't nuance.
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So....you think about anal sex a lot do you?
Edit-Cawlin maybe you should to to the Rolling Stone site and check again. The 100 lists are always available and Dave Frick is the senior editor of RS. Being an average guy you would prolly prefer averaged lists but I stand by what I said.
If you run into difficult words like "more" let me know and I will help you. Again, the discussion was not about "nuanced guitarists". It was whether the word nuanced applies to the Ramones, and that is something that you have already conceded.
No amount of contextual weaseling and butthurt backpedaling is going to change that.
Apology accepted.
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So....you think about anal sex a lot do you?
Edit-Cawlin maybe you should to to the Rolling Stone site and check again. The 100 lists are always available and Dave Frick is the senior editor of RS. Being an average guy you would prolly prefer averaged lists but I stand by what I said.
If you run into difficult words like "more" let me know and I will help you. Again, the discussion was not about "nuanced guitarists". It was whether the word nuanced applies to the Ramones, and that is something that you have already conceded.
No amount of contextual weaseling and butthurt backpedaling is going to change that.
Apology accepted.
LOL I have said numerous times that the Ramones are not a nuanced band and also that Johnny was not a nuanced guitarist. It's up there in print man. Go ahead and read it. It's hilarious for YOU to challenge MY literacy given these facts.
You should have left this argument when your stupid could have been chalked up to your usual hubris, instead you're hanging around to be sure that your stupid is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.
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Ok this thread is becoming too ridiculous even for me to continue arguing in.
Yes, but I'm having fun here.
P.S. The Ramones really do suck. Any 3rd grader can learn to play Ramones songs with a Mel Bey Modern Guitar Method Grade 1 book.
C-F-G is all you need. If you really want to branch out and outshine the Ramones you can learn Am and become the 16th greatest guitarist of all time!
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So you are both finally conceding. About time.
Apologies accepted.
Yuki, can you spend a moment to educate Crawlin as to what the word "more" means?
More:
1) greater <something more than she expected>
2) Additional, further <more guests arrived>
The Ramones ignited the punk-rock movement with their eponymous 1976 debut album. The fact that punk is thriving nearly thirty years later attests to the durability and worth of the genre they helped invent. Their short, combustible songs drew from the worlds of comic books, horror films, girl groups, and garage rock. They were a loud-fast punk-pop band, mixing humor and horror in equal measure and giving their urbanized fans a way to purge all the pent-up energy that comes from living in a concrete jungle. A Ramones set, especially in the early years, rarely lasted half an hour, and they might perform fifteen or more songs during the sonic blitzkrieg. Their originals were just that – without question, they were the only group in rock history to write two songs about cretins and twenty-five that begin with some variation of the pronoun “I†– while the songs they covered were unfailingly well-chosen, including the Rivieras’ “California Sun†and the Trashmen’s “Surfin’ Bird.â€
Slagged by old-guard sorts who couldn’t hear or didn’t understand, the Ramones nonetheless connected with a youthful underground in New York, London, Los Angeles, and eventually the whole world. They never had a Top Forty hit, which seems an ironic pity since their songs possessed a melodic, hypnotic and energetic magic that would have served the stultifying AM playlists of the Seventies well. Such Ramones classics as “Blitzkrieg Bop,†“Glad to See You Go,†“Sheena Is a Punk Rocker,†“Rockaway Beach,†“I Wanna Be Sedated,†“Rock ‘n’ Roll High School,†and “Do You Remember Rock ‘n’ Roll Radio?†have stood the test of time, while the terrible records that clogged the Top Forty during the period the Ramones were minting these brilliant nuggets now elicit groans and mockery. As Tommy Ramone put it with no false modesty in the liner notes to the Ramones’ Hey Ho Let’s Go!compilation – which crammed 55 songs on two CDs – “This is art. Sometimes it doesn’t sell at first. Sometimes it takes awhile for the world to catch on.â€
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Yukishiro1 posted:
Ok this thread is becoming too ridiculous even for me to continue arguing in.
Yes, but I'm having fun here.
P.S. The Ramones really do suck. Any 3rd grader can learn to play Ramones songs with a Mel Bey Modern Guitar Method Grade 1 book.
C-F-G is all you need. If you really want to branch out and outshine the Ramones you can learn Am and become the 16th greatest guitarist of all time!
You're forgetting, you've gotta learn them as power chords (no need to bother with those complex first position fingerings) and learn "the box" and you're golden!
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So you are both finally conceding. About time.
Apologies accepted.
Yuki, can you spend a moment to educate Crawlin as to what the word "more" means?
More:
1) greater <something more than she expected>
2) Additional, further <more guests arrived>
Mathematically, is one MORE THAN zero?
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Is zero a number? Does it have a value?
Add "context" to the list of words you fail to understand.
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I don't really understand the concepts being discussed so I'm going to accuse everyone else of my own failing.
Same old shtick. 
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Dude, put on your big boy thinking cap. 1 is greater than 0. Why? Because numbers are values. Zero has and is a value. More is a comparative word and you used it but now try to deny it's meaning.
I realize this may be difficult for you but it isn't that nuanced, it's pretty simple. You either misused "more" or you fail to understand it entirely. Since you are trying to change it's meaning we'll have to assume you simply fail to grasp it.
Words you should look up and have explained to you:
More
Context
Nuance
Value
Greater
Addition
Rock and Roll
I can see nuanced, since even Yuki seems to be having trouble with that one but past that you are showing up as semi literate.
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So according to you, the use of the word "more" implies that both objects in the comparison must have some amount of the characteristic being compared that is greater than zero?
Really?
Apparently the Ramones make you stupid too... or should I say more stupid?
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Not according to me, according to the definition. If one of them has none you would not use the word more.
Unless you were poorly educated or had an imperfect grasp of English.
In all my years at the OP I have never run into anyone who was such a puss he would try to redefine a word rather than admit he misused it. Grow a set Sally.
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Not according to me, according to the definition. If one of them has none you would not use the word more.
Unless you were poorly educated or had an imperfect grasp of English.
In all my years at the OP I have never run into anyone who was such a puss he would try to redefine a word rather than admit he misused it. Grow a set Sally.
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Lack of balls, integrity and English comprehension noted. No wonder I basically consider you to be a weasel.
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It's amazing how the truly delusional will project all of their own failings onto their nemeses.
I suppose it's creepy how much you crave my derision though.
Seek help.
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Cawlin posted:
Irony
You're boring. Get some game dude.
(Notice, I didn't say "more" game, since that would imply you had some to begin with. See how that works?)
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vn_nnanji posted:
Damn I got caught out projecting my own character flaws again, time for me to spin up the "I TROL'D U!" rhetoric machine and hope people don't realize that I got nothing but a poorly functioning intellect and a temper tantrum that's borne out of the bitterness that goes along with being a dim, self absorbed, pitiable old man.
I will say that it made an otherwise boring work day entertaining watching you flail around this thread, but seriously, you need to seek help. It's not actually healthy for you to seek this sort of humiliation constantly.
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This thread is getting so bad I'm starting to feel like it's rubbing off on me too just for having posted in it a few times.
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At least you know what "more" means.
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This thread got a lot "more" awful once I stopped seriously posting in it.
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I will agree with you there. I'm only as good as my foil and Cawlin is a simpleton.
That said I don't know what you are complaining about. You got some valuable takaways from this thread. You learned how to properly define nuance, you learned more about the Ramones, and you learned more about Rock and Roll in general. It's a "win-win-win" for you Yuki.
Don't mention it. De Nada.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn-tSyUSDKg
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vn_nnanji posted:
Not news.
The Ramones had massive respect for many artists and their music was in fact very nuanced with regards to their influences. They managed to take from so many places yet still create their own signature sound which reinvented Rock and Roll and was more copied, covered and influential than any band before them, with the exception of the Beatles, who were clearly the most influential Rock band of all time.
I am not making this up. Every word can be confirmed in the writings of top musicians, rock critics. writers and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Namely, experts who know what they are talking about. (Rather than Outposters who don't.)
The Ramones were both a rebirth for an entire artform and yet too simple for people who like to think a lot of themselves...but then again people thinking a lot of themselves was part of what was wrong with rock, so maybe it's not that they are too simple but rather that many people are too narcissistic and deluded to fully appreciate them.
Thankfully not all people. Rock itself reveres them as one of the greatest Rock and Roll bands of all time. Sure, the Ramones were fans of Lennon. The current list of rock greats who are fans of the Ramones......that would take pages and pages and turn into a veritable who's who of Rock and Roll.
"One of the Seven Great Rock Bands of All Time."-Spin magazine
"Before the Ramones there was nothing." A Rock Critic.
"The Ramones were the only outside band that everyone looked up to." -Chrissie Hynde
"The Ramones are so tight they are hemmarroidal." Linda Rondstadt
My dick can play more than 3 chords, therefore it must be extremely nuanced.....
Why the fuck did they go in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame first ?
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Oral_Butthurt posted:
Some lame crap.
First before what? The Village People?
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vn_nnanji posted:
Oral_Butthurt posted:
Some lame crap.
First before what? The Village People?
cranky old man defending an old mans' band
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vn_nnanji posted:
Oral_Butthurt posted:
Some lame crap.
First before what? The Village People?
Obviously you have very poor English, if someone posts a reply quoting you, they are obviously talking about the no talent hack band you discussed in the quoted post.
English lessons cannot be too expensive, why not sign up for one and get to meet some women ? You never know old man, they might know more than 3 chords and not act like a vagina about it
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You're not making the thread better. Then again you seldom do. You could at least make sense though.
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Nnancy, you're like that sad old man at the bar, everyone's seen this guy. He's a drunk, and he's like 30 years older than the rest of the crowd. He wears his favorite sports team's jersey or a concert t-shirt of favorite band every night. He's always blathering to anyone who will listen or who isn't fast enough to move away from him about how this or that band or team is the greatest thing that ever was and gets all loud and obnoxious when people either ignore him or point out what a douchebag he is.
It's a sad existence you lead honestly. I could understand not being able to argue your way out of a wet paper bag with a pair of hedge clippers in your hand, that's not particularly uncommon. In truth most people aren't actually able to string together coherent thoughts even when they have time to do it in writing rather than having to think on their feet in an actual face to face conversation, but acting like a monkey and flinging your poo all around as you throw temper tantrums because you think it makes you some sort of internet hero is just pathetic. Maybe you're trying to compensate for the shortcomings of your sad and lonely life, I don't know. It's a sad and tired act you've got though and I think you need to take some time away from message boards and maybe reflect on things a bit.
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Lindsey Buckingham >>> Johnny Ramone. Fleetwood Mac is the shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO9e_HiVB34
Beautiful music > Skinner ARGLBARGL.
Listen to BB, and you have heard every ramones song. No depth.
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Did Bad-Jar just make an attempt at explaining basic math, then applying it to everyday non-technical use of the word?
All to "defend" a simplistic punk band from the late 70s.
What a waste of time.
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No he did not.
He tried to explain basic english to an idiot.
Then more showed up. More as "in addition to".
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