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They can not. Congress can possibly pass stricter tax codes / laws which would hinder companies from moving more jobs to other countries, but they would only pass those extra expenses onto the consumer.
The only way to fix the economy is jobs, and corporations have been reaping large profits for over a decade now while shipping jobs to other countries. Without these jobs the economy will never be the same.
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The government can set their taxing and spending policy and make it more than temporary.
One of the big reasons that businesses are reluctant to hire and start spending money again is that they are unsure about what the federal government is going to change next and how badly it will affect them.
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Maybe if government wasn't a roulette wheel of threats, theft, punishment and incompetence then the world would stabilize and get back to work.
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The government can set their taxing and spending policy and make it more than temporary.
One of the big reasons that businesses are reluctant to hire and start spending money again is that they are unsure about what the federal government is going to change next and how badly it will affect them.
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Bs! and you know it. Despite any taxing/spending policy these corporations will not bring jobs back because it has been, and more than likely always will be more profitable to set up shop on foreign soil. Our economy has been eroding for decades now, so what magic taxing / spending policy will bring jobs back?
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Maybe if government wasn't a roulette wheel of threats, theft, punishment and incompetence then the world would stabilize and get back to work.
Argle bargle, ron paul big gubment conspiracy nonsense. Anything of relevance to add?
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They break it by over regulating it.
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Anything of relevance to add?
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well they tell us they can...are you saying the President & politicians lied to us?
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Tax penalty for overseas income, tax breaks for using american workers.
Problem solved.
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Tax penalty for overseas income, tax breaks for using american workers.
Problem solved.
I know, but labor costs would most likely offset that unless the tax breaks were very significant but then there is more loss of tax revenue. It seems either way it will be pushed onto the tax payers.
That is the option I can think of too, but it does not seem feasible.
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Tax penalty for overseas income, tax breaks for using american workers.
Problem solved.
Who the hell cares about causality anyways?
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President Barack Obama's proposed 2012 budget, to be released February 14, is expected to revive proposals to reform tax rules on U.S.-based multinational businesses that encourage outsourcing investments and employment overseas. Obama's 2011 budget similarly aimed to crack down on multinationals' tax-shelter abuses, which critics say divert funds needed to address the U.S. debt burden. Congress is divided on the issue, and similar proposals by the administration previously failed to pass Congress. Some Democratic lawmakers, along with union representatives, believe the proposals will help address a weak job market and troubling budget deficits. But Republican lawmakers, other Democrats, and industry representatives fear higher taxes on U.S.-based multinationals will lead to an exodus of business, investment, and jobs. They argue that multinationals' overseas operations support increased domestic investment and hiring by decreasing companies' costs, expanding their foreign-customer base, and increasing domestic demand for higher-skilled labor.
The Role of Multinationals in the U.S. Economy
The influence of U.S.-based multinationals on U.S. jobs and tax revenues has become an increasing concern for U.S. policymakers and the public. A 2006 paper (PDF) by Kenneth Scheve and CFR's Matthew Slaughter noted over two-thirds of Americans think companies sending jobs overseas is a major reason why the economy is ailing. In a March 2009 paper (PDF), Harvard economist Mihir Desai said more recent polling data suggest those feelings have heightened. In September 2010, the U.S. Senate Democrats introduced legislation to eliminate tax breaks that ship jobs overseas (TheHill). The bill was voted down by Republican lawmakers.
"A lot of jobs are shifting to developing countries like China because a company doesn't want to pay American wages and benefits or operate under health and safety regulations." -- Thea Lee
Employment by U.S. firms in emerging economies including China, Malaysia, and Singapore has grown rapidly in recent years, according to the non-partisan Congressional Research Service (PDF). Employment by U.S. firms in China, for example, grew 153 percent between 2003 and 2008, the most recent year available. U.S. jobs in Asia account for about one-fourth of total employment by U.S. firms abroad. However, multinationals' share of U.S. GDP has remained relatively constant (PDF) since the early 1990s, accounting for roughly $3.5 trillion in goods and services in 2006, about 26 percent of U.S. gross domestic product, according to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (comprehensive data on U.S. multinational companies generally lags current events by several years).
Multinationals' Impact on U.S. Jobs
Obama's tax proposals are based on the idea that multinational tax changes can improve U.S. job growth, with a portion of the tax revenues raised by removing multinationals' overseas tax advantages going to create a permanent tax credit on domestic research and innovation.
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"A lot of jobs are shifting to developing countries like China because a company doesn't want to pay American wages and benefits or operate under health and safety regulations."
No kidding they don't want to pay American wages, they're far too high if you ever want to hope to remain competitive. The problem is the cost of operation in the US. All this proposal would do is remove the one solution available.
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I think the government can change, and perhaps "fix" the economy because people who are more knowledgable than I in such matters have stated it can be done.
Some economists suggest more taxing and spending; some advocate less. Some use mathematical models and historical evidence to come to their conclusions; some use praxeology.
If you want real answers on what they suggest, read stuff by both Paul Krugman and Tom Sargent. You'll get both sides of the story, each of which gives rational explanations on how government intervention affects the economy.
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If you want real answers on what they suggest, read stuff by both Paul Krugman and Tom Sargent. You'll get both sides of the story, each of which gives rational explanations on how government intervention affects the economy.
if only there was a way to make government rational!
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capitalism is on the way out, you think moving jobs to other countries is bad? in 20 or 30 years robots will replace sweat shop workers, then everyone will be out of work. capitalism doesn't work with 50% worldwide unemployment
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my old company, small paper company, only remains in business to keep people working.
owners really are a stand up people, they used to make a fortune until one of their products failed so instead of getting rid of an entire plant worth of employees, they move a product line to the US from China.
they lost a bunch on the move, but everyone kept their job.
now, they barely make a profit, and luckily the people realize that. when i left they were talking about unionizing...they would NOT have jobs if they did.
it's a shame there are not more companies like that.
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because deregulation is what got us here in the first place, and if they weren't busy stuffing moneyz in lobbyist donations in their pockets instead of doing their job, to represent the people that elected them, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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because deregulation is what got us here in the first place, and if they weren't busy stuffing moneyz in lobbyist donations in their pockets instead of doing their job, to represent the people that elected them, we wouldn't be in this mess.
if only someone would come along and get rid of the lobbyists influence!
too bad the one candidate to do that was fooling us all.
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my old company, small paper company, only remains in business to keep people working.
owners really are a stand up people, they used to make a fortune until one of their products failed so instead of getting rid of an entire plant worth of employees, they move a product line to the US from China.
they lost a bunch on the move, but everyone kept their job.
now, they barely make a profit, and luckily the people realize that. when i left they were talking about unionizing...they would NOT have jobs if they did.
it's a shame there are not more companies like that.
habberdash! if they were smart they would have actually made money so they could make more jobs later with their enormous wealth. now the ungrateful and entitled employees want more! they want to drive the company into the ground with their selfish union. i never read a better example of why expendable nameless faceless foreigners make the best workers.
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my old company, small paper company,
Dunder Mifflin? I always suspected you were Dwight.
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my old company, small paper company,
Dunder Mifflin? I always suspected you were Dwight.
sadly no, i am not famous...made wrapping tissue and wrapping paper.
PLUS, if i had anything to do with being from PA i would NEVER tell a story about it. 
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Because politicians constantly use it to attack one another. As long as they promote the idea that the other side is ****ing things up, people will be influenced by it.
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Because politicians constantly use it to attack one another. As long as they promote the idea that the other side is ****ing things up, people will be influenced by it.
Yes, true. It is sad that sheeple are dumb enough to believe it. bush lied and dragged into a civil war we should not have been part of so it was easy to promise and deliver reversing as much of that mistake as possible. But now, they think republicans, of all people, care about the lower and middle class enough to fix anything except tax cuts for the rich.
Sheeple, lol.
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helps them get elected.
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helps them get elected.
You answered why they lie about it to get votes. I asked why are people so stupid to believe something they have no real control over.
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The government can set their taxing and spending policy and make it more than temporary.
One of the big reasons that businesses are reluctant to hire and start spending money again is that they are unsure about what the federal government is going to change next and how badly it will affect them.
Rho
Straight off Fox News. It's such a cop-out that's ridiculous.
There are always uncertainties in the business world. And the business world has gotten to enjoy things for a long time so of course they're always scared they will get their cake taken away. Lowest tax rates in ... ever while using cheaper labor from other countries equals record profits for large corporations.
Michigan just gave businesses here 1.3B in tax credits which of course sounds great until you realize it's mostly by taxing pensions. We can start taking bets on how much of those tax credits trickle down to the middle class.
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Lowest tax rates in ... ever while using cheaper labor from other countries equals record profits for large corporations.
Yep, that is what I was saying. Their profits have just skyrocketed and still more jobs leave. Jobs leave, incomes leaves. There is nothing Congress or a President can do that will change this if they are [not] creating new US jobs right now.
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Republicans want to "fix" it by bringing the pay levels and working conditions of China to America. I hope you peasants enjoy your future in sweatshops.
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Lowest tax rates in ... ever while using cheaper labor from other countries equals record profits for large corporations.
Yep, that is what I was saying. Their profits have just skyrocketed and still more jobs leave. Jobs leave, incomes leaves. There is nothing Congress or a President can do that will change this if they are [not] creating new US jobs right now.
They are creating plenty of jobs, only over in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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They have direct control over fiscal policy.
They have direct control over trade policy.
They have indirect control over monetary policy.
HELL YES it's possible. Just because you've been brainwashed into thinking trade, fiscal, and monetary options don't exist doesn't mean that they couldn't have a significant effect on our economy. Lrn2macroeconomics.
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Why do people think Presidents and Congress can "fix" the economy?
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Hyperimiator posted:
They are creating plenty of jobs, only over in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Sad truth is sad truth.
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If you think my opinion is idiotic, re-read yours.
Dont worry I will give my opinion anyways.
The PvP MMO is NOT a "niche" market, Mythic is just a "niche" company.
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