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Our computers are tools. Most of us must have them for many game unrelated purposes. However, to play games properly, you must factor in the cost of the computer. If you do this your entertainment costs just went up to $1500-$2000 per year hardware, $180.00 per annum subscriptions, Internet connection $600.00 per annum and whatever software costs you might. Lets say your annual costs are around $3000.00. This is $250.00 a month to game.
This does not even consider the physical costs for inactivity.
On the positive side, gaming as an addiction is one of the least destructive, imo.
What have I missed?
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You missed writing off a significant portion of the computer cost to the fact that it is also needed for Outposter pr0n addiction. In fact, I would go as far as to say that for some here, gaming is the secondary use of their computer.
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Our computers are tools. Most of us must have them for many game unrelated purposes. However, to play games properly, you must factor in the cost of the computer. If you do this your entertainment costs just went up to $1500-$2000 per year hardware, $180.00 per annum subscriptions, Internet connection $600.00 per annum and whatever software costs you might. Lets say your annual costs are around $3000.00. This is $250.00 a month to game.
This does not even consider the physical costs for inactivity.
On the positive side, gaming as an addiction is one of the least destructive, imo.
What have I missed?
You've missed the fact that anyone just a bit more capable than a fleshy-headed-mutant can put together a reasonable gaming rig for $600 in parts from Newegg and assemble it themselves. Add in another $100 for a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers, and you have a system that will last you 2 to 3 years or even longer depending on what sort of gaming performance you're looking for.
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I got and Apple II because of a space game I saw on it. The first computer game I got was advertised as a $2160 dollar game; $2100 for the computer and $60 for the game. By today's standards it was a very lame game too.
http://www.mobygames.com/game/computer-bismarck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Bismarck
Computer Bismarck is a computer wargame developed and published by Strategic Simulations, Inc. (SSI) in 1980. The game is based on the last battle of the battleship Bismarck, in which British Armed Forces pursue the German Bismarck in 1941. It is SSI's first game, and features turn-based gameplay and two-dimensional graphics.
The development staff consisted of two programmers, Joel Billings and John Lyons, who programmed the game in BASIC. Originally developed for the TRS-80, an Apple II version was also created two months into the process. After meeting with other wargame developers, Billings decided to publish the game as well. To help accomplish this, he hired Louis Saekow to create the box art.
The game was commercially and critically successful. Critics attribute the company's success to Computer Bismarck along with its other early titles. The game is also credited in part for legitimizing war games and computer games; it has been called the first "serious wargame for a microcomputer".
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The glaring omission from your list is Time, which does have value Mo.
Maintaining your tool (lol) costs almost as much time as it does money. The two are the same imo (time and money)
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You've missed the fact that anyone just a bit more capable than a fleshy-headed-mutant can put together a reasonable gaming rig for $600 in parts from Newegg and assemble it themselves. Add in another $100 for a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers, and you have a system that will last you 2 to 3 years or even longer depending on what sort of gaming performance you're looking for.
I have an $800 budget and I've not built one in years and I'm too far behind on the technology. Show me what you can do Jedi Master!
EDIT: I don't need monitor, keyboard, mouse, or speakers. Just the tower and its componenets!
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Szerek posted:
Cawlin posted:
You've missed the fact that anyone just a bit more capable than a fleshy-headed-mutant can put together a reasonable gaming rig for $600 in parts from Newegg and assemble it themselves. Add in another $100 for a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers, and you have a system that will last you 2 to 3 years or even longer depending on what sort of gaming performance you're looking for.
I have an $800 budget and I've not built one in years and I'm too far behind on the technology. Show me what you can do Jedi Master!
EDIT: I don't need monitor, keyboard, mouse, or speakers. Just the tower and its componenets!
In 2009 I put together two gaming rigs with:
Case
mobo
vid card (lower end of upper end)
power supply
processor
SATA HDD
R/W CD/DVD
RAM
No sound card, we had monitor, keyboards, mice, and speakers.
For *JUST* under $1200 shipped.
One thing to be clear about here is that I have only just a bit more ability than a fleshy headed mutant when it comes to dealing with building a computer. The way I got my system set up was that I posted on one of these VN boards a thread like this: "Help me put together a $600 gaming rig!"
I'd suggest ACFriends for this or perhaps the WoW general board as both of those boards seem to be pretty friendly to those sort of threads. Alternatively, send a PM to Koneg, he loves that siht.
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Cawlin posted:
Szerek posted:
Cawlin posted:
You've missed the fact that anyone just a bit more capable than a fleshy-headed-mutant can put together a reasonable gaming rig for $600 in parts from Newegg and assemble it themselves. Add in another $100 for a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers, and you have a system that will last you 2 to 3 years or even longer depending on what sort of gaming performance you're looking for.
I have an $800 budget and I've not built one in years and I'm too far behind on the technology. Show me what you can do Jedi Master!
EDIT: I don't need monitor, keyboard, mouse, or speakers. Just the tower and its componenets!
In 2009 I put together two gaming rigs with:
Case
mobo
vid card (lower end of upper end)
power supply
processor
SATA HDD
R/W CD/DVD
RAM
No sound card, we had monitor, keyboards, mice, and speakers.
For *JUST* under $1200 shipped.
One thing to be clear about here is that I have only just a bit more ability than a fleshy headed mutant when it comes to dealing with building a computer. The way I got my system set up was that I posted on one of these VN boards a thread like this: "Help me put together a $600 gaming rig!"
I'd suggest ACFriends for this or perhaps the WoW general board as both of those boards seem to be pretty friendly to those sort of threads. Alternatively, send a PM to Koneg, he loves that siht.
I used to be one of those guys. I built all my own rigs up till about 5 or so years ago. Things have changed too much since then and I just don't have the gumption, or the time, really, to do all the reading it would entail to come back up to speed.
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I just don't have the gumption, or the time, really, to do all the reading it would entail to come back up to speed.
I would list a set of components for you myself, but it would take some reading and so forth on my own part to put together a good list - I certainly do not stay abreast of all the cutting edge stuff myself.
My whole point though was to say that you can put together a very respectable gaming rig for very much less than $2k a year...
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Our computers are tools. Most of us must have them for many game unrelated purposes. However, to play games properly, you must factor in the cost of the computer. If you do this your entertainment costs just went up to $1500-$2000 per year hardware, $180.00 per annum subscriptions, Internet connection $600.00 per annum and whatever software costs you might. Lets say your annual costs are around $3000.00. This is $250.00 a month to game.
This does not even consider the physical costs for inactivity.
On the positive side, gaming as an addiction is one of the least destructive, imo.
What have I missed?
Porn.
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<2K in cash and only if you don't count your time in the evaluation.
I'm like Szerek - I had built all my own, just don't have time for it anymore.
That said, I recently purchased a pre-fab and it bricked on me last night - the machine I built 3 years ago is again sitting in it's place. 
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Actually being addicted to an MMO saves me money. It is when I am looking for a new game I tend to over spend on software and start wishing I had a new rig.
Plus Steam has really helped provide games for a lot cheaper. $300 in games would go a long way if you are just buying games that are on sale. $50 to $75 bucks could get you most of a publisher's catalog.
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Fist_de_Yuma posted:
[i]Computer Bismarck is a computer wargame developed and published by Strategic Simulations, Inc. (SSI) in 1980. The game is based on the last battle of the battleship Bismarck, in which British Armed Forces pursue the German Bismarck in 1941. It is SSI's first game, and features turn-based gameplay and two-dimensional graphics.
Man I miss SSI!
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I started playing DAOC because I was spending 3-4 nights and $200 a week in the bar.
MMORPGs have saved me a ton of money over the years.
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Szerek posted:
Cawlin posted:
You've missed the fact that anyone just a bit more capable than a fleshy-headed-mutant can put together a reasonable gaming rig for $600 in parts from Newegg and assemble it themselves. Add in another $100 for a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and speakers, and you have a system that will last you 2 to 3 years or even longer depending on what sort of gaming performance you're looking for.
I have an $800 budget and I've not built one in years and I'm too far behind on the technology. Show me what you can do Jedi Master!
EDIT: I don't need monitor, keyboard, mouse, or speakers. Just the tower and its componenets!
I start here:
http://www.maximumpc.com/best-of-the-best
They show the best high end, middle, and budget hardware out there and it's kept pretty well up to date. I used this to put together my current system.
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I pay $15 a month for my internet. My computer was $700 2 years ago and I have no intention of buying a new one soon. It also doubles as my source for TV, news, movies, and audiobooks that I download for work. Oh, and that word processor its pretty handy for writing my novels.
Its well worth the investment, especially considering I'd probably blow all that money at a bar if I wasn't gaming it up.
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Modeeb posted:
If you do this your entertainment costs just went up to $1500-$2000 per year hardware
WTF??
Modeeb posted:
What have I missed?
Math 101?
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Gaming doesn't require a high-end PC anymore, nor does it require ongoing subscriptions. I've been gaming on the same laptop for about 2 years now. Most of the games I buy are on sale. I cleaned up these past few weeks with Steam's deals and picked up about 8 games between my wife and me for a total of about $80; most of them were this year's titles.
If you're a gaming enthusiast, you'll spend what you can on it, just like any other hobby. If I didn't have other expensive hobbies (and a family, and a mortgage), I'd probably still be spending $2000 or more a year on gaming. But I'd rather spend the money on something else and continue playing one of the 10 or so games already in my library that I haven't yet completed.
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Internet access is expensive as hell out here in bum fark Egypt. I pay 160 bucks a month for cable, of course that includes TV (220 channels or some shit) and I haven't turned a TV on for more than 5 minutes in a year.
I have a number of computers in the house, but really only ever use a cheap ass laptop I paid 350 bucks for (new) 3 or 4 years ago. I don't build my own, I buy flashy ones that scream "You paid too damn much" while they sit there looking all futuristic and glowing.
I find I have much more fun playing old games than new ones. I still play CIV III and put in hours on Rome Total War every week. My expensive machines sit there gathering dust while I stress this cheapo laptop to pieces playing games from a decade ago.
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A tax write off once a year for "school" purposes 
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Mastara posted:
A tax write off once a year for "school" purposes
The Bible posted:
Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's...
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Your absolutely right. But then again the money I make is mine. Not theirs. I dont fund crooked politicians, adulterers, pedophiles, liars, thieves, murderers, rapists, corrupt, blah blah blah the list goes on forever. So I'll take my money back any way that I possibly can. Then again with a wife 3 kids I'm getting almost 7 grand back every year, I dont even have a house yet. I claim 3 all year on state and federal. How is it that they can take money so fast but to give it back takes 1-3 months?
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$20/month for a computer (That's a $600 build every 30 months, plenty to play anything. Ebay old parts to buy new monitors.)
$20-30 for internet (any crappy 128/512 DSL will game, you only need multi-megabit speeds for streaming porn)
$15 for a MMO subscription. Or a $60 title every 4 months instead.
Ooh, $2/day.
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I don't really care so much about the $$$, but I feel like i have wasted and burned too many hours gaming. I wouldn't even want to know an actual time spent on them..what a waste of energy. lol  Just try and figure it out for real. If you start with arcade gaming..the orig. culprit on up to the gaming of today, omg.
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I believe I could have written at least one doctoral dissertation with the time I have spent gaming.
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I play video games about 2000 hours a year. I checked
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I've loved video games since Pong. I've played them since arcade days and quarters.
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I believe I could have written at least one doctoral dissertation with the time I have spent gaming.
But here's the thing:
You wouldn't have written that dissertation if not for gaming. If you were going to write that dissertation, you'd have done so, regardless of gaming. Chances are, without gaming you'd spend that time in the bar or watching vacuous television.
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I would personally only build a computer when I absolutely can afford and need to (need to maybe once every 4 years?) You can upgrade and sell back a bunch of parts and only spend maybe net loss of 500-600 bucks if you can ebay your stuff off well
The only computer games that I buy are the ones which I know I will be playing for awhile, too. console games have never been able to keep my attention for more than a month or two
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Cawlin posted:
Modeeb posted:
I believe I could have written at least one doctoral dissertation with the time I have spent gaming.
But here's the thing:
You wouldn't have written that dissertation if not for gaming. If you were going to write that dissertation, you'd have done so, regardless of gaming. Chances are, without gaming you'd spend that time in the bar or watching vacuous television.
You misspelled "on some New Mexico mountain taking Peyote with an Indian shaman and two female college professors with dubious doctorates."
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vn_nnanji posted:
Cawlin posted:
Modeeb posted:
I believe I could have written at least one doctoral dissertation with the time I have spent gaming.
But here's the thing:
You wouldn't have written that dissertation if not for gaming. If you were going to write that dissertation, you'd have done so, regardless of gaming. Chances are, without gaming you'd spend that time in the bar or watching vacuous television.
You misspelled "on some New Mexico mountain taking Peyote with an Indian shaman and two female college professors with dubious doctorates."
Yeah but he already DID that if we are to believe him  and he did it despite gaming, unlike this mythical dissertation...
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ineenia
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The Cost of Gaming
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Ptilk posted:
I play video games about 2000 hours a year. I checked
I remember finding the time played button in DAoC and being shocked and embarrassed...I can't remember the actual number ,I've probably blocked it..lol
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If their stupidity didn't shelter them from the full shame of their actions,their would be alot more republican suicides.
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