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After playing since release I left about 6 months ago for a little break. Logging in you could still find SW very busy and also see many folks out leveling up. I came back about a week ago in more boredom than anything and just wanted to play a little. Now it seems the game is just dead.
In the 80+ leveling areas I'm lucky to see another person out, and many other areas are just barren. Is something else out that everyone is playing or did I completely miss somthing in the last 6 months that caused everyone to leave? I know the game has kind of played itself out as it stands now, but that was even the thought 6 months ago and many more were still playing.
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Are you really surprised to see less people in the leveling areas six months later? Most people have their alts leveled up and are doing the new five mans, LFR and DS raid.
Though there has been some significant player drop off, the game is far, far from dead. This past patch was actually prety good (especially in comparison to the rest of Cataclysm).
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Are you really surprised to see less people in the leveling areas six months later?
again, yes, lol. I'm seeing maybe 15 in SW (which always had 50+ on a Saturday-not including this weekend), and people all over the different 80+ areas. I don't see a drop off, I see no one out there. It's reminiscent of when I played DAoC and pre TOA it was packed, and after it slowly declined into nothing. I just wasn't sure if there was another game out that everyone flocked to or someting else was going on.
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My main reasons for leaving was the constant "play our way or go away" attitude that came from Ghostcrawler despite steadily dropping subscription numbers that even Blizz had acknowledged, the extreme class changes that were made across the board and the level 85 dungeons.
During the first three or four years I played the game, I loved the pally class so much that I leveled several of them just for the fun of it. I would take a few months break from the game every so often then come back and level another pally. After Cata hit, I was so disgusted with the new "pally" class that I haven't played one for more then a week total since then.
I was toying around with the notion of coming back a couple of weeks ago but then GC put his foot in his mouth once again in a blog and twice answered a player's question or comment with the statement of "You're wrong. Next."
That sort of arrogance and condescension from the lead dev of Blizz reflects very badly on them. Personally, I have no interest in paying a company when that is how their lead guy responds to customer comments or complaints. Very unprofessional for such a large company.
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Blizz lost over 2 millions since Cata release, and probably lost another 2 million this last week alone (total conjecture) with the release of SWTOR. With SWTOR and Skyrim both out now, who the hell cares to play a blizzard game any longer? 
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Most will come back for the expansion I think and continue to do so in the future, provided they don't get too retarded. Ya, the panda is retarded, but its just a character class and is ultimately pointless anyways, as what matters is the overall world content. People keep focusing on the retarded panda for some reason that I don't get, but whatever.
The biggest difference for WoW's future is that Ghostcrawler has admitted that "trying to go back to hard core" was stupid, I am sure that the next expansion will be a pretty good mix of content now because of that.
For myself, the Progression and Loot System for Wrath was the peak of WoW. This could have been good, but the focus on "hardcore" just pissed me off. No, I don't want to spend 2 hours doing instances. I LIKED taking 20 minutes to run through an instance in Wrath and then grinding for Tier loot that way.
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I think you nailed it. Trying to cater to hardcores though was a "fatal" flaw on blizzard's part. They will not recover from it.
The only way the next xpac willequal past successes is if they fire ghostcrawler and make a huge public announcement about it.
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I think you nailed it. Trying to cater to hardcores though was a "fatal" flaw on blizzard's part.They will not recover from it.
The only way the next xpac will equal past successes is if they fire ghostcrawler and make a huge public announcement about it.
MMO nerds need blood, and copious amounts of it
QFT. Fire that moron already!
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I think you nailed it. Trying to cater to hardcores though was a "fatal" flaw on blizzard's part.They will not recover from it.
The only way the next xpac will equal past successes is if they fire ghostcrawler and make a huge public announcement about it.
MMO nerds need blood, and copious amounts of it
QFT. Fire that moron already!
I think that is something damn near every WoW player could agree on. Nothing like mutual hatred to unify a diverse population. 
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If they publicly announced the firing of Ghostcrawler, then uploaded a video of them throwing him off of the company campus, I would probably re-sub!
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Most will come back for the expansion I think and continue to do so in the future, provided they don't get too retarded. Ya, the panda is retarded, but its just a character class and is ultimately pointless anyways, as what matters is the overall world content. People keep focusing on the retarded panda for some reason that I don't get, but whatever.
I LIKED taking 20 minutes to run through an instance in Wrath and then grinding for Tier loot that way.
Completely agree with you on the Panda note. I have no idea why people keep fixating on that. It has zero relevance at all to world content.
As for the second point, that's what 4.3 brought us  Super quick heroics.
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If they publicly announced the firing of Ghostcrawler, then uploaded a video of them throwing him off of the company campus, I would probably re-sub!
They are so protective if him, they suspend people for criticizing him on their forum at the drop of a dime, it is like they worship the guy, so unfortunately I don't see that ever happening.
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If they publicly announced the firing of Ghostcrawler, then uploaded a video of them throwing him off of the company campus, I would probably re-sub!
THIS. IS. BLIZZARD!
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I think that video would have 10 million individual views at the same time on Youtube! haha....
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you don't see a lot of people in the zones because of the dungeon finder and bg's the quests are pretty cool the first time around though.
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It's doubtful that "one man" has ruined the franchise. Hell, you were giving him accolades here: http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/10/10/ghostcrwaler-introduced-to-blizzcon/.
Google "Kalgan", a.k.a Tom Chilton or Tigole (Jeff Kaplan) and you will find similar postings about them.
I didn't buy Cataclysm, because I felt cheated on the amount of content (only 5 levels) and their attitude of shoving Facebook integration/RealID down our throats back in July 2010. The people I work with that did purchase and play Cataclysm only did so for a couple of months. I get the feeling that a few bean counters up at the top wanted to capture the 80% that quit before level 10. So they threw in everything including the kitchen sink on 1-60 to capture new players and unfortunately, this appears not to have worked given their subscription numbers.
This year, we have a few new promising MMOs: GW2, TSW and ArcheAge. Given the lack of enthusiasm about MoP, no doubt you'll see less and less people littering the streets of Stormwind. This doesn't mean WoW dies overnight, but it will fade into the sunset as one of the most successful MMOs of all time.
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I don't know anything about those other people you mentioned. Can you let me know if they continued to push the "my way or the highway" attitude despite losing over 2 million subs? Did they twice tell a player in a public blog "You're wrong. Next."?
All I know is that, right now, GC is the "face" of Wow, since he is the lead dev and his repeated foot in mouth stunts are indeed harming the game. He's not the sole reason I left. I listed my other reasons in an earlier post. I do know that I was teetering on the edge of resubbing, saw his "you're wrong. next" comment and decided not to because of the sheer arrogance and unprofessionalism of that remark.
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Here is his lastest gem;
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Well, just have to look at this hate:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kalgan
An archive of his really old posts can be searched with his name:
http://blue.cardplace.com/search.html
It's the same old "he nerfed my class, he sucks!" arguments that have been made
ad nauseum from the beginning of WoW to now.
Firing Ghostcrawler will have very little impact on the direction of the game.
He's not controlling the direction of WoW: Activision is:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252
I think everyone is just frustrated with the direction the game is going and is looking
for the nearest target.
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1) You still in Christmas holiday and New Years, not everyone plays during this period.
2) A lot of people are probably trying out Star Wars, they will be back, that game hasn't go legs.
3) Who wants to stand around in Stormwind showing off their Barbies anyway
4) Dead, losing a million or two or three, sad to think they lost more than most games ever peak at.
5) A lot of people are coasting, after MOP means a new class/character to level.
6) Doom and gloom, doom and gloom.
fwiw, I haven't logged in while playing my 30 days of SWTOR, but after those days are up and no "miracle patch" I know what game that I will be playing.
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1) You still in Christmas holiday and New Years, not everyone plays during this period.
2) A lot of people are probably trying out Star Wars, they will be back, that game hasn't go legs.
3) Who wants to stand around in Stormwind showing off their Barbies anyway
4) Dead, losing a million or two or three, sad to think they lost more than most games ever peak at.
5) A lot of people are coasting, after MOP means a new class/character to level.
6) Doom and gloom, doom and gloom.
fwiw, I haven't logged in while playing my 30 days of SWTOR, but after those days are up and no "miracle patch" I know what game that I will be playing.
In what dimension does TOR need a 'miracle patch'?
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Gr0uch0Marx posted:
Well, just have to look at this hate:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kalgan
An archive of his really old posts can be searched with his name:
http://blue.cardplace.com/search.html
It's the same old "he nerfed my class, he sucks!" arguments that have been made
ad nauseum from the beginning of WoW to now.
Firing Ghostcrawler will have very little impact on the direction of the game.
He's not controlling the direction of WoW: Activision is:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=128252
I think everyone is just frustrated with the direction the game is going and is looking
for the nearest target.
I don't blame him, at least not *only* him, for the direction the game is going. I do blame him for his attitude and statements towards the player base. It's bad enough that changes are being made that a lot of players don't like. Then for the lead dev to make statements like "You're wrong. Next." and completely dismissing a statement from a player by calling them a troll just makes it worse.
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Let's put it this way...
If they were to fire Ghostcrawler and not change a single thing about the game it would still result in a better game and a more fun experience. He may not be the only reason the game has turned to crap but he's definitely the most visible reason.
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I don't blame him, at least not *only* him, for the direction the game is going. I do blame him for his attitude and statements towards the player base. It's bad enough that changes are being made that a lot of players don't like. Then for the lead dev to make statements like "You're wrong. Next." and completely dismissing a statement from a player by calling them a troll just makes it worse.
Sadly, many in my guild believe you are right. Scorning customers is nothing new for Blizzard.
Only, I don't blame him specifically for his attitude and statements, I blame the internal corporate culture that I believe exists at Blizzard (and the management responsible for fostering it).
You can find that attitude present before Vanilla release. And Jeff Kaplan's interview in the NYT is a perfect example (as I've said many times.) Chilton indeed continued the tradition. And Greg Street is just riding along in their wake.
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A fresh perspective, vision and direction is needed for the WoW dev team.
needs to be applied, not to just the dev team, but to the entire management chain above them, all the way up to the boardroom.
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on my server the population seems just as packed as it always was in past years over the holiday break at least. tol barad is full, stormwind is full and laggy, tons of battlegrounds up. yes the open world is dead but its been that way for a long time...partly due to the phasing nonsense.
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This thread has been around in some form since this game was released, I swear to god predicting the death of WoW is more fun to some then playing the game.
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Many maxed-up players play more sporadically - they login mainly for raids.
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Many maxed-up players play more sporadically - they login mainly for raids.
That would be me.
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blizzard is smart that way - they get people to pay for the game and barely log on. less stress on the hardware
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Evil geniuses. 
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This thread has been around in some form since this game was released, I swear to god predicting the death of WoW is more fun to some then playing the game.
That should tell you something about the game no?
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Phexx posted:
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This thread has been around in some form since this game was released, I swear to god predicting the death of WoW is more fun to some then playing the game.
That should tell you something about the game no?
No bud I think it tells you something about message boards.
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After playing since release I left about 6 months ago for a little break. Logging in you could still find SW very busy and also see many folks out leveling up. I came back about a week ago in more boredom than anything and just wanted to play a little. Now it seems the game is just dead.
In the 80+ leveling areas I'm lucky to see another person out, and many other areas are just barren. Is something else out that everyone is playing or did I completely miss somthing in the last 6 months that caused everyone to leave? I know the game has kind of played itself out as it stands now, but that was even the thought 6 months ago and many more were still playing.
Your server sucks. It's that simple.
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on my server the population seems just as packed as it always was in past years over the holiday break at least. tol barad is full, stormwind is full and laggy, tons of battlegrounds up. yes the open world is dead but its been that way for a long time...partly due to the phasing nonsense.
So what server are you playing on?
Not that we don't believe you. HAHAHAHHAHAHA ok, that's not true, I think you are totally full of shite. So for shites and giggles, what is this server you claim is so "full"? I'll look it up myself
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Spookysheep posted:
Shenron_ posted:
on my server the population seems just as packed as it always was in past years over the holiday break at least. tol barad is full, stormwind is full and laggy, tons of battlegrounds up. yes the open world is dead but its been that way for a long time...partly due to the phasing nonsense.
So what server are you playing on?
Not that we don't believe you. HAHAHAHHAHAHA ok, that's not true, I think you are totally full of shite. So for shites and giggles, what is this server you claim is so "full"? I'll look it up myself
Go on Tichondrius US Alliance. That's easily the most populated Alliance PvP server. SW is packed 24/7, TB is always active and so is DS.
You might just need to transfer to a more populated realm...
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_Swordz_ posted:
Spookysheep posted:
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on my server the population seems just as packed as it always was in past years over the holiday break at least. tol barad is full, stormwind is full and laggy, tons of battlegrounds up. yes the open world is dead but its been that way for a long time...partly due to the phasing nonsense.
So what server are you playing on?
Not that we don't believe you. HAHAHAHHAHAHA ok, that's not true, I think you are totally full of shite. So for shites and giggles, what is this server you claim is so "full"? I'll look it up myself
Go on Tichondrius US Alliance. That's easily the most populated Alliance PvP server. SW is packed 24/7, TB is always active and so is DS.
You might just need to transfer to a more populated realm...
Really? I would have guess Moonguard would be the most populated. 
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not since reckful made the move and heaps of pks followed in the hopes of pvping with him
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Spookysheep posted:
I think you nailed it. Trying to cater to hardcores though was a "fatal" flaw on blizzard's part. They will not recover from it.
The only way the next xpac willequal past successes is if they fire ghostcrawler and make a huge public announcement about it.
MMO nerds need blood, and copious amounts of it
My first post in nearly two years, just so that I can QFMFT!
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